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									<p> </p><h3 data-start="651" data-end="679"><strong data-start="655" data-end="677">Major Takeaways:</strong></h3><ul data-start="680" data-end="1023"><li data-start="680" data-end="805"><p data-start="682" data-end="805">The death of Demartravion “Trey” Reed has shaken Delta State University, leading to campus closures and widespread grief.</p></li><li data-start="806" data-end="900"><p data-start="808" data-end="900">Investigators say no foul play is currently suspected, though questions remain unanswered.</p></li><li data-start="901" data-end="1023"><p data-start="903" data-end="1023">The incident has reignited conversations about race, mental health, and institutional trust in Mississippi and beyond</p></li></ul><h2>Tragedy at Delta State: The Death of Trey Reed</h2><p>A somber mood has fallen over Delta State University in Cleveland, Mississippi, after the body of 21-year-old Demartravion “Trey” Reed was found hanging from a tree on campus Monday morning. The discovery has shocked students, staff, and communities near and far—and raised urgent questions about what really happened. </p><h3>What We Know So Far</h3><ul><li><p><strong>When and where</strong>: University police were notified at about <strong>7:05 AM</strong> that a Black male’s body was seen hanging from a tree near the pickleball courts in the central part of the Delta State campus. </p></li><li><p><strong>Who</strong>: The deceased is identified as Demartravion “Trey” Reed, a 21-year-old student from Grenada, Mississippi. </p></li><li><p><strong>Immediate institutional response</strong>: Classes and all university activities were canceled for the day, including centennial events that were planned. Delta State University President Dan Ennis expressed heartbreak and offered condolences. Counseling and support services have been made available.</p></li><li><p><strong>Investigation status</strong>: Authorities – including Delta State University police, Bolivar County Sheriff’s Office, Cleveland Police Department, and the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation – are involved. The Bolivar County Coroner has examined the body and reports seeing <strong>no broken arms or legs</strong>. As of the latest reports, no evidence of external physical trauma has been publicly confirmed. </p></li></ul><h3>What’s Unclear &amp; What People Are Asking</h3><p>This isn’t your average tragedy. Some details and public reaction underscore serious concerns:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Cause of death</strong>: Police say foul play is <em>not currently suspected</em>, leaning toward a possible suicide. But the coroner has not formally confirmed cause of death. Many want more transparency. </p></li><li><p><strong>Allegations online</strong>: Social media is swirling with claims. Some say Trey showed signs of physical violence—broken limbs, bruises. His cousin (on TikTok) claimed a more sinister scenario, alleging injury before death. So far, local officials counter that there is <em>no public evidence</em> supporting those claims. </p></li><li><p><strong>Historical context</strong>: Because Trey was Black, and because the imagery is horrifying (body on a tree), people are drawing connections to the racist history of lynching in the South. Even if authorities rule out foul play, the very form this tragedy took triggers pain, fear, and suspicion. </p></li></ul><h3>What This Means: Beyond One Campus</h3><p>Let’s talk about implications. Because this story isn’t just about Delta State. It’s about how we handle trauma, race, institutions, and trust.</p><ul><li><p><strong>Campus safety &amp; trust</strong>: When something like this happens, students need more than statements. They need honest communication, rapid updates, transparent investigations, and the assurance that their institution will protect—not gaslight—them.</p></li><li><p><strong>Mental health</strong>: If suicide is the cause (still not confirmed), there’ll need to be serious reflection on what supports were or were not in place. Stress, isolation, discrimination college life already carries burden; this incident could spotlight existing gaps.</p></li><li><p><strong>Race, symbolism, and red flags</strong>: The optics are brutal. A Black man found hanging from a tree carries historical, psychological weight for many people. Even without foul play, ignoring the<a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/trump-sends-national-guard-into-memphis-in-a-crime-crackdown-echoing-his-d-c-strategy-supporters-cite-safety-critics-warn-of-escalating-tensions-and-unchecked-power/"> symbolism</a> or dismissing community concerns will breed mistrust. Institutions must engage rather than just deny.</p></li><li><p><strong>Media &amp; social media responsibility</strong>: Videos reportedly circulated; rumors and allegations spread fast. That squares with our digital age reality, but it also shows how quickly narratives can form with little evidence. Media outlets and individuals have responsibility: avoid sensationalism, verify before broadcasting, consider the emotional cost for family and community.</p></li></ul><h3>What to Watch For Moving Forward</h3><p>Here are what I think are the key indicators we&#8217;ll need to monitor in the coming days:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Autopsy report</strong>: Time, cause, any indication of trauma, toxicology. That will shed a lot more light.</p></li><li><p><strong>Findings from all investigating bodies</strong>: Not just DSU police, but independent/x-oversight (county, state). How thorough they are will matter.</p></li><li><p><strong>Statement from Trey’s family</strong>: Their perspective, their accountability for silence or clarity. They’ll likely have more info that isn’t public.</p></li><li><p><strong>Campus reaction</strong>: Vigils, forums, student activism. Are demands being made for structural changes (mental health, campus safety, racial climate)?</p></li><li><p><strong>Policy review</strong>: What are DSU’s policies around mental health counseling, reporting of distress, campus environment for Black students? Will this event spur policy change?</p></li></ol><h3>Why Urban City Needs to Talk About It</h3><ul><li><p>This story touches <em>our core</em>: race, power, injustice. Urban folks live this history.</p></li><li><p>It’s not just Southern history—it&#8217;s ongoing. When something triggers the echoes of lynching, it forces us to ask: have things really changed?</p></li><li><p>Urban City audiences expect that we don’t let these stories slide. We need to tell the real, sometimes ugly truth, so communities know, and maybe pressure for change.</p></li></ul><h3>Final Word</h3><p>Right now, Trey Reed is gone, and that’s heartbreaking in itself. But how the aftermath is handled will echo forward—how the university responds, how the community demands accountability, whether public trust is rebuilt or further eroded. Make sure this story doesn’t become another headline everybody forgets next week. The pain, the questions, the history—all deserve full light and respect.</p><p>If you want, I can send you a press-ready version, or a version focused on the racial history angle, or even pull in similar cases for comparison. Which route do you want?</p>								</div>
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									<p> </p><p class="ds-markdown-paragraph"><strong>Major Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li><p class="ds-markdown-paragraph">The notion that <strong>all suicides are preventable</strong> is a damaging myth that can increase guilt and shame for loss survivors, as some individuals do not show clear warning signs.</p></li><li><p class="ds-markdown-paragraph"><strong>Suicide is often an impulsive act</strong>, and one of the most effective prevention strategies is creating time and space between a person in crisis and lethal means.</p></li><li><p class="ds-markdown-paragraph"><strong>Listening without judgment</strong> is one of the most powerful tools for helping someone experiencing suicidal thoughts, as it provides connection and can de-escalate a crisis.</p></li></ul><h2>Are All Suicides Preventable? Debunking Myths and Understanding the Complex Reality</h2><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="2410" data-end="6950">You&#8217;re listening to Radio Health Journal, the trusted news source for medicine, science</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="6950" data-end="7750">and technology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="8330" data-end="9790">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="10170" data-end="11830">I&#8217;m Mayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="12070" data-end="12970">And I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="13370" data-end="17150">This week, why do older drugs have so many more quality issues?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="17450" data-end="20670">If you think of most industries, you would think companies would get better, you know,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="20710" data-end="21410">through the learning curve.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="21450" data-end="24210">They would get better and better at making the products that they&#8217;re making.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="24390" data-end="27970">But in this industry, the older drugs are the drugs that have kind of run the race to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="27970" data-end="28290">the bottom.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="28290" data-end="31670">But first, are all suicides truly preventable?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="31970" data-end="35130">Not every person with thoughts of suicide shows us a sign.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="35430" data-end="38130">They might protect their loved ones and family from that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="38310" data-end="40010">They might be showing someone else a sign.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="40190" data-end="42210">And it&#8217;s quite possible there are no signs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="42670" data-end="45090">All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="48570" data-end="51190">My perfect day has sand, salt, water and friends.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="51490" data-end="54730">But my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis can take me out of the moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="55130" data-end="60430">Now I&#8217;m all in with clearer skin thanks to Sky Rizzi, Rizin Kizumab Rizza, a prescription-only</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="60430" data-end="65210">150 mg injection for adults who are candidates for systemic or phototherapy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="65650" data-end="71410">With Sky Rizzi, most people saw 90% clearer skin and many were even 100% plaque-free at</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="71410" data-end="71970">four months.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="72290" data-end="75410">Sky Rizzi is just four doses a year after two starter doses.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="76090" data-end="80710">Don&#8217;t use if allergic to Sky Rizzi, serious allergic reactions, increased infections or</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="80710" data-end="82290">lower ability to fight them may occur.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="82290" data-end="84930">Before treatment, get checked for infections and tuberculosis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="85330" data-end="87650">Tell your doctor about any flu-like symptoms or vaccines.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="88470" data-end="92510">Thanks to Sky Rizzi, there&#8217;s nothing on my skin and that means everything.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="96360" data-end="101060">Ask your doctor about Sky Rizzi, the number one dermatologist-prescribed biologic in psoriasis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="101260" data-end="105140">Visit SkyRizzi.com or call 1-866-SKYRIZZI to learn more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="115540" data-end="118820">Fall is here and signs of transition are everywhere.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="119300" data-end="122220">It&#8217;s a time when most of us feel renewed and optimistic.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="122900" data-end="125920">But September is also National Suicide Prevention Month.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="126380" data-end="128639">Unfortunately, it&#8217;s a year-round issue.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="129259" data-end="133140">During the month of April, more people take their own lives than any other time of year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="133680" data-end="138480">The myth that suicide rates reach their peak during the holidays is just that, a myth.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="138880" data-end="139800">Here&#8217;s another one.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="140180" data-end="142080">Every suicide death is preventable.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="142440" data-end="147980">In fact, no matter how well-intentioned, alert, and diligent people&#8217;s efforts may be, there&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="147980" data-end="152840">no way of preventing all suicides from occurring, as stated by the Nevada Division of Public</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="152840" data-end="155380">and Behavioral Health Office of Suicide Prevention.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="156000" data-end="163160">We strive for 100% suicide prevention, but people are complex, hence suicide prevention</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="163160" data-end="164520">is equally complex.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="165180" data-end="167980">We don&#8217;t know always those signs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="168200" data-end="172940">We aren&#8217;t always aware of those signs, but also not every person with thoughts of suicide</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="172940" data-end="174580">shows us a sign.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="174580" data-end="177720">They might protect their loved ones and family from that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="177880" data-end="182320">They might be showing someone else a sign, and it&#8217;s quite possible there are no signs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="182600" data-end="184100">I do believe that is rare.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="184960" data-end="190500">Most people do show some indication that they&#8217;re struggling and having thoughts of suicide</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="191140" data-end="193900">or struggling with other mental health concerns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="194320" data-end="198460">That&#8217;s Misty Vaughn-Allen, Suicide Prevention Coordinator with the state of Nevada in the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="198460" data-end="200280">Division of Public and Behavioral Health.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="200760" data-end="205340">She says the notion that all suicides can be prevented is hurtful and inaccurate.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="206120" data-end="211980">In 2022, the CDC recorded almost 50,000 deaths by suicide in the U.S., so it&#8217;s an important</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="211980" data-end="215240">distinction to make, especially for suicide loss survivors.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="215840" data-end="221200">Yes, suicide prevention is a great thing, and I&#8217;m glad to see the new hotline number</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="221200" data-end="227640">and all of the good work that American Foundation for Suicide Prevention is doing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="228060" data-end="235260">I would argue that not all suicides are preventable, and perhaps I say that because my daughter&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="235260" data-end="236960">wasn&#8217;t and I wasn&#8217;t able to.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237280" data-end="242740">So maybe I&#8217;m being defensive about it, but I&#8217;ve talked to many other parents who bristle</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="242740" data-end="243680">at the idea.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="244320" data-end="249900">That&#8217;s Eileen Vorbach-Collins, author of Love in the Archives, a patchwork of true stories</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="249900" data-end="251200">about suicide loss.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="251680" data-end="255180">Her daughter, Lydia, took her own life 24 years ago.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="255740" data-end="257459">Lydia was 15 years old.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="257920" data-end="264600">Certainly, my daughter had mental health issues and had her own clinical diagnoses and was</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="264600" data-end="270340">hospitalized. And it wasn&#8217;t that I didn&#8217;t see what we like to call the signs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="271060" data-end="275860">And that&#8217;s one of the issues I have with the whole idea of getting on the prevention</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="275860" data-end="281740">bandwagon.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="275860" data-end="281740">Certainly, we all want to see suicide prevention, and I&#8217;m certain that it does</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="281740" data-end="282700">work to a degree.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="283320" data-end="289460">It&#8217;s when I hear that all suicides are preventable that it makes me bristle because they</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="289460" data-end="291800">are not. You know, I worked in mental health.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="292140" data-end="293480">I knew the signs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="293680" data-end="300640">My daughter exhibited many of them, was hospitalized, had a therapist, was medicated for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="300640" data-end="306660">a while. But at some point, you cannot watch a child 24 hours a day.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="306960" data-end="311820">As a parent, Collins suffered the common stigma of shame and guilt after Lydia&#8217;s death.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="311820" data-end="314140">Had she done enough to protect her daughter?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="314700" data-end="316720">Could she have prevented Lydia&#8217;s suicide?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="317340" data-end="321540">Collins sought help from other suicide loss survivors through various support groups.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="321840" data-end="328660">If it hadn&#8217;t been for some of these survivor groups, I don&#8217;t know how I would have</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="328660" data-end="333920">managed.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="328660" data-end="333920">I absolutely needed to find other people who had gone through this.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="334450" data-end="342480">I have so many people in my life because of these support groups who have felt the same</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="342480" data-end="346660">and I&#8217;m able to look at them and say, no, this wasn&#8217;t your fault.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="346960" data-end="348500">You know, you did what you could do.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="349120" data-end="352260">And then finally being able to tell myself that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="352740" data-end="356940">In addition to the myth of prevention, Collins says another misleading idea is that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="356940" data-end="358840">suicide is always a selfish act.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="359060" data-end="360960">I never thought of it that way.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="360960" data-end="364840">I thought of it as she tried so hard.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="365520" data-end="371680">And when I read her journals, when I read her journals, she fought it for a long time, as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="371680" data-end="372720">young as she was.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="372960" data-end="375760">And I hear this from many other parents.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="376300" data-end="378540">It&#8217;s not like they did this to hurt us.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="378840" data-end="382200">They did it because they couldn&#8217;t take the pain anymore.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="382740" data-end="386980">Rick Strait is the Substance Use Division Director and Suicide Prevention Coordinator for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="386980" data-end="389420">the Community Counseling Center in Southeast Missouri.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="389880" data-end="392160">He&#8217;s also a suicide attempt survivor.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="392540" data-end="394700">I struggled with depression my whole life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="395220" data-end="398360">Growing up as a child, didn&#8217;t know it was depression at the time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="398680" data-end="400880">And then I lost my brother in a car accident.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="401460" data-end="406560">And that took that grief, that spiraled the depression to the point that I felt completely</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="406560" data-end="409440">alone. In retrospect, I know I wasn&#8217;t alone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="409560" data-end="414900">I had parents that were also hurting, but I felt like I had to not let them know I was</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="414900" data-end="416580">hurting. That way I could be supportive of them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="417080" data-end="419180">I had a wife at the time and I had a newborn baby.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="419180" data-end="421140">And I was in the military at the time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="421240" data-end="426280">So I had a lot of friends that are my squadron that I, you know, so I knew like looking</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="426280" data-end="431120">back, I had so many people in my corner, but I just felt like I wasn&#8217;t.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="431180" data-end="432320">I felt like it was just me.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="432980" data-end="435460">Fortunately, Strait&#8217;s mom interrupted his attempt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="436140" data-end="440760">Though he was initially angry, Strait quickly realized how grateful he was to be alive.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="441220" data-end="442180">Yes, I was glad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="442520" data-end="446400">But I still struggle with depression and suicidal thoughts for many, many more years.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="446400" data-end="450680">But after the attempt, though, I kind of made a promise myself that I wouldn&#8217;t attempt</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="450680" data-end="454420">again because I realized how it was going to impact my wife at the time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="455100" data-end="458440">And so I tried to make that promise myself that it would never happen again.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="459060" data-end="462720">Strait says he eventually learned how to talk about his feelings, though it took a long</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="462720" data-end="463940">time to be comfortable with.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="464420" data-end="468120">And when he met with other suicide attempt survivors, he realized that so many more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="468120" data-end="470340">people struggle with these thoughts than just him.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="470800" data-end="474980">Because that was one of the worst feelings about when I was having thoughts of suicide</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="474980" data-end="479320">is I really thought that nobody else would ever understand that there&#8217;s nobody else has</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="479320" data-end="480480">ever been through this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="481060" data-end="484980">And so as I learned over the years that there are so many people have been through this.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="485320" data-end="487180">So many people have lost people to suicide.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="487380" data-end="489300">So many people have made attempts and lived.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="489680" data-end="493180">And then so many people are struggling with those thoughts and never act on them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="493660" data-end="499140">And so even though I&#8217;m not glad that they struggled also, it was kind of a lightning</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="499140" data-end="501760">effect for me when I realized, OK, I&#8217;m not alone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="501860" data-end="504660">This isn&#8217;t some just messed up brick thing.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="504660" data-end="506440">This is this happens.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="506980" data-end="510800">And, you know, the more I learn and how often it happens, it has helped me feel kind of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="510800" data-end="514100">normal. And then eventually I got some counseling and some help to get through the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="514100" data-end="518039">depression.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="514100" data-end="518039">Today, Strait is doing well, but he still has bad days.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="518500" data-end="521840">The difference is that he talks about his feelings with his family and friends to let</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="521840" data-end="522919">them know when he&#8217;s struggling.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="523440" data-end="527180">We don&#8217;t have to spend much time dwelling on it, but it keeps those thoughts from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="527180" data-end="529060">festering and becoming more intense.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="529520" data-end="533420">Von Allen says many people live with ongoing thoughts of suicide on a daily basis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="534020" data-end="537340">Thankfully, a lot of them have found successful coping strategies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="537860" data-end="542200">There are many people with persistent thoughts of suicide, and they live and work with</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="542200" data-end="544540">us and keep themselves safe.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="544880" data-end="549660">When their thoughts start to escalate towards suicide, they have a safety plan that they</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="549660" data-end="552780">need to work. And that could be reaching out to a hotline.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="552860" data-end="554660">It could be walking the dog.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="554740" data-end="556460">It could be talking to your support system.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556980" data-end="559980">Research shows that suicide attempts are often impulsive.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="560500" data-end="564920">A person might deliberate for five minutes or less after having suicidal thoughts before</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="564920" data-end="568400">taking action.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="564920" data-end="568400">It is one of the most preventable forms of death.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="568640" data-end="574880">It is. But again, we aren&#8217;t always given the gift of time and those signs within that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="574880" data-end="580200">time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="574880" data-end="580200">There are certain people who might have an event occur that activates thoughts of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="580200" data-end="583780">suicide and lethal means are readily accessible.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="584320" data-end="588920">One of the most proven prevention strategies we can implement is giving that person</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="588920" data-end="593900">with thoughts of suicide space and time away from that lethal means, be it medication,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="594180" data-end="595020">be it a firearm.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="595420" data-end="596680">We give them space and time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="596960" data-end="598040">Often they can deescalate.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="598440" data-end="601420">They can reach out for help or someone can intervene.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="602180" data-end="604400">So that&#8217;s really a crucial element here.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604780" data-end="606700">But we don&#8217;t always get that opportunity.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="607480" data-end="611700">And as suicide rates continue to rise, Von Allen says that prevention is crucial.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="612420" data-end="615600">However, there&#8217;s always more to learn, especially from people like Strait.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="615600" data-end="621780">Those who survive their own attempts of suicide teach us how to be better at the work we do</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="621780" data-end="627260">with prevention. Under our best efforts and our most diligent work, we can still lose</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="627260" data-end="628800">someone that we&#8217;re trying to help.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="629300" data-end="632280">But the better we get, the stronger our safety net will become.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="632720" data-end="637180">If anyone listening to this program is feeling depressed or having suicidal thoughts, you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="637180" data-end="640940">can dial or text 988 from anywhere in the country.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="641460" data-end="645580">Sometimes just talking to somebody that you know that cares and can help listen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="645740" data-end="649240">And sometimes it can be enough on its own and they get a trained person.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="649540" data-end="652480">They can ask them some questions and just be there for a conversation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="653260" data-end="657080">And then most states also have, you know, walk in mental health clinics as well.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="657480" data-end="662340">I know in Missouri, every county has a Department of Mental Health funded place where</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="662340" data-end="665900">they people can walk in and they can talk to somebody every day, any day.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="666240" data-end="669840">And if someone you know is depressed or has shared that they&#8217;ve been having suicidal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="669840" data-end="673620">thoughts, STRAIGHT says it&#8217;s important to be a listening ear for them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="673940" data-end="677740">If we can have compassion and listening and ask them questions and then just be present,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="678080" data-end="680360">even if we know it&#8217;s a suicidal crisis or not.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="680440" data-end="682880">So let&#8217;s say there is a teenager that brings that to them.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="683240" data-end="688380">Just being there and being in that moment and tell me what&#8217;s going on and then truly</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="688380" data-end="693360">listening. And as a parent myself, it&#8217;s hard not to try to fix right away.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="693680" data-end="696480">We want to go into problem solving and tell all things are going right.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="696480" data-end="700560">Just listen and kind of shut that parent mode off for a second and just, you know, the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="700560" data-end="701860">writing reflex and just listen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="702400" data-end="705560">I think that&#8217;s one of the most powerful things we can do, whether it be any type of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="705560" data-end="709840">mental health thing, whether it be just a bad day and no suicidal crisis or somebody</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="709840" data-end="710980">that&#8217;s having suicidal thoughts.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="711160" data-end="714560">If we can just take a few minutes and just truly listen to what they&#8217;re saying and not</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="714560" data-end="715320">jump to conclusions.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="716020" data-end="720600">Collins book Love in the Archives, a patchwork of true stories about suicide loss is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="720600" data-end="723460">available now online and wherever books are sold.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="723920" data-end="728020">You can learn more about suicide prevention and all of our guests on our website,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="728880" data-end="730080">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="730660" data-end="735240">For more behind the scenes, follow Radio Health Journal on Facebook, Instagram and X.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="735680" data-end="740360">The segment originally aired in April of 2024 and was written and produced by Polly</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="740360" data-end="743100">Hanson. Our lead producer is Kristen Farah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="743240" data-end="745280">Our executive producer is Amir Zaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="745740" data-end="746800">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="753100" data-end="755940">Coming up, are your prescription drugs safe?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="756400" data-end="757820">When Radio Health Journal returns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="761520" data-end="765300">Hey, mom, I&#8217;ve been meaning to talk to you about some new COVID information I saw</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="765300" data-end="770420">online. I read that black folks like us with certain conditions like diabetes, heart</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="770420" data-end="775040">disease, mental health conditions or being 50 and older like you are at high risk.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="775200" data-end="776720">Boy, you sound like a commercial.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="777000" data-end="780420">I&#8217;m just saying. I know you love your ginger teas and essential oils.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780660" data-end="782960">But remember, there are treatment options for COVID-19.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="782960" data-end="787300">I promise if I get sick again, I&#8217;ll call my doctor to ask about my options.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="787540" data-end="790200">Visit WeTalkWeRise.com to learn more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="790440" data-end="791320">Brought to you by Pfizer.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="791780" data-end="795660">Moms and dads, do you wish you could know where your kids shoes are at all times?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="795920" data-end="800940">Now you can with Skechers&#8217; newest Apple AirTag compatible sneakers, Find My Skechers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="801160" data-end="804440">There&#8217;s a clever hidden AirTag compartment under the shoes insole.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="804680" data-end="807660">It&#8217;s sleek, secure and your child can&#8217;t feel or see it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="807920" data-end="811040">Then you can check where your kids shoes are on the Find My app.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="811040" data-end="813320">Plus, they&#8217;re available for boys and girls.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="813760" data-end="818500">Get Find My Skechers at Skechers.com, a Skechers store near you or wherever kids</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="818500" data-end="821080">shoes are sold.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="818500" data-end="821080">Apple AirTag sold separately.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="828230" data-end="832490">Whether you have a chronic condition or periodic headaches, the quality of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="832490" data-end="834510">pharmaceuticals affects every American.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="835190" data-end="839390">To ensure a stellar end product, every step of the process must be held to a high</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="839390" data-end="841650">standard from ingredient sourcing to labeling.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="842210" data-end="845950">These guidelines are called the Current Good Manufacturing Practice Regulations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="846710" data-end="851110">The FDA uses them to guarantee accurate design, monitoring and control of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="851110" data-end="855490">manufacturing processes and facilities so that every product is safe and reliable.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="855910" data-end="860110">The good manufacturing practices, the GMPs, as the FDA calls them, were written</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="860110" data-end="865850">explicitly to ensure consistently high quality drugs leaving facilities.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="866010" data-end="871170">So the FDA chose to, a long time ago, to manage quality through the process versus</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="871170" data-end="873350">the products. They don&#8217;t do a lot of product testing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="873830" data-end="878030">Instead, they go and inspect the process both before they approve a facility to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="878030" data-end="881110">produce a drug and then ongoing, supposed to be about every two years.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="881570" data-end="885330">That&#8217;s John Gray, a Dean&#8217;s Distinguished Professor of Operations and Business</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="885330" data-end="887350">Analytics at The Ohio State University.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="887930" data-end="892750">Despite the FDA&#8217;s oversight, there&#8217;s been various reports of GMP violations at</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="892750" data-end="893790">facilities in India.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="894490" data-end="899650">In fact, a 2019 book by Catherine Ebon exposed Indian generic drug companies for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="899650" data-end="903490">purposefully deceiving and defrauding customers with low quality products.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="904090" data-end="908530">However, Gray says many of the violations aren&#8217;t officially recorded, partly</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="908530" data-end="911310">because it&#8217;s extremely difficult to access the data.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="911890" data-end="915730">The pharmaceutical industry is notoriously private when it comes to where their</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="915730" data-end="919370">drugs are produced, and they&#8217;re not required to disclose that information to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="919370" data-end="925690">consumers. I believe that it does serve some in the industry well to have a lack</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="925690" data-end="932930">of transparency and to have all consumers and providers believe that there is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="932930" data-end="937250">absolutely no difference between all of the possible generic drugs they might take</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="937250" data-end="938230">for a given condition.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="938350" data-end="942030">There&#8217;s not supposed to be a difference, but just like with any other industry,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="942370" data-end="943670">things fall through the cracks.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="944190" data-end="948570">But when quality drops in this business, it can be life or death for consumers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="949330" data-end="953170">Gray and his team stumbled across a goldmine of information that helped them piece</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="953170" data-end="956110">together data that&#8217;s often kept hidden from researchers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="956470" data-end="961510">We were actually working on a grant with the FDA at that time and kind of got a hint</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="961510" data-end="966490">that, hey, there&#8217;s a California law that requires drug companies to put the facility</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="966490" data-end="968710">in their label. Go kind of look that way.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="968930" data-end="973050">And we found the law, but still that didn&#8217;t make it obvious as to how to go about to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="973050" data-end="977510">do this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="973050" data-end="977510">Thankfully, Gray&#8217;s PhD student was able to dig through a bunch of labels on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="977510" data-end="981810">DailyMed, the National Library of Medicine&#8217;s database of the most recent labeling.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="982410" data-end="986510">But unlike the nutrition information on the side of a cereal box, the labeling for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="986510" data-end="991610">prescription drugs are each 20, 30, even 40 pages long for one product.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="992210" data-end="995910">Gray says many of them identify their manufacturers through a Dunn&#8217;s number, which</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="995910" data-end="999510">is a unique business tag created by the credit bureau Dunn and Bradstreet.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="999670" data-end="1002730">It&#8217;s a number that if you subscribe or your library subscribes to the database, you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1002730" data-end="1005090">can type it in and then it will give you the facility information.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1005810" data-end="1010850">And that was structured in a way that he was able to automatically extract more than</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1010850" data-end="1012550">half of the drugs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1012630" data-end="1016010">He was able to find where the production was located and then through a little more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1016010" data-end="1017770">manual effort was able to get a higher percentage.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1018330" data-end="1022910">It wasn&#8217;t 100 percent, but this novel source of data gave them much more than other</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1022910" data-end="1024430">researchers have had access to.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1025250" data-end="1029450">Gray and his team used this information to compare the number of serious adverse events</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1029450" data-end="1032670">caused by generic prescription drugs made in different locations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1033630" data-end="1038349">While various American facilities have had issues with GMP compliance, Gray&#8217;s analysis</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1038349" data-end="1043050">published in the journal Production and Operations Management reveals that the same</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1043050" data-end="1046450">drugs coming out of India seem to be much riskier for consumers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1046990" data-end="1048550">The adverse events data is messy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1049130" data-end="1053370">And so we&#8217;re and then this is a model predicted number.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1053510" data-end="1057650">But the number we quote in the paper is about a 50 percent higher incidence of adverse</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1057650" data-end="1062670">events than if it coming from the same drug from India, controlling for volume, most</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1062670" data-end="1067890">importantly, but also controlling for other facility and drug characteristics compared</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1067890" data-end="1071790">to, again, the exact same active ingredient dosage form and route of administration from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1071790" data-end="1072950">a domestically produced drug.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1073010" data-end="1077270">So that&#8217;s kind of the kind of valid number, most carefully constructed numbers, about</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1077270" data-end="1078290">that 50 percent higher.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1079010" data-end="1081750">We if you read the paper closely, we put a lot of cautions around that because, again,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1081770" data-end="1083270">the adverse events database is messy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1083410" data-end="1088370">The FDA cautions against using its adverse events reporting system as a sole indicator</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1088370" data-end="1091510">of drug quality because the reports haven&#8217;t been medically verified.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1092350" data-end="1097150">However, the FDA does use this same database as a tool for postmarket surveillance to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1097150" data-end="1098770">identify drug safety issues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1099390" data-end="1102430">Interestingly, this data was able to reveal an interesting pattern.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1102910" data-end="1106870">Most of the serious adverse events could be linked back to older drugs.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1107330" data-end="1110530">If you look at the drugs, the newer generic drugs, there actually wasn&#8217;t a statistically</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1110530" data-end="1113970">significant difference, whereas for the drugs that were older than the median, which was</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1113970" data-end="1117550">about eight years, that was really where the result was coming from.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1117910" data-end="1121390">And that&#8217;s kind of interesting, because if you think of most industries, you would think</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1121390" data-end="1123450">companies would get better through the learning curve.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1123510" data-end="1126690">They would get better and better at making the products that they&#8217;re making.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1127150" data-end="1130930">But in this industry, the older drugs, the drugs that have kind of run the race to the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1130930" data-end="1135590">bottom. With so much secrecy within the industry, Gray says the buyers purchasing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1135590" data-end="1138750">decisions are limited mostly to which product is cheapest.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1139450" data-end="1143950">And since all generic drug manufacturers are required to use the same active ingredients,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1144290" data-end="1148890">dosage form and route of administration as the name brand, it seems like a win-win.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1149450" data-end="1153250">That is, until manufacturers stop adhering to the GMP regulations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1153930" data-end="1158650">Gray&#8217;s best guess as to why the pharmaceutical industry&#8217;s trends drastically differ from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1158650" data-end="1159570">others is simple.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1160210" data-end="1165730">Money.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1160210" data-end="1165730">It&#8217;s cheaper to not fully comply with GMPs, which means more competitive pricing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1165730" data-end="1167070">and higher profit margins.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1167650" data-end="1171550">The FDA does have inspections to make sure all facilities are up to code.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1171790" data-end="1176330">But while domestic inspections are unannounced, they&#8217;ve historically given advance notice</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1176330" data-end="1177250">to foreign facilities.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1177590" data-end="1179130">That&#8217;s quite a different environment, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1179150" data-end="1182550">If you&#8217;re going to get a few months notice that the FDA might be coming or is going to be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1182550" data-end="1188290">coming, say, in three months from now, you have time to kind of clean things up a little</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1188290" data-end="1192030">bit. And if you know the exact date they&#8217;re coming, you have time to even have the right</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1192030" data-end="1195990">employees at the facility that will answer the questions well and the best trained</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1195990" data-end="1197150">employees and things like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1197190" data-end="1198410">Because the FDA inspections are quite thorough.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1198530" data-end="1200550">I mean, the FDA comes in and talks to employees on the floor.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1200990" data-end="1204950">They look at records, they get into the computer systems, but you have time to clean that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1204950" data-end="1208630">up. Whereas if they just show up unannounced and then they have the right to enter the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1208630" data-end="1211350">facility immediately, you&#8217;re just caught in your normal state.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1212050" data-end="1217050">And so these pre-announced inspections allow the normal state maybe to be a little less</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217050" data-end="1221710">than ideal. And then when the inspector arrives for you to be a little above your normal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1221710" data-end="1225050">state and maybe not be forced then to fix problems because maybe they&#8217;re not detected.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1225430" data-end="1230450">Earlier this year, the FDA recently announced plans to expand its surprise inspections to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230450" data-end="1234830">foreign facilities that produce food, drugs and medical products for American consumers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1235530" data-end="1239890">Additionally, investigators will no longer be able to accept travel accommodations from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1239890" data-end="1241410">regulated industry members.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1241950" data-end="1246070">While it&#8217;s unclear when this plan will go into effect, it&#8217;s a big step towards solving</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1246070" data-end="1247350">these drug quality issues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1247910" data-end="1251770">Gray says another important shift would be increasing the transparency so that buyers</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1251770" data-end="1253810">know where their products are being made.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1254050" data-end="1259390">We prefer location and quality transparency because we don&#8217;t want, if we just do</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1259390" data-end="1264470">location transparency, there would be a bias or tendency toward domestic manufacturing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1264970" data-end="1267630">and maybe a bias against India and China specifically.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1267630" data-end="1270430">But there are good manufacturers in India and China.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1270750" data-end="1275290">And so if we do location and quality transparency, now a valid and reliable quality</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1275290" data-end="1276450">metric needs to be created.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1277050" data-end="1280610">The FDA probably has a reasonable one, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re going to release it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1281150" data-end="1285050">And then a high quality Indian manufacturer could still compete and a low quality</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1285050" data-end="1286890">domestic manufacturer would be challenged.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1287110" data-end="1291770">And so we could still have this global supply chain, which I think is necessary and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1291770" data-end="1298870">appropriate, but we would not have this cost only buying practice and this race to the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1298870" data-end="1299750">bottom being run.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1299970" data-end="1304610">However, Gray mentions that it&#8217;ll be hard to create true change without some reform on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1304610" data-end="1305610">the buyer side.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1306290" data-end="1309110">In pharmaceuticals, the buyers aren&#8217;t the consumers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1309730" data-end="1314430">They&#8217;re often pharmacy benefit managers or PBMs who are negotiating and purchasing on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1314430" data-end="1316510">behalf of pharmacies and insurance companies.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1316870" data-end="1321170">The consumers or the doctors might notice where the drugs are located or that they&#8217;re a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1321170" data-end="1324310">four star rated drug instead of a five star rated drug or something like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1324890" data-end="1329410">But it&#8217;ll be difficult for them to do anything if their insurance company only covers these</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1329410" data-end="1331550">two NDCs for this treatment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1332570" data-end="1335610">And so a bigger thing is some and it&#8217;s a harder thing.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1335790" data-end="1337190">You know, transparency is relatively easy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1337510" data-end="1340610">It would be easy to write down the mandate for transparency.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1340630" data-end="1342510">I&#8217;m not saying be easy to implement, but it&#8217;s easy to imagine.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1342590" data-end="1344870">Right. It&#8217;s easy to imagine doing on and out inspections.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345010" data-end="1346550">We&#8217;ve already done pilots.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345010" data-end="1346550">We know how to do it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1346550" data-end="1351710">But fixing the middle of the pharmaceutical supply chain between the manufacturers and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1351710" data-end="1353830">the consumers is pretty hard.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1354030" data-end="1356470">There&#8217;s really powerful entities in the middle there.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1356950" data-end="1360850">He&#8217;s not saying it&#8217;s impossible, but it&#8217;ll require some elbow grease to get to the real</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1360850" data-end="1362870">change that&#8217;ll help American consumers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1363470" data-end="1367370">You can find more information about John Gray and all of our guests on our website,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1367670" data-end="1368990">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1369530" data-end="1373630">For more behind the scenes, follow Radio Health Journal on Facebook, Instagram and X.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1374070" data-end="1375910">Our writer producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1376190" data-end="1377910">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1378370" data-end="1379090">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1384170" data-end="1386930">Radio Health Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1388490" data-end="1392030">You know, that big bargain detergent jug is 80 percent water, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1392170" data-end="1393310">It doesn&#8217;t clean as well.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1393590" data-end="1394570">80 percent water?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1394790" data-end="1397550">I thought I was getting a better deal because it&#8217;s so big.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1397750" data-end="1400910">If you want a better clean, Tide Pods are only 12 percent water.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1401110" data-end="1403670">The rest is pure, concentrated cleaning ingredients.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1403670" data-end="1405590">Oh, let me make an announcement.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1406670" data-end="1410530">Attention shoppers, if you want a real deal, try Tide Pods.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1410650" data-end="1412570">Stop paying for watered down detergents.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1412790" data-end="1413410">Pay for clean.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1413690" data-end="1416110">If it&#8217;s got to be clean, it&#8217;s got to be Tide Pods.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416350" data-end="1418310">Water content based on the leading bargain liquid detergent.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1418970" data-end="1424110">Switching to Progressive is a game winning call, and that reminds us of other game</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1424110" data-end="1425930">winning calls in the history of sports.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1426330" data-end="1429710">It was a doubleheader in August and really hot inside the concession stand.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1430090" data-end="1433070">So instead of waiting for people to come to me, I figured I&#8217;d walk around yelling,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1433070" data-end="1434210">hot dogs here.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1434670" data-end="1437330">And that&#8217;s how I became the first hot dog vendor in sports.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1438050" data-end="1441470">OK, not really a game winning call, but it was a good call.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1441810" data-end="1444910">You can make one to switch to Progressive and you could save hundreds.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1445810" data-end="1448370">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates not available in all states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1448590" data-end="1452330">Do Crohn&#8217;s disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms keep coming back?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1453430" data-end="1457850">Tremphaya, gaselkomab may help with rapid remission achieved at 12 weeks and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1457850" data-end="1459910">lasting clinical remission at one year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1460510" data-end="1464950">Some even saw visible improvement of their intestinal lining at 12 weeks and one year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1465410" data-end="1468670">Tremphaya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1468670" data-end="1472370">severely active Crohn&#8217;s disease and adults with moderately to severely active</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1472370" data-end="1473310">ulcerative colitis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1473730" data-end="1477210">Serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections and liver problems may</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1477210" data-end="1480190">occur. Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480190" data-end="1484090">tuberculosis.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480190" data-end="1484090">Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu like symptoms, or if</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484090" data-end="1487230">you need a vaccine. Healing is possible with Tremphaya.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1487750" data-end="1491270">Approximately three out of 10 patients were in endoscopic remission at one year</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1491270" data-end="1495250">based on areas visualized on colonoscopy, which may not represent the deeper bowel</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1495250" data-end="1496790">layer or entire GI tract.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1497090" data-end="1498390">Individual results may vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1498670" data-end="1500350">Ask your doctor about Tremphaya today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1500950" data-end="1506990">Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit TremphayaRadio.com.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1511210" data-end="1512830">Medical Notes this week.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513450" data-end="1516670">Why are weight loss drugs so difficult to take long term?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1517290" data-end="1521750">GLP-1 medications help suppress a person&#8217;s appetite, but the various side effects</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1521750" data-end="1525830">like vomiting and nausea cause a majority of patients to stop using the drugs</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1525830" data-end="1530550">within a year. Now, a research team has found a new brain region to target that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1530550" data-end="1533070">won&#8217;t cause these gastrointestinal symptoms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1533650" data-end="1537470">When tested in mice, the injection helped the animals lose weight without negative</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1537470" data-end="1541130">side effects.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1537470" data-end="1541130">The study is published in the journal Science Translational</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1541130" data-end="1544970">Medicine. Alcoholism doesn&#8217;t just affect one person.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1545390" data-end="1549590">New research in the journal Aging and Disease shows that paternal drinking habits</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1549590" data-end="1552990">before conception can negatively affect fetal development.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1553710" data-end="1558290">It can also cause symptoms of early aging in kids, even when consuming the legal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1558290" data-end="1562410">limit. And the effects continue to worsen if both parents drink.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1563090" data-end="1566910">And finally, fix your bad knees without surgery.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1567670" data-end="1571670">Osteoarthritis is a leading cause of adult disability, and there&#8217;s no way to reverse</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1571670" data-end="1576390">the damage. However, scientists have found that making a small adjustment to how</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1576390" data-end="1579810">someone walks can cause the same amount of relief as medication.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1580350" data-end="1582990">It also reduces cartilage damage in the knee.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1583410" data-end="1585790">The study is published in The Lancet Rheumatology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1586510" data-end="1588270">And that&#8217;s medical notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1588630" data-end="1590190">I&#8217;m Maayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1590530" data-end="1594230">I can&#8217;t believe how spotless my floors look after using the Swiffer Power Mop.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1594530" data-end="1596990">No more dragging around a heavy mop and messy bucket.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1597370" data-end="1599750">Now I get the same deep clean without all the work.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1599750" data-end="1604230">Thanks to the powerful solution and scrubbing pad of the Swiffer Power Mop, dirt and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1604230" data-end="1606750">grime don&#8217;t stand a chance and I don&#8217;t break a sweat.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1607250" data-end="1610090">Mic drop. I mean mop drop.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1614330" data-end="1617210">A smarter way to mop. Try it or your money back.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1618550" data-end="1620110">Oh, how&#8217;s that flu, babe?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1620350" data-end="1622050">Did you take Dayquil Intense Flu yet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1622590" data-end="1624290">Nah, I got this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1625410" data-end="1627150">OK, I don&#8217;t got this.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1627830" data-end="1630570">You stay on the couch and I&#8217;ll grab the Dayquil.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1630990" data-end="1633490">Undo your flu symptoms with Dayquil Intense Flu.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1633710" data-end="1636930">Dayquil Intense Flu provides powerful relief of your flu symptoms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1637270" data-end="1638930">I&#8217;m ready for that to-do list.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1639090" data-end="1640490">Wow, you do got this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1640970" data-end="1642030">Dayquil Intense Flu.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1642270" data-end="1645350">The daytime coughing, aching, aching fever under your flu medicine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1645750" data-end="1647070">Use as directed.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1645750" data-end="1647070">Keep out of reach of children.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1649930" data-end="1654130">Thank you for joining us this week and every week as we break down the science stories you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1654130" data-end="1657130">need to know. You can find all of our past segments and guests on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1657130" data-end="1661610">our website, RadioHealthJournal.org or wherever you listen to <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/articulation-radio-show203-your-kidney-can-save-lives-interview-w-phillip-marley/">podcasts</a>.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1661970" data-end="1666330">Follow us on Instagram, Facebook and X for daily content and tune in next week for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1666330" data-end="1668390">another edition of Radio Health Journal.</span></span></p>								</div>
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