Wire Fraud, Mega Investors, and Rental Realities: Inside Today’s Real Estate Market

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All right. are normally we have three guests but uh

had some screw-ups. So we have just us, huh? Just just us. The two James’s.

Nice. There we go. Yeah. So couple James. We we can do this. We can do this.

We got it. Um let’s see. Why don’t you uh kind of give

people an idea of what you do? You know, share your background. Types of investing you do.

Yeah. So my name is James Mitchner. I’m here in Prescuit, Arizona, which is about an hour and a half north of uh

Phoenix. Been selling real estate for over a decade, going on my 13th year

here. And uh right now I uh run a real estate team of six agents. Uh we sell

about two to 300 homes a year, which is pretty cool. I do about 50 to 100 of

those. I back down from I used to do 150 a year just by myself. And uh so now I

have that uh real estate portfolio portfolio of those 35 uh rental properties, half of which are paid off,

which is amazing. And uh do some private money loans and uh fix and flips, which

I got four of those going. And uh um a little bit of wholesale as well. So got

a little wholesale group. Um and then got a beautiful little family, which I absolutely adore. And uh yeah, real

estate is uh not for me, it’s not a job. It’s like I would say it’s a hobby. It’s something I enjoy at this point in time.

So yeah, excited to be on the show as always with with you guys. Yeah, man. That’s that’s a good spot to

be in. Yeah, it’s beautiful, man. My uh buddy said, “Hey, fill out this

PFS for me, the personal financial statement.” And I was like, “Okay, because him and I do loans together.”

And he emailed me back. He’s like, “Dude, you’re in such a good spot.” Because he’s about 50 and I’m 37. and

he’s like, “Man, you have just done so well.” Which I’m super I know that, but sometimes it’s hard for me. My goalpost

is always moving, you know? Yeah, I hear. Um, and it’s hard for me to like really realize. I want to get to the 50 grand

mark a month in passive income, which I would feel pretty good about. I’m a little over 30 right now. Um, so yeah,

it’s good. But, uh, I really enjoy helping people. I like to be um my new

uh title is called janitor because I have to clean up stuff all the time and make stuff neat and tidy and yeah sub

So anyways, yeah. Yeah. Um, but that’s what real estate is, you

know, it’s always been really big challenge and I think that’s one of the things I like is it’s not sure it could

be the same thing over and over again. Like a lot of people could see it that way, but through my lens like there’s

different people, there’s different properties, there’s different scenarios, there’s just always something new that’s

coming up, right? So, it’s always keeping me on my toes. I don’t really have time to get bored. Um,

and now one of the biggest things that occupies my mind is how do I mix in my work with my family and my own personal

time, you know. So, yeah, that’s been an adventure in itself as well. So, yeah.

Yeah, finding a balance is tough. It is. And it doesn’t when we love what

we do, we get excited and it’s it’s fresh. Yeah, it doesn’t feel like work, but then

you’re like, maybe like I love dirt biking and kite boarding and like like I

need to go do that stuff, too. Like that’s good for my soul. Clear my head, you know. Well, you like uh snowboarding, too,

right? I see your snowboard back there. Oh, yeah. Yep. Where are you at? Where are you at? I’m in Denver. I’m in Denver.

Oh, cool. Nice. How’s your guys’ market? Yeah, it’s um starting to wake up a

little bit, you know, but nice. I mainly focus on listings and uh so that’s been challenging for getting

sellers to like understand, hey, it’s not 2020. Yeah, that’s been my biggest thing, too.

I’ve lost a lot of listings um this year because of pricing, but I don’t, you know, honestly, I

really don’t care because um yeah, it’s

I don’t want to waste my money. I don’t want to waste my time. And like I tell them, you’re going to have somebody else that’s going to come and tell you a

price. You’ll probably lower it, but you know, if you want them to sign a document that says if they come below

this price, then they owe me the commission. Let’s see how how trustworthy they are on that end.

Because if somebody’s willing to sign the listing agreement that says, “Hey, I owe James Mitchner X amount of my

commission if it sells below this price, then, you know, and I and I tell people that all the time. Like I say, you know,

this is the price I recommend and if I don’t sell it for that or if I if it goes below this price, I’ll drop my commission to this commission. Like

that’s how confident I am in it and it will help a lot. So, yep. Yeah, that’s a good tip.

Yeah. Cool. Well, I know we you and I could talk a bunch more and we are after this another

time, but uh let’s get into the meat of the show. Get into the news. Um, from

the Big Ben Sentinel, Indiana men sentenced in Marfa real estate wire

fraud scheme. So, two guys in Indiana were sentenced uh to prison prison for

orchestrating a wire fraud scheme in uh this was actually in Marfa, Texas.

Oh, wow. They tricked a buyer into wiring 60 grand to a fraud dealing account. So, I

guess they spoofed the the title company’s email. Got him, dude. You know, just from like a God

perspective, like how can you do that? Like, you’re going to have to answer at some point in time. Like, you know, like

God’s watching everything. Like, and karma is a true thing in my opinion. Like, why do that type stuff, you know?

I just don’t I don’t get it. I’ve never been sued. I hopefully I never get sued and I just

try to do things above board. So, yeah. Yeah. God, my my last transaction, I

found out after the fact from the buyer agent that the buyer wanted to sue me.

He had no grounds for it. Why? Oh, this is a long story, but basically it um

[Music] so it was a hoarder situation.

Yeah. Yeah. And I I shouldn’t have even taken this

listing, but I ended up spending days pulling stuff out of um the crawl space.

Um which she wasn’t supposed to have anything in it. Yeah, long story, but

it got down to the end and and the buyer, he had issues um PTSD and brain trauma and um and he

just kind of couldn’t handle some things and he’d just go flying off the the handle.

Yeah. And uh he was just he was mad towards the end because it wasn’t everything wasn’t perfect. And uh yeah,

he was telling the the buyer agent he was going to get an attorney and sue me and sue everybody. But and but she went

to bat for me. She’s like, “Are you freaking kidding me?” Like

you wouldn’t have a home to move into right now. Like that guy worked his ass off

with way way above and beyond to make sure this would close. and and now you’re talking about suing him.

Like, yeah, chill. Like, I have like three bad reviews and two of

them are from buyers that I didn’t accept their offers during like the 21 through 23 craze.

I’m like, I had to do what’s best for my client. Like, sorry you didn’t get the house. Like, it’s not my deal, you know?

So, yeah. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. But can be tough. But

yeah, I can’t believe somebody would actually I can believe because I bought a house uh from a lady four years ago

and she told me this that she had to give the money to her boyfriend so he could pay his back taxes in London. I’m

like, “Oh, really? Have you met this guy?” “Yeah, I met him twice and we’re like pen pal like you know we’re

together and I’m like well have you sent him other money?” She’s like, “Yeah, I’ve sent him a lot of my savings because he’s always he’s always in

trouble and I’m trying to get him out of it.” And I’m like, ‘When was the last time you saw this guy? Just a couple months ago. I’m like, “So, you seen him

a total of three times then?” She’s like, “Yeah.” I’m like, “Well, why don’t you guys just move to his house in Phoenix?” “Oh, we just lost that.” I’m

like, “You’re getting scammed.” Yeah. If I buy this house from you, please don’t give them all the money that you can.

And I’m like, “Where are you moving to?” She’s like, “My brother’s house.” I’m like, “Okay.” So, I pray about it. I talked to some of

my friends. They’re like, “Somebody’s going to buy it if you don’t. Might as well buy it. Maybe do a hold back.” So, I asked her if I could do a hold back.

She said no. Called her three weeks later after we closed. I said, “How are you doing?” She said, “Uh, I’m all

right. Well, what’s going on? How are you and David?” I haven’t really talked to him because he wants he I gave him

all the money. 250 grand. She gave him and uh he just wants more and I don’t

know. We’re just kind of on the fritz right now. I’m like, “Oh my gosh, where are you? Are you staying here, brothers?” Yeah, I’m sleeping on the

floor. She’s like 80 years old. And I’m like I’m like, “You should have let me hold 40 grand over for you like I wanted to.”

But anyways, long story short, it is what it is. So, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I have a similar story. First first transaction as a realtor trying to

help this lady out, she sent all the money to somebody she never even met.

Yeah. Like what are you doing? Makes sense to this man. Sad.

Well, take away from this article, be careful. Follow your title company’s

rules. Well, I always tell my clients, I say call them back. Yep. And then get the person online that

you’ve been dealing with and then run it by me if you’re not comfortable with them. We’ll jump on a three through three-way call. Make sure you’re good to go.

Exactly. And don’t call a phone number that’s in an email you just got. Yeah. I know, right? Look it up on their website or whatever

the number you gave them as the Right. Always call to verify. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. from realtor.com. Mega investors are snapping up properties in

these popular metros. Uh Atlanta, Memphis, and LA are the top targets.

Let’s see. Price’s got to be moving down then. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, if you’re getting an owner carry situation or you’re getting some sort of

really good financing, then why not, right? It’s hard.

for me with doing fix and flips not to hold everything, you know? So,

right. Yeah. Yeah. Like just out of necessity, you got to keep the money coming and then

keep some of them or or did you mean something else? Like manufactured homes and stuff, I won’t usually keep them, you know? So,

but if I could flip them real quick, I will. I have How many do I have? two or three, I

think, but they’re on owner carries and then another one of them’s paid off, so it’s just like I might as well keep them

because they’re such low interest. But yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That’s kind of common

um advice on the mobile mobile homes owner carry them so you’re not about

you know they count like the you know how you can only have like nine loans in your name? Conventional loans they say.

Yeah. It’s by the way, because am I allowed to say words like that? Yeah. On podcast.

I don’t care. Cool. Yeah, it’s because when I try to get another conventional loan,

they’re like, “Well, you have three of these owner carries, so they count against you as loans.” I’m like, “No, no, no. You guys said conventional.

Like, I negotiated that with the seller.” So, yeah. So, thank you, Antonio.

So, um, yeah. I just I think it’s total crap that they count those against you.

It should be non-conventional loans, right? Whatever I negotiate with seller is our freedom to do what we want to,

but whatever. It’s our money. They can do what they want. Yeah. Well, thank God we got DSCR loans.

Oh, that’s why I’m closing on one right now. Yep. Yeah. Just keep going. Yeah. Yeah.

Yep. So, um,

anyhow, so what was the other thing that we’re looking at the or did you have any more to add to the investor snapping up

those properties? Yeah, I mean that’s always a hot button thing like, oh, all these investors are

buying up all these rental properties and yeah, but when you look at actual stats, it’s not a huge amount. It’s

really most mom and mom and pops own. Well, in that article, does it say Blackstone’s doing it? When they say uh

investors, what are they referring to? Um here, let me click into the article.

See if it mentions. I know Blackstone and Black Rock are

always, you know, in there. It’s interesting because Black Rock used

to own Home Partners of America and that that’s my

niche is rent to own and they they backed out of the market for the rent to

own. Oh, they did at the first

of this year. And so let’s let’s go to the next article. Um, from Long Island Life and

Politics, Floral Park real estate attorney pleads guilty to embezzlement.

So I I read into this a little bit. Embezzled 1.7 million from escrow

accounts of, you know, 30 clients um within a

three-year period. He’s just using it for going to nightclubs, luxury hotels, adult

entertainment, whatever that is. What’s the guy’s name that was doing it? Terrence Dherty.

Dherty. Dherty. Yeah, man. Dherty.

How do you say it? Spell that. Uh, spelled like d o u g h

e r d y. Oh, here it is. Right here. Yeah. 13 counts of GL brand lararseny.

Like why would you do that? You’re a like you’re a attorney. Like

Yeah. I I just don’t understand why they would do that to

Yeah. risking everything. And guess what? He lost everything and he’s facing three to 10 years in prison.

Yeah. And honestly, it should be like a boxer that kills somebody. Like you’re using, you know, you’re using your

powers to steal from other people lesser than you. Like, dude, you’re done, man. Like, you know.

Yeah. It just makes no sense to me with people like that. Yeah. Yeah.

He doesn’t need to give attorneys a worst name. Yeah. I know, right? Seriously,

attorneys and realtors like us, people are giving them giving us a bad name.

I agree 100%. And this is a young guy, too. Like looking at his stuff just

right. Wait, was it in Florida or where is it? Floral Park. I don’t know where that is actually. Oh, Floral Park, New York.

Yeah, here he is. Oh, yeah. It was Long Island Life and Politics. Yep. Doesn’t look like the type that would be

a criminal, I guess, but like that. So, and going to the nightclubs. Yeah. Yeah. I guess he’s probably not an

old guy. Yeah. No, he’s young. He’s probably like around our age, like 40s or something

like that. Yeah. I’m older than you. I’m 55. You’re 55?

Yeah. Oh my gosh, dude. That’s crazy. Right.

You’re like 45, 43. That’s unreal. Nice. Good for you.

Looking very young. Yeah. Geez. Yeah. But I got the fountain of youth.

Yeah, you do. I’ll tell you all about it if But you’ll got to pay me. Yeah, I know. That’s funny.

Let’s go to the next one from realtor.com. DJ Calvin Harris

accuses his financial advisor of stealing 22.5 million to fund

quote boondoggle unquote real estate scheme. A complete fraud.

Calvin Harris’s Yeah. So I I I was reading it about it.

Um, so I guess his financial planner was trying to get him into this project

called um, CM NTY, Community Culture

Campus. It’s like a big project. Um, that was projected to have a $900

million valuation once it was completed. Um, and you know, it’s one of these things.

You read this article and Calvin Harris is saying he hasn’t received any payment on loans, no equity returns, calling it

a fraud. Maybe it is, but maybe he’s just pissed because he hasn’t got his money right

away. And of course, the other guy, the financial planner is like denying wrongdoing, arguing that delays

are due to market conditions. and says the development just is it remains

viable but so that’s crazy I’m looking up the story right now. Yeah.

Yeah. So yeah that’s a that’s a lot of money.

Wow. I mean I don’t know a DJ I know he’s a big name. 22 million is a lot of money.

Really big name but still. Yeah. But you know there’s two sides of every story. So maybe he’s just not getting it back

out. I mean, it’s a depressed market anyways, and we all know that, right? So, you got to buy right and do all that

stuff. And I think a lot of people that get into investing like that, they just send in their money, and they don’t

actually like uh they just they hope it works, right? But they they’re not looking at the

logistics. They hear it’s real estate, they hear it’s Los Angeles, they hear it’s high-rise, and then they expect it

to get done. But there’s a lot more uh factors that go into this. So, yeah.

Sure. There’s going to be two sides to every story on that. And maybe he’ll get the money back. It’s just not in the

time the manner or the timely manner that he was expecting. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, this is a

development project. This is that’s the pretty much the

riskiest thing you can do in real estate, right? Like flips flips are risky, but if you know what you’re doing, you

you you’re kind of making educated decisions. And but developments are so big and complex.

I mean, the nice thing about a flip though is if it doesn’t work out, you could rent it, right? If you get the time and the market really hits you. I

mean, that’s what I did. I had a flip and press kit that I thought I was going to make 100 grand on and then it got down to a price where I was going to

make like 20 or 30 and I’m like, I’m just not willing to do that. No. So, I have a renter in there and yeah, she’s

paying the mortgage plus 300 bucks a month. So, yeah,

it’s good. Yeah. Shoot, I just got logged out of my notes here

to stay on track. I’m gonna text her right now and see how she’s doing because we got to raise the

rents. How often are you raising rents? Once a year.

Yeah, same here. How much do you raise it? Uh, it depends. 50 or 100 bucks. Just

Yeah, like it depends on the the rent price, you know? I don’t know. What are

you doing? Yeah, I mean some of them like

I’m probably if I’m like 30% below market, which I

generally am because they’re it’s gone up so fast and I haven’t been raising rents, then I’m going up a 100 to 200

bucks a month on those, right? But I’m not going to go 500, but I’ll do that. And I had one of my tenants reach out to

me and goes, “Hey, if you’re going to keep doing this, I’m going to move out.” Like, go for it. Like that would be fine. like you’re still your rent is

1,800. The rent I just rented three other of those houses for 2350. You’re

550 under. Like I got to raise it because my insurance went up $10,000 from last year to this year on all my

rental properties. And then the the taxers went up. So, you know, my handyman went up. Like

everything went up. So, this is a business for me. Like I got I’m I’m not a charity man. Like, you know, and I do

help out a lot of people with the money I make. So, you know, I’m constantly giving it away because I for one, I like

doing that. But yeah, so yeah. Um,

anyways, so yeah, I try to go up 50 to 100 bucks as well.

Yeah, I’m trying to remember. We do we have a rent to own here in Denver. I forget what we bumped it up to. It was in the

lease, too. You know, we put a cap on it. It might have been a couple hundred bucks now that I think about it. I let

everybody know that, you know, it’s going to go up at some point in time. So, well, we’ll go up every year,

generally speaking. So, Yep. Yeah. Yep.

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too, because what we were talking about on that last article was, you know, people putting big chunks of money into

these projects and not and just kind of going, I hope it works out, right? Yeah.

So, when you’ve got a a bunch of money like a Calvin Harris, he’s got that one

financial planner, but maybe he doesn’t have a whole team,

uh, you know, like a a a family office.

A lot of people don’t know what that is. basically, you know, a rich family has a team of people that are tax strategists,

you know, financial planners, a whole team of people, and they’re looking at these deals. They have guys

or gals, whatever, uh, that are looking at potential projects to put their money

in and to make them more money, but they they’re usually not those kinds of

families. They just want to protect their wealth and grow it, but not not be

their risk tolerance is is lower than somebody that’s trying to claw their way

up, right? Yeah. Um, so you got a team is my point

with with what we provide is kind of that same amount of due diligence for

um like apartment syndications is is what I’m getting at there. So we’ve got

a team of people that basically put a

a syndicator into a Shark Tank scenario. say they bring their deal and then we as

like syndicator sharks start asking them all the questions about their deal like

how long have they been in business? Have they, you know, done a syndication and gone full circle where they

refinanced out or sold it and got their investors their money back? Like how

many times have they done that? And so we have some limits. But having a group of people that know

the right questions to ask Yeah. makes somebody that’s just, you know, a doctor that’s got a bunch of

money and he wants to put it to work, but he doesn’t know, you know, how how do you calculate ROI?

Like he’s not looking at rent rolls and all that stuff. Um, and you guys have a meeting like a Zoom

meeting or an inerson meeting where you go over all this stuff and help answer questions.

Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Exactly. Yeah. And then, you know, we haven’t done one of those deals in a

little bit. Um, we’ve just kind of mainly focused on rent to own and co-living in the single

family space. You actually get better returns in in single family. Um, and

that’s kind of that’s my my focus. But, um, you know, we go over

what are the risks and benefits and rent to own is amazing. That’s why I got into

it. Like, tell me a little bit about rent to own. What do you mean by that? So, basically what we do is a call it a

reverse lease option. So, we find a buyer first that can’t get a loan from the bank but has a good chance to and

part of our process of to make rent to own work out because rent to own has

been given a bad name um from those big companies like Black Rockck, you know.

Um, yeah. And sometimes they do work out. Like I know people that it has worked out fine.

But we loop in a lender from the very beginning as kind of a CYA for

everybody. Yeah. Just to see like where are they at now? Why can’t they qualify? What do they

need to do to qualify? And how long that’s going to take. So once we know that and know that they’re a fit and

they’ve got some money to to pay upfront for their option fee, u we’ll go buy

them a house just usually on market. Um and they usually need one to three years.

But it’s amazing because the difference a house is you buy them a house.

We buy the house for them. Yep. No way. Yeah. Like if it’s on market like we

could just let them go pick out a house. That’s the same way like Black Rockck was doing it. Um

but uh and they have how much money down? So we look for 10% of the purchase price

or more. So it’s it’s it’s a sliver of the population that can’t get into some

kind of loan product. Yeah. But so it’s usually self-employed people. They’ve got some money, but

banks don’t like them. So they’re not checking all the boxes that the bank needs. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.

Yeah. So, what if after say two years they’re like, “Okay, we’re ready to buy it from you.” Then you’re asking them to

essentially refinance you out of the loan, right? No. They go get their own a fresh loan

because we’ve Yeah. Yeah. They’re not assuming a loan because we’re going out and getting like

a conventional loan um with 20% down. Conventional being DSCR or conventional

being conventional because you can only do Right. because we just got done talking about that conventional stuff,

right? Yeah. So, not on FHA because it’s not like as an investor, we’re we’re not

living in it. So, get um that or DSCR. Yep. Yep. Okay.

Yeah. Cool. Could I mean we’re we and our our investors are just mom and pop

investors, not loaded like holding these thing in in all cash. So, there’s a loan

on it. Oh. So, okay. Lenders love us because they get a loan up front and a loan on the back end, too.

Yeah. Seriously. Yeah. They have no idea. I actually teach a CE class for agents and lenders

uh about all this. And once they get it, they’re like, “Oh, yeah, dude. That’s awesome.” Okay. Yeah,

that’s cool. Yeah, that’s something I want to look at as well is doing Yeah, we could talk about a more for

sure. Like the reason I bring rent own up is you’ve got

somebody with an owner’s mindset and some skin in the game that’s going to take care of the property because that’s

going to be their property, you know, officially down the road where, you know, regular render, they they might be

good people and take care of the property, but there’s no guarantee, no skin in the game, and that that kind of

mindset isn’t there. Yeah, dude. That’s amazing. Nice. Okay,

that’s something to think about. I was thinking about selling some of my stuff on owner carries because you can charge

up to 9.9% I think, you know, then if you advertise it over

30, balloon it in five or whatnot, like makes sense. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that’s good, too. Yeah. Then

you don’t have any Yeah. You’re just you’re the bank. You’re not getting calls and we don’t really get

many calls either. Video for you. No. What’s that?

Was my video freezing? Yeah, it was. Yeah. Okay. Uh I got too many windows open,

but I don’t know how how to get rid of all of them. No. Anyway,

uh well, hey, let’s keep things moving here. Um from House Beautiful, this chilling new real estate scam could cost

you everything. Well, we’re just here to scare people, I guess. Yeah, I know, right? So, I was like,

let’s get some positive stuff in here. I know, right? Uh we always follow up with a fun one at the end, but um so this is

talking about uh title pirates targeting vacant land. Us

second homes and vacant properties. Yeah. I I don’t know about you, like I

just the other day had somebody reach out, hey, you know, I want to sell some

land. Total cold message to me. Like, yep. I’m like, I’m not touching that. Like,

no. No one just reaches out to you. Hey, I see you’re an agent. Would you sell my land? No.

Yeah, I know. Yeah. It’s got to be a scammer. I just, you know, or they like write you and then they’re

like, well, I can talk through WhatsApp. It’s like, oh, yeah, I know who you are. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Big red flag. wish they would

have like a department that like you could just write into real quick, you know, like, hey, this number is trying

to give me do you want to take it from here? You know, type thing. So,

yeah. Yeah, they’re getting tricky with with that actually like getting getting

their names on title like it’s hard to hard to even figure out if it’s a scam.

Yeah. No. Yeah, actually right after this I got to go meet up with a seller for some land,

but I know he’s real. So, yeah. So,

yeah, those happen all the time. Just don’t be naive and if it sounds too good to be true, usually it’s going to be too

good to be true. Like, you just don’t want to get tied up and stuff like that. I never have because I’m always like,

“Sure, yeah, well, I don’t know. I just I I’m so busy. Yeah. I try not to keep

that time of day, you know. So, yeah. Yeah. Keep keep moving. Yeah. I

know my my uh partner Josh Shanley, he’s he’s been listing a lot more land recently,

which is really nice. Just you’re not dealing with a property, you know, like a building.

Yep. And emotions and all that, right? Yeah. Leaving the lights on and that type of thing. There’s pros and cons to

it for sure because some of them don’t move as fast but then when they do move you know it’s uh

yeah it’s usually not as emotional because people aren’t tied into it. Yep. Yeah.

It’s just dirt. Well, our next article from real estate

news. NAR has bled realtors dry. New antitrust suit alleges.

What’s that mean? I you know I I read into it a little bit more late last

night. Um it’s basically this guy he’s a managing broker has a

whole team the way I read it and he he was upset

that he’s paying NAR National Association of Realtors and his local realtor um

association association and then have It it also is getting into like multiple MLS’s that I

don’t know like like here in Colorado we’ve got 11 or 12 MLS’s. Yeah. And so the managing broker like this guy

has to be a member of all of those in order for his agents and he’s got a I don’t know how big his

agent team was, but it’s like he’s paying all these different fees just to be part of these

different MLS’s. So that’s what he’s he’s upset about. But they’re they actually they’re trying

to do here in Arizona, too, is just make it one one big MLS, which would be cool,

you know? Yeah. If it’s a good one, right? Like our our one here in Denver, the main one,

is is good. It’s wellrun. It’s just got bought out recently, but like there’s one

a couple hours away from us that is freaking terrible. Like, yeah,

they’re kind of old school and they’re just trying to make it hard for everybody. It’s like,

well, if if that was the one that we ended up going with and it sucked for

everybody. Yeah. You know, it could go either way, right? Absolutely.

Yeah. I don’t know that that’s a debate, a timeless debate. Like people don’t

like I had somebody in my I’ve got a group of like 6,000 Colorado agents and

uh somebody popped in. They’re like, “Hey, is there a brokerage I could join that doesn’t require you to join NAR?”

And it’s like, “Oh my god, there’s a can of worms.” Because it’s like, first of all, I I asked like, “Why are you not

wanting to join NAR?” Right? Some people don’t want to pay. They don’t see the value in it,

right? And sure, it’s not going to be perfect, but No, we could talk for hours on that, I

suppose. Do you have any thoughts on on this? Yeah, I mean

I I get where he’s coming from and I think one would be nice, but then you’re kind

of like monopolizing. I don’t know. It uh but each like the Sedona one that we

have here is like very close-knit. They like things certain way, which I get, and it holds the standard up higher,

right? There’s other ones that are a little bit more loosey goosey, but then you got to add all those fees onto it

if you want to sell out there. But that guy, like he’s complaining about how

it’s draining them, but that’s kind of the cost of business at that point. And he knew going into it that that’s what

it was going to be. So, uh I think for me, like if I want to go

sell in those other counties, then I just have to understand like that’s a cost of business and I’m going to have to go into it. But I guess I’d be afraid

of the monopolization, right, of Phoenix, you know, coming up here. And then when you add one big umbrella

like that and then a Phoenix agent can come up here and do more business, it’s going to make it more competitive and

dilute it a little bit. So maybe that adds a little bit of entry of barrier so that it keeps it to more local knowledge

than somebody outside somebody coming in from Phoenix just being able to sell everywhere we’ll just do it right

because they’re not very busy and they’re like okay cool I could do this but they’re not going to get the same

type of uh service because they don’t understand the area. You got to let them in as

agents unless you have a combo box. I just did two deals with two out of uh

Phoenix and agents. They asked me for my termite inspector, my home inspector, all this stuff. And I’m like, “All

right, I’ll do it because I want to get the deal done, right?” But like, I don’t know. It would have been cool if they would have because when you use an agent

here in our town, that money goes back into our community, right? When somebody comes sells property here, they take

that commission, they bring it back down to Phoenix, and they bring it into that economy. So, I don’t know. It’s just

and then they want to do their title in escrow down there in Phoenix. And it’s like but you’re selling a prescuit property then you’re using a prescuit a

or a you’re selling a press property but you’re using a Phoenix escrow company

then you’re using a Phoenix lender then you’re using a Phoenix uh uh agent lender and escrow company. So

all three of those big services are getting the filtered away from our community. So

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, good points. Yeah, that’s my thought on it. And

everybody will have their they can combat it and bring up their point and I’m more than willing to listen to it.

But yeah, that’s just my thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those are good points. Yeah. We also mentioned um Compass was

involved in this and they’re um forcing the the co-founder of Zillow to come in

and and uh be under testimony for like three hours or something. Oh, really?

Yeah. Not sure. Boy, Zillow’s been under fire. That whole Compass thing, that’s a

whole other thing. Merging with um all these other companies. I’ll have to talk

about that another time. Yeah, I think well you were going to bring up N and I thought the number one

point I was going to bring up is that was our biggest mistake that we ever made was giving our listings to Zillow

and Realtor.com so that they could charge us for our leads. Yeah. And we didn’t charge Do we charge them

anything and they just get free data? Yep. Like they just took money out of all of our pockets. Like that’s the stuff I get

upset about because I’m the one that goes out, secures the listing, does all the marketing, and then they get to take

it and then market it back to me with the buyers that I want. Just doesn’t make sense. I don’t know

why they did that, but yeah. Yeah, it was smart.

Uh yeah, sucks for us. Yeah.

All right. Uh, from National Inquirer, Wolf of West Virginia, sentenced to

prison in real estate fraud scheme, ordered to pay nearly $400,000.

Theodore Miller sentenced to seven years in prison and ordered to repay that

400,000. 400,000 from 180 investors.

I didn’t do the math on that, but that’s a lot of different investors,

you know, some kind of a Say that one. Read that one more time. Yeah. So, he he defrauded 180 different

investors out of 400,000. Yeah. Like, what’s what’s the math on that?

like some kind of well that you know that’s why syndications and syndication

attorneys and law are in place so you can’t go take advantage of people that

are like oh I got five or 10,000 you know like here yeah go invest this

and and but they’re not in real estate they don’t have the wherewithal to like absorb a loss like that

you know yep I mean it’s just making the world a harder

place for people that want to get their money out there. Dude, my thing is is

like just treat people with kindness and don’t screw them over. Like why do we have to all do that? Like are you that

greedy? Like just work a little bit harder. The world would be such a better place. But

if we didn’t do that, but also people get off the hook too easily. So I think

it’s in India or some place, right? If you steal something, you get your hand chopped off. Like that’s pretty bad. But

most people don’t steal stuff because they don’t want their hand chopped off, you know. So, yeah. Yeah. Well, luckily guys like this, you know,

seven years in prison, that’ll make a him think. And, you know, we’re sharing

this, other people will be like, “Oo, maybe I should think twice before I try to defraud some people because

Yeah. Seven years in prison, that’s even if it’s shortened.”

Yeah. Right. One day in prison could change your life, right? Yeah. Maybe I don’t want to go. Oh, I wouldn’t want to go to prison. No,

no. I’m too pretty, man. Yeah. Yeah. I got my family, dude. I don’t want the bad rap of that. So,

I’m just not that person. No. God. But just treat people with kindness,

dude. I just don’t I just People would stop being so entrusting

obviously if we just had more trust. Like, we could just Yeah. be kind to each other. But it is what it is.

Yeah. My point to it is there’s got to be stiffer penalties for people that do stuff like Yeah.

Yeah. You can’t get in trouble over and over and over again. And then it’s Okay. So,

did I tell you what I told you one of my flips got broken into today or Yeah. Before we started the show. Yeah.

So, I called the police and uh um I they came over. They did a report

and I said, “Oh, I saw you. You were following us. you flipped a UEI and pulled over the guy that was behind us

and goes, “Oh, yeah.” He was going 50 and a 35. And he’s like, “Can the guy that got pulled over was like, “Can you

please not give me a ticket?” He’s like, “Well, when’s the last time you’ve been pulled over?” He’s like, “J July.” And he’s like, “What about before that?

January. What about time for that?” Well, it was uh November. He’s like, “You obviously haven’t learned. I’m

giving you another ticket.” Like, these people just don’t learn because there’s not harsh enough consequences. It’s

like, dude, if you get pulled over four times in 12 months for speeding, like there’s got to be more consequence

because they’re just not learning, you know, like in my opinion. And that speeding could kill kill a kid or like

injure somebody or something like that. It’s just Yeah, man. Yeah. We’re too loosey goosey with

stuff. That guy must be speeding all the time because like how many times I never get pulled over, dude. And I do

speed, but I’m I’m not super excessive about it, but I do speed. So, but just like you said, he must be speeding all

the time. So, yeah, excessively if he’s getting pulled over that many times.

For sure. Oh my goodness. Let’s go down onto our next scam uh article from from WWSB

Sarasota. Venice woman posed a real estate agent as a real estate agent and

scammed couple out of thousands. Andrea Moss, 59, Venice, Florida.

charged with grand theft from a person 65 or older. Um, that must be like a an extra penalty

and unlicensed real estate activity. So, um, I guess she got accepted $6,200 from

an out ofstate couple for a rental and it sounds like she was a property

manager, but um, but she didn’t have her license. Yeah.

Didn’t have a real estate license. Yeah. So, her Yeah. her management uh rights

had been revoked months earlier and formal charges were filed. Um so, she

just kept doing her thing and Yeah. scam these people. Yeah. That happens all the time where uh

people are trying to rent a home in my town. Yeah. And they put it on Craigslist or something like that and they get scammed

out of sending the deposits. Yep. somebody and creates a new

posting, right? People are like, they call me, they’re like, “Are you a real person?” And they’ll look me up and all that stuff, which I’m totally okay with. Like, I’d

rather them do that, you know, but because they don’t want to be scammed and I get it, which adds a

little bit more work for me because if I mean, I literally just rented two

apartments to people that I never met until they actually moved in, which was kind of crazy, but I’ve had good luck.

So yeah, usually if they pass the test of whatever I have in my mind. Yeah.

Yeah. So you’re managing all all of your properties. Yeah.

Good for you. But I have a good retention rate. It’s not as much work as you think it is. Yeah. If you

And I have guys that like the tenants have their number. So if there’s anything big, they just call them

directly or small, they just call them directly. And then if it’s big enough, my guys will call me and say, “Hey, this

is what’s going on. You’re cool with it.” They’ll send me a text. I’ll say yes. But if it’s like on the tenant, like this one tenant moved into one of

the places. And then all of a sudden, the toilet started clogging. So I had to get the sewer line cleaned, right? Then

it happened two days later. I had to get the sewer line cleaned. Well, guess what came out of that. I’ll give you one

guess. Um, feminine products. Yeah. Whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. So I’m like I I’m like, “Can you tell how old they are?” He’s like, “No,

I mean it’s pretty messy.” And I was like, “Okay, well now it’s scoped,

right? So if it happens again and there’s Fenin products, she’s going to pay for it.” So yeah, I just Yeah.

Anyways, yeah. Basic rule. Don’t flush those stupid things. Same with those flushable wipes

that they say are flushable. Like no, no, no, no, no. Like, yeah, those are clogged, too. Even though they

say flushable. Yep. Yeah. So, you flushable, dude. It’s not

flushable. Like, just Yeah. Yeah. Um,

but I I Yeah, I manage them. I like it. It’s just

It’s been good for me. And my retention I can’t tell you how many people are like, “Thank God you’re the landlord.”

like I don’t have to go through another company. I don’t have to do any of this. Like most people stay five years, you

know, with me. Although I’m raising rents, so maybe my retention won’t be as good. But, you know, as soon as

something’s broken, I get it fixed. Like, I don’t I’m not a slum lord. So, I literally got to put in two H Let me ask

you a question. So, one of my HBACs is going bad, right? I can save $2,000 if I

buy two of the units because then they don’t have to have the crane come back out. But one of them’s still working, one of them’s not. Like, do I just spend

the money and get two brand new ones or no? Wait, how much are you saving?

Two grand. Two grand. What are they per normally?

Like if you bought like eight grand each. So I’m uh

Yeah, it’s a good question. Well, how old are they? Uh, they both the same age

kind of end of life, I think. So, if they’re end of I mean, he said they were the same

thing. Let me see. Yeah, because if they’re both kind of end of life, it’s like Yeah,

he said he said if we do both brand new rudd

126, if we only do one, it’s 7,000.

Yeah. Yeah. What do you think, Antonio?

Yeah. That’s that’s an interesting I I I I would just

look and see, you know, if they’re end of life, then yes, for sure. But if they’re, you know, if it’s only a couple

years old, right? Yeah. It’s like, oh, well, yeah. No, save that money.

Um, so yeah, that’s one question I don’t know that I got clarified. Yeah, bring that up. Well, cool. Let’s

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Okay, we’re back and from Jason Miller, Substack. This the first time we’ve had

a article from Substack. Autozone is repurposing the real estate

of bankrupt big box retailers as new mega hub stores. So they’re taking like

Bed Bath and Beyond, Big Lots, Toys R Us, Kmart, and turning them into these

mega AutoZone. Um I haven’t seen that here in the

Denver market. Um have you seen that? Probably not in Prescat, but down in

Phoenix. Have you heard of that? No. Yeah. I mean, I don’t We don’t get We’re

probably like I would say Arizona’s probably two years

behind California and then Prescuit is probably a couple years

behind Phoenix in some of those things. So, yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile, working on

Yeah, Antonio’s right. So, with the AutoZone play, say it one more time.

Oh, they’re just taking big big box stores and turning them into mega AutoZone. 50,000 square foot.

That would be I’ve never even seen one down in Phoenix that I can think of now. Yeah, it says Well, it says there’s 133

already. So, huh. Aiming for 300 nationwide.

Well, just like what Antonio said is like working on your car is getting more difficult anyway. So, like a lot of

those are getting more computerized. So, and the engines are kind of I don’t know. From what I can tell, it’s harder

to work on your vehicle. So, yeah. Antonio says he hasn’t seen one in

Vegas yet. Yeah. Interesting. I I wonder what they’re putting in there. 100,000 SKs.

Um, you know, I’ve been in my local auto zones. There’s a lot of stuff, but like

what what are they gonna fill 50,000 square feet with? It’ll be Dude, there’s no way that we have an

AutoZone and Pres Valley and a a uh we have a Napa and then we have a uh

O’Reillys, right? That’s it. And then they have the same three stores on Prescuit and that’s all

we have. So, it’s not We can’t support a 50 square 50,000. We can barely like

support a big furniture store. We’re only 150,000 people, you know, and that’s like a 20 mile radius.

So, yeah. Yeah. But it’s interesting. I mean, I would love to buy the commercial space

that AutoZone is in, you know? Yeah. Like, I think that’d be super cool. If

that ever came to me, I’d probably do it. So, yeah. Which I did just get offered like a 12plex to buy in a different town, which

I’ve been kind of thinking about. I don’t know. Do we have to stay to the topics that we’re talking about? like with those

circles. Is that what your audience likes or no? Can you deviate a little bit? We’ve we in this show we’ve deviated a

lot more than we normally do, but I I freaking love it. Let’s let’s do it because if I think if it’s interesting

to you and I let’s let’s just I mean, dude, so I can buy this 12plex, right, in a little town that’s growing

and I can buy it for under two million and I could sell two of my houses and have like half of the down payment down.

Yeah. you know, and it brings in 200,000 a year. And I’m like, dude, that would be really nice to have that, you know,

like I could go in, fix some stuff up, bring up the value of it, and then I

have 10 rental 12 doors right there. Yeah. For four of my houses, which four of my

houses bring in 24, 24, 100 grand, right? So, it just might make more sense

to do that. Now, I’m gonna have more headaches. So, I’ll probably have to pay a property manager. But maybe I could

have my in-laws doing that because they’re retiring here soon. So, Oh, there you go.

You know, just pay them like 30 grand for the year to just answer the phones and handle that. Like, it’s not going to

be a full-time job. It’s going to be super part-time, right? Yeah. So, yeah. I don’t know. What do you

Sounds cool, man. Yeah. Yeah. You run the numbers. Does it make sense? I mean, I can do it in my head

pretty quick and it’s like, yeah, that makes sense. But I’d have to do DSCR probably. Well, you’d have to do a jumbo loan, right?

Oh, is it anything over 750? Is that what it is? Oh, for DSCR, like a limit?

No, no, no. If you’re getting a loan over $750,000. Yeah. Yeah.

I’m not sure. Um I mean, would that be considered a commercial loan?

Oh yeah, would be a commercial loan. What am I thinking?

So, and I’m assuming that’s a 20 maybe 30%

down, right? At least 20 because it’s an investment if not more because it’s commercial.

Yeah. Lender. Yeah. I wonder if that would be Do

lenders, regular lenders do commercial loans like that? Not all. Yeah.

Um it I can put you in touch with my buddy Dominic Denino. Um he’s he’s a

broker and he does flips and all sorts of creative stuff rent to own and stuff.

Fact, he’d be a good good connection for you, I think. Either way. Oh, really? Okay.

Yeah, that’d be awesome. Yeah. Send him my way. Yeah. He’s actually considering getting

licensed and uh joining up with us, too. So, Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, he has been in the past, but

he’s mainly been a lender, worked for, you know, and run some big teams on the

lending side as well. So, yeah, he’s a badass, but yeah, he could he could get you lined up.

Okay, cool. See what your options are. So, yeah. Okay, that’d be awesome.

Um,

okay. So, from stock titan, land and buildings issues l letter

detailing. Why? How? Easy for me to say. Land and build.

Land and buildings issues. Letter detailing. Why? Now is the time to

finally unlock Six Flags substantial trapped real estate value. That’s a long

one. Uh, I didn’t quite understand this uh

because they’re talking about separating Six Flags real estate through a REIT

doing a spin out or sale lease back that could generate up to $6 billion

and deliver as much as 130% upside for shutter holders.

Um, so, uh, this is when it’s nice to have like

maybe a commercial guy, uh, you know, on the show on the panel. Yeah.

Because Yeah. This is out of my zone, [Music] dude. That’s awesome, though. I mean,

why would they do that though? They they lease it back to themselves. Yeah. It’s interesting when they get all

creative doing that stuff. Well, there’s got to be some tax benefit and obviously monetary benefit, but

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 130% upside. They said $6 billion.

I don’t know if anybody’s listening on YouTube and can comment that knows what’s what this is. This

means let us know. That’s crazy. Yeah. Let’s go to our next one from USA

Today. Rent control gets another look amid a national housing crisis.

H. This always rears its head, doesn’t it? Yeah, it does. Always. Yeah.

Yeah. What are your thoughts on unlimit control? Oh, I think that it’s

the market will dictate it because it’s already happening here. So, I put up a

property for$,550 a month and I had one or two people inquire and I’m like, “Oh

man, I don’t like the people I’m getting. I’m going to have to go down a little bit lower. I thought I was going to have five or 10.

I lowered it down to 15. Still 1450. Got way better, but still not

enough. I dropped it to 14. And I had like 20 people that came and I’m like, “Okay, cool. This is what I want right

here.” And I got the right person. So, but the market told me it wasn’t worth 1550, you know. So, the market does its

own stuff. Yep. Just let it do its thing. you know,

they mentioned I don’t know rent controls. Yeah, I could see where

Well, you know, I’ve with their dollars, then it would be different. You know, if people just understood how they can truly win the

voting game and it’s with what you spend money on. So, my Apple Watch went dead,

right? And the screen broke and it was going to cost me essentially $300 to get everything fixed. I’m like, that’s like

buying a brand new one. So, I ended up buying a Fitbit off of Next Door that was brand new for 50 bucks and I love

it, but because I’m voting against buying something for 500 bucks from Apple because I just don’t want to,

especially if it can break that easily, you know? So, and I also vote with my dollars by

buying more expensive stuff through Costco because they warranty stuff. And I don’t know, man. It’s just voting with

your dollars. It’s like when a new movie comes out on Amazon or something and it’s like 30 bucks. Like if I really

want to watch that movie, I’ll wait until it goes down to like 10, 15, maybe 20 if I really want it. But that’s me

voting with my dollars. And that takes self-control. It takes restraint. And like maybe we all can’t do that all the

time, but if you practiced it, if everybody practiced it more often, then we would be in a much better spot in

this world. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This article

Yeah, but a lot of people like they say rent, they want rent control, but the

taxes go up, the insuranceances go up, the handymen go up. Like they can’t afford to keep up that building. Like

sure, if you want to live in a piece of crap house, then we can have it be rent controlled, but then if it’s going to be

rent controlled, then I want the government step in. If they’re going to step in and control what I rent, then they need to step up and control what

HVAC guys can charge me, roofers can charge me, handyman can charge me, right? you know, like like where do you

stop it, you know? I don’t know. Well, you hit on the main thing with rent control right there because if if

you’re deincentivized to Yeah. rent to people, you’re you’re not going

to keep up with the property. You’re not going to make improvements. Um the the quality of your rental is

just going to go down down down because you’re you’re hog tied. And then other investors aren’t going to

want to get into the game. they might not even be able to because the numbers don’t work and then the pool of rentals

dwindles and the quality dwindles and then you’ve just got these shitty

rentals and yeah, so that’s that’s really the gist

of why rent control just doesn’t work. And the other thing is like what

Antonio said is like if you look at all these beautiful cities like Seattle,

Portland, LA, uh New York City like they’re all ran by

I mean I’m getting a little bit political here, right? But look at what how they’re ran their Democratic party

and th those beautiful cities are just turning into uh what what’s the one on

Batman? U Gotham. Gotham. It’s turning into Gotham, dude. It’s just like there’s

crime everywhere. Like there has to be more order. There has to be more like they’re just you can’t let people do.

Human beings are meant to have a leader and like be like we we look to people

for that type of thing. Like we need more order. We need more God. We need more like we need more of

that type of thing. So yeah, we can’t be um

socialist. Yeah, we can’t be turning into socialist and communist cities without pol without the policies of the

communism, right? Like it just doesn’t work out. Like we can’t do that in my opinion. It’s

just a slippery slope, man. In my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. That’s a good Yeah. Slippery

slope. Yeah. Yeah. It’s you gota gota keep it. It’s like uh one of my friends I think

they went they went to Seattle or something like that. They said there’s needles all over the ground. There’s

people pooping all over the ground. Like there’s all these tents and everything. Like you’re not only gonna So you get

that, right? How many people want to bring their families there to go do tourism and stuff like that when they

see all of that because of it not being safe and exposing their kids? They’re not only going to lose money by that,

they’re going to lose everything when they lose the tourism and they move good people wanting to move in there. Like

that’s when the city just goes to trash and then it goes to, you know, I I’m all

about helping people and like getting them help, but don’t let them free fall through it, you know? So,

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Needles, feces, trash all over the

place like Yeah. How are you seeing that in Denver at all?

Yeah, they’ve they’ve cleaned up some areas.

Um, and I don’t know what they did to clean them up, but the tent cities are gone in some areas. But I know like

the buyer on that condo I sold that became a nightmare where he was going to sue me. He he was trying to get out of a

neighborhood where apparently they’re busting in Venezuelans. Um, and it’s he

said I mean there’s people fighting every night and like he was scared for him and his kids.

Yeah. Yeah. So, he just wanted to get to a nicer area. So, like and I don’t know who’s busing

them in like from where? Because that these some of these different states will do that.

They’re like, “Oh, we’re cleaning up our cities.” And they’ll like pay pay them whatever, put them on a bus

and send them to another city. Like, what? That’s not solving the problem. Yeah. One of my friends telling me that

like Trump is putting kids in cages and stuff and shipping them out. I’m like, “Dude,

some kids should be in cages.” But uh Go ahead. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

But I just don’t believe that that’s I think there’s two parts to every story, right? And there’s the radical right and

the radical left. And like there’s just the point is is like if you can see if

if there is a strong case study that shows how certain cities are ran and you

can compare those two together and they’re ran by different policies. Yeah.

Which one’s doing better and you do that over and over and over again and that one keeps outshining the other.

Obviously this one works. So yeah. Yeah. Top five US cities showing strong

growth or momentum in 2025. Princeton, Texas surges about 30% in population

year-over-year, becoming one of the fastest growing cities in the country. Selena, Texas, leading growth rate of

more than 16% among sorry among US cities in 2025. Texas

also again Flusher also among the top fastest growing populations growth rate.

Huntsville, Alabama now estimate nearly 250 growing rapidly with close to 16%

increase. Yeah, that’s crazy to read that Antonio. So, um, those are

that’s big numbers. 30% increase. Dude, that’s huge. That’s like alarming.

I mean, Florida was doing that for a while, too, man. There was like thousand people a day moving in there in 2122.

It was just insane. So, yeah, got some challenges.

Yep. Yeah. All right, let’s go to our fun news item. Richest billionaires in real

estate from Stacker. Um, stacker.com.

See, Richest Billionaires in real estate showcase how property has created vast

fortunes through development, management, and investments. Donald Brenn leads the list with 19

billion, followed by Stephven Ross at 17 billion and Jeff Green at 9 billion. I

don’t know any of those those names, but neither do I. You know who I do know is

uh um

oh my gosh, what was his name? He owns like a billion dollars in real estate. I

I went to a party with him and talked to him for like 45 minutes. He was so cool. He’s a shorter guy.

Pace Morby. No, not Pace. I met him for like 10 minutes one time.

I know Beardy Brandon. You probably know Brandon Turner. Yep. I know him. And yeah, he’s a cool guy.

Yeah, very nice. How I got my start is Bigger Pockets.

Yeah, me too. That’s why I did podcast every single day while I was hiking first thing in the morning before I went

to work. And then my mindset was get listings so I can get commissions so I can get the rentals so I can pay them off so I can

get to financial freedom. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. He’s cool. I get because Bigger

Pockets is based here in Denver and then he flew in for a thing. So I got to meet him and Josh Dorcin, you know, the

original founder back in the day. It’s cool rubbing elbows with guys like that.

I just I just love Brandon Turner’s like vibe. He’s just got such a good

attitude. Yeah. Oh, dude. He’s such a great guy. Yeah. Uh Donald Trump.

Yeah. Rick Caruso, Leonard Stern also highlight diverse ways.

Seeing any of those? We’re talk we’re talking to the choir here. I mean, there’s a reason we’re in

real estate, right? Yeah. build wealth. I mean, I would love to be at that point. If I got to that point, I’d be

helping out a ton of people. I always said if I won that, what was it, like 1.3 million dollar uh

lottery that was here in Arizona? My son’s like, “What would you do?” I’m like, “What would you do?” He’s like, “Buy a 3D printer. What would you do?”

I’m like, “I would help a lot of people.” Yeah. Like that’s the thing I got the most excited about was helping people,

you know, people that are working hard and just striving to do stuff, you know, not Yeah.

Yeah. Because there’s a lot of people out there that are striving to do better for themselves and they’re working their butts off, but they’re just not gaining

traction. So, yeah. Yeah. Dude, I I need to send you a video I just put on Facebook

about that exact thing. Oh, really? Yeah. Yes. Um, I’ll I’ll connect with

you after this on Facebook, Instagram, and then uh I’ll share that. Cool.

But, uh, well, cool, man. This this flew by. I mean, I know it did. I was looking at, too. I

got a tenant coming over to drop off some money to me right now, so I got to run. But yeah.

Right on. This is awesome. Tell Antonio I said hi. Well, can you hang on for a few more

minutes? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, we’ll we’ll um

end this. I just got to finalize a few things. Uh like to thank our sponsors,

United States Real Estate Investor Advertising, Accelerated Capital at

AccelerateMycap.com, Universe Media Publishing at Universe Media Publishing.com, and of course,

thanks to our one and only guest, James Mitcher.

Thank you. Oh, why don’t you let people know how they can connect with you? Oh, uh, Instagram would be great if, uh,

they go to Financial Free Realtors, um, on Instagram or just look me up, uh, James R. Mitchner on Facebook.

Um, also send me a text if you’d like at 9283084700.

So, by the way, we’re like reorganizing all this stuff right here. So, yeah.

Okay, cool. Cleaning. That’s a little dirty. I see that there. It’s okay. What? What was it?

My office just looks a little bad right there. Whatever. It is what it is. So, yeah. So, cool. Thanks, James. I appreciate

it. Right. Cool. Yeah. Can you hang on a little bit more? Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Uh, again, I’m your

host, James Brown. Feel free to connect with me by going to linktree partner with James Brown. Got a bunch of

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