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		<title>Shocking Truths About Body Donation and Ukraine Doctors Using Medical Apps</title>
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									<p><strong>Major Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li data-start="568" data-end="702"><p data-start="570" data-end="702">America’s body donation industry operates with shockingly little regulation leaving families and donors vulnerable to exploitation</p></li><li data-start="703" data-end="824"><p data-start="705" data-end="824">Ukrainian doctors are using medical apps and peer to peer support from global physicians to save lives during wartime</p></li><li data-start="825" data-end="915"><p data-start="827" data-end="915">Technology is filling deadly healthcare gaps where governments and systems have failed</p></li></ul>								</div>
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class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="23070" data-end="27950">We also have specialists from all over the world who are giving peer-to-peer review.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="27950" data-end="31750">But first, who&#8217;s making sure our loved ones&#8217; remains are safe?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="32230" data-end="37630">The donor having the autonomy, even if they&#8217;re not there anymore, they don&#8217;t oppose the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="37630" data-end="39610">fact that they&#8217;re being donated is really important.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="40010" data-end="42570">All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="47080" data-end="53060">Have you heard the story that&#8217;s about a guy who lives in a bank that is really close by?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="53300" data-end="57720">The Capital One Cafe is his home, no doubt, where customers bank and get their cash out.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="57880" data-end="60900">There&#8217;s no fees or minimums on checking accounts, so your money stays.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="60900" data-end="64600">Most Capital One Cafes are open all seven days.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="64920" data-end="70480">This magical place, as some people might call it, is where the Capital One bank guy says,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="70600" data-end="72020">what&#8217;s in your wallet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="72360" data-end="73660">That&#8217;s a lovely tale.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="74140" data-end="74520">Terms apply.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="74660" data-end="75920">See CapitalOne.com slash bank for details.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="76080" data-end="76900">Capital One and a member FDIC.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="77280" data-end="81300">At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about going to the bathroom in public, so we decided</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="81300" data-end="82140">to sing about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="82180" data-end="84400">Light a candle, pour some wine.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="84660" data-end="87640">Grab a roll, the soft kind for a little me time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="87720" data-end="89620">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="90160" data-end="92240">Wavy edges for my rear.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="92460" data-end="94880">So let the softness caress your soul.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="95360" data-end="97620">Just relax, you&#8217;re on a roll.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="97940" data-end="98540">Let it rip.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="98900" data-end="100640">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="100700" data-end="103300">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear has the same softness you love.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="103340" data-end="105800">Now with wavy edges that tear better than the leading one-ply brand.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="105960" data-end="107040">Enjoy the go with Charmin.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="117520" data-end="122880">Organ donation is a highly regulated system to protect both the donors and recipients.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="123440" data-end="128600">Federal and state laws protect against exploitation and trafficking while ensuring a fair and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="128600" data-end="129620">ethical process.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="130160" data-end="134260">But what&#8217;s surprising is that this strict oversight doesn&#8217;t really apply to the rest</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="134260" data-end="134820">of the body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="135280" data-end="140060">Each year, thousands of people donate their bodies to science to be used for medical education</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="140060" data-end="141580">or research purposes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="142240" data-end="148000">But aside from a 1968 law, the human body donation market is essentially the Wild West</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="148000" data-end="148720">of science.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="149200" data-end="154160">Joy Balta says this lack of oversight and regulation has led to a dangerous absence</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="154160" data-end="156020">of accountability for this industry.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="156500" data-end="158800">We know nothing actually about what happens.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="159100" data-end="164820">So some of the research that I&#8217;ve done and my PhD students have looked into was asking</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="164820" data-end="168740">body donation programs about kind of what they do, their operations.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="169620" data-end="173960">We&#8217;ve had donation programs that have refused to be part of the survey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="174270" data-end="180980">Some of them said that their even administration advised them not to participate because that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="180980" data-end="187040">would maybe put them at higher risk and being exposed to kind of what&#8217;s happening, what</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="187040" data-end="187540">they&#8217;re doing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="188020" data-end="192260">Balta is a professor of anatomy and founding director of the <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/elementor-3950/">Anatomy</a> Learning Institute</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="192260" data-end="194440">at Point Loma Nazarene University.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="194970" data-end="199780">He says that we shouldn&#8217;t assume all donation centers are operating illegally or unethically.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="199780" data-end="204920">But there&#8217;s a lot of fear of what could be happening due to this lack of oversight, as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="204920" data-end="206020">well as past cases.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="206640" data-end="210520">Over the years, various companies in this industry have been exposed for using bodies</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="210520" data-end="215060">without consent, illegally selling body parts and desecrating the remains.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="215800" data-end="219780">Some notable cases have involved the bodies of loved ones being sold to the Department</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="219780" data-end="224600">of Defense and used without consent in explosion and vehicle crash testing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="224840" data-end="230560">There should be some law to ensure that illegal activities are not happening and stuff happens</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="230560" data-end="231240">all the time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="231500" data-end="235980">There&#8217;s been, I&#8217;m not going to necessarily name kind of cases, but there&#8217;s multiple cases</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="235980" data-end="240220">that are from last year and the year before and the year before that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="240400" data-end="242280">So we&#8217;re not living in history.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="242600" data-end="248360">This is still happening today and it&#8217;s going to continue to happen until we do regulate</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="248360" data-end="249300">the <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/episode/invisible-genius-1-mathematician-who-carried-america-to-space-katherine-johnson/">space</a>.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="249720" data-end="254560">There&#8217;s always going to be some bad actors that are going to abuse the fact that there</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="254560" data-end="257040">is no oversight for their best interest.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="257560" data-end="262300">In an effort to establish some sort of guidelines, the American Association for Anatomy created</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="262300" data-end="266560">a task force to come up with the best practices and recommended standards.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="267180" data-end="272640">It was published in 2024, but Balta, who is a contributor on the project, says the finished</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="272640" data-end="274640">product was years in the making.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="274920" data-end="279780">It took years to be able to establish a committee and then it took years to build those best</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="279780" data-end="280220">practices.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="280760" data-end="282100">It wasn&#8217;t a short process.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="282480" data-end="285940">There were multiple people involved in that document.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="286420" data-end="289220">Each of us came from different backgrounds.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="289860" data-end="292220">Some of us are faculty teaching anatomy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="293020" data-end="295620">Some of us are administrators of body donation programs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="295760" data-end="301120">I was the director of the body donation program and encyclical services at Ohio State University</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="301120" data-end="301720">at the time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="301720" data-end="305880">With so many different perspectives, Balta says it took a while to create a document</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="305880" data-end="311380">that everyone agreed represented a fair and ethical perspective on human body donation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="311860" data-end="316680">The long process also may have stemmed from the fact that there had never been anything</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="316680" data-end="322500">like this published before, meaning that an entire industry profiting off the sale of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322500" data-end="328260">human remains has been operating without official guidelines and continues to function without</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="328260" data-end="329680">any meaningful oversight.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="329680" data-end="333040">That was the first comprehensive best practices document.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="333800" data-end="337920">Unfortunately, there aren&#8217;t even laws around some of those areas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="338260" data-end="344760">So we are asking people to be ethical and follow best practices, even though there isn&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="344760" data-end="349760">a regulatory body that oversees this and ensures that it&#8217;s being mandated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350000" data-end="355860">We&#8217;re just hoping that people and their leadership would kind of push to use those best practices</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="355860" data-end="360440">to ensure that we&#8217;re advocating for those donors and we&#8217;re treating them in the most</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="360440" data-end="364840">ethical way after they&#8217;ve given their bodies to us, after they&#8217;ve passed.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="365280" data-end="371120">Balta hopes this document informs future legislation, but that dream may be far from coming true.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="371640" data-end="378160">The Uniform Anatomical Gift Act, passed in 1968, is the most universal law we have for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="378160" data-end="378640">donations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="379060" data-end="384860">It mainly dictates who can authorize an anatomical donation and gives guidance on that process.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="384860" data-end="389820">However, it doesn&#8217;t really touch on what the expectations are after a body is donated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="390320" data-end="393280">There&#8217;s kind of some oversight in some states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="393880" data-end="400400">So, for example, there&#8217;s like a board, an anatomical gift board in Florida, that in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="400400" data-end="405720">theory there should be overseeing, but they don&#8217;t have any legal authority to implement</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="405720" data-end="410140">anything.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="405720" data-end="410140">So like if they want to inspect something, they don&#8217;t have the authority to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="410140" data-end="413900">demand that. They don&#8217;t have the authority to enforce something.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="413900" data-end="417220">So there&#8217;s no legal power behind their work.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="417360" data-end="424200">But yeah, different states do have different applications of it and it varies per state,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="424320" data-end="430120">but does not go into the post-donation part when we are working with the donor, when the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="430120" data-end="431480">donor is in the facility.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="431720" data-end="433040">So you have a chain of custody.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="433600" data-end="438720">The donor leaves the mortuary, comes to the facility, and that&#8217;s it when it comes to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="438720" data-end="441320">kind of paperwork until it leaves the facility.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="441880" data-end="446100">There&#8217;s essentially no governing body doing checks on these facilities to make sure that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="446100" data-end="449240">these companies are running their operations safely and ethically.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="449980" data-end="454020">Balta says that most of the cases of illegal activity we know about are because of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="454020" data-end="457520">insider whistleblowers or family members of a donated body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="457880" data-end="460160">That only shows you that there could be more happening.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="460700" data-end="464020">We&#8217;re just waiting for things to kind of come out for us to know about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="464340" data-end="468500">But while this has been the standard of practice in America for decades, Balta says it&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="468500" data-end="470000">much different in other countries.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="470000" data-end="473280">So I trained and taught in Europe.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="473540" data-end="477480">So I studied in Scotland and I taught there and in Ireland.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="477960" data-end="479220">And they have inspectors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="479560" data-end="480920">There&#8217;s an inspector of anatomy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="481220" data-end="486120">Somebody who comes and inspects the facilities, inspects the documentation, has the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="486120" data-end="488300">authority to shut down a body donation program.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="488560" data-end="493560">In the UK, there is the King&#8217;s inspector at the moment of anatomy, and that&#8217;s their</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="493560" data-end="497560">job. There&#8217;s the Human Tissue Act that governs the space.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="497560" data-end="500120">And it&#8217;s well managed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="500440" data-end="504940">You don&#8217;t hear about there aren&#8217;t stories that come out like that over there because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="504940" data-end="509900">there&#8217;s more oversight, because there are people working to ensure that that doesn&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="509900" data-end="515159">happen. Balta says a main hurdle to having those same standards in America is having to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="515159" data-end="517419">get all the states on the same page.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="517919" data-end="519600">I&#8217;m not saying that that&#8217;s a reason not to.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="519679" data-end="521520">What I&#8217;m saying, it just makes it a little bit harder.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="522080" data-end="525160">But also politics is politics.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="525160" data-end="528740">There needs to be a good reason for something to be pushed through the agenda.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="529040" data-end="534660">If it&#8217;s not loud enough, then politicians, I&#8217;m not sure that it&#8217;s going to be going on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="534660" data-end="536960">their agenda, on the priority list of their agenda.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="537340" data-end="538560">And we&#8217;re not even close.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="538800" data-end="543040">We&#8217;re not even kind of having the conversations that hopefully one day we will.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="543160" data-end="545040">We&#8217;re not. We&#8217;re not having that conversation.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="545200" data-end="548560">I think hopefully we&#8217;re able to start that conversation soon.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="549160" data-end="553940">There are a few points Balta thinks need to be at the top of these discussions, one being</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="553940" data-end="555860">how we treat unclaimed bodies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556520" data-end="560320">Earlier this year, Radio Health Journal released a segment revealing the thousands of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="560320" data-end="562900">bodies in America that go unclaimed each year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="563540" data-end="566500">Instead, they&#8217;re left to the state and usually cremated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="567060" data-end="571260">However, most counties are allowed to donate these remains to science without consent</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="571260" data-end="573120">from the deceased or their family.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="573780" data-end="579100">A 2023 paper published in JAMA looking at Texas medical schools found that their use of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="579100" data-end="585360">unclaimed bodies jumped from 64 bodies in 2017 to 446 in 2021.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="586160" data-end="587480">But is that unethical?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="588040" data-end="592400">Since it falls into a gray area for many people, it&#8217;s a topic Balta believes needs more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="592400" data-end="593780">attention and guidance.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="594120" data-end="598740">This body is contributing towards science and benefiting science and advancing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="598740" data-end="604660">medicine. But that&#8217;s not a good enough reason to kind of donate the body or give it</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604660" data-end="608860">away.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604660" data-end="608860">It&#8217;s not even donated, it&#8217;s being given without knowing that this could be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="608860" data-end="612060">somebody who had religious beliefs that could go against that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="612600" data-end="613280">And that&#8217;s not OK.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="613680" data-end="618800">We shouldn&#8217;t be making those decisions for financial reasons, the ethical reasons and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="618800" data-end="621760">considerations of that human body should come first.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="622140" data-end="626600">We can&#8217;t just assume that they&#8217;re OK with it or that because they were unclaimed were</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="626600" data-end="628200">able to benefit from their donation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="628860" data-end="633720">Another priority for Balta is making sure donation programs all have a transparent and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="633720" data-end="635420">standard structure for applications.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="636180" data-end="640020">Consent forms can vary drastically from one institution to the next.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="640540" data-end="644860">Balta says that some completely refuse to disclose how they&#8217;ll use the body once it&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="644860" data-end="650120">donated. Many forms list what types of research could be done to the body, but some</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="650120" data-end="653720">don&#8217;t even give an option to opt out of anything the donor or loved one is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="653720" data-end="654620">uncomfortable with.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="654960" data-end="659020">Yes, it&#8217;s good to know that these are the ways I&#8217;m going to be donating my body to.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="659540" data-end="662320">But can I say I don&#8217;t want to?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="662320" data-end="667360">And I think we might have like a place where they can write comments, but we don&#8217;t give</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="667360" data-end="670780">like a checkmark like yes for this, no for that, yes for that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="671220" data-end="673120">And there are multiple reasons for that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="673220" data-end="675960">But yeah, I think that would be really helpful that people are aware.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="676060" data-end="679220">And in some places, the consent form says it&#8217;s just one sentence.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="679240" data-end="681560">I am donating my body to this donation program.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="681940" data-end="685720">That&#8217;s it doesn&#8217;t go through their rights, doesn&#8217;t go through what&#8217;s going to happen</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="687000" data-end="688820">after disposition of the human remains.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="688820" data-end="693360">Usually forms are multiple pages, but you could have a form that is one sentence.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="693840" data-end="697460">Balta has published research looking through consent forms across the U.S.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="697500" data-end="700600">and notes how drastically these applications can vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="701020" data-end="705960">But if we zoom out and look at the industry as a whole, a larger issue may be the fact</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="705960" data-end="709440">that parts of the human body donation industry are for profit.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="710060" data-end="714960">Balta and the rest of the task force argue in their paper that the most ethical way to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="714960" data-end="719220">be conducting business in this field is to operate under revenue neutrality.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="719840" data-end="724500">While most university programs are nonprofit, there are other companies actively</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="724500" data-end="726660">profiting off the sale of human remains.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="726880" data-end="730640">There are the body donation programs that are staff of a university.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="731200" data-end="735280">There are faculty members, but they don&#8217;t like they&#8217;re not working for themselves.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="735560" data-end="738180">They&#8217;re not trying to make money that they&#8217;re going to benefit from.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="738720" data-end="741520">And hopefully they&#8217;re working towards the revenue neutrality.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="741520" data-end="743600">But that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re trying to push for.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="744100" data-end="747720">The for profit companies don&#8217;t have to think about that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="747860" data-end="749640">They don&#8217;t have to.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="747860" data-end="749640">And some of them are.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="750040" data-end="751480">I don&#8217;t want to kind of lump everybody.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="752040" data-end="753540">Some of them are better than others.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="754120" data-end="757660">Can we say like, oh, we don&#8217;t need those for profit companies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="758220" data-end="762820">We should just rely on body donation programs and like get rid of those.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="763040" data-end="765360">I don&#8217;t know if I could say that, unfortunately.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="766060" data-end="769840">The main hurdle being that universities sometimes need to use these companies to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="769840" data-end="774160">source bodies. Balta says there&#8217;s simply not enough body donation programs at</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="774160" data-end="776100">universities to fill the need.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="776340" data-end="780880">If we had enough body donation programs, we wouldn&#8217;t need to rely on for profit</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780880" data-end="783460">companies.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780880" data-end="783460">And I&#8217;ll give you an example of that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="783660" data-end="788160">This fall, fall 2025, I was not able to request donors</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="788160" data-end="790600">from my local donation programs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="790860" data-end="793040">And that was two weeks before the start of the semester.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="793520" data-end="795540">And I was stuck thinking, what am I going to do?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="795620" data-end="799720">I&#8217;ve written best practices and I don&#8217;t want to go to I don&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="799720" data-end="802620">want to kind of go towards for profit companies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="802700" data-end="804420">And again, some of them are better than others.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="804420" data-end="807680">So there&#8217;s also wisdom in who we work with.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="808300" data-end="812500">But for my own kind of best practice, I would prefer to work with the body donation</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="812500" data-end="817080">program. I communicated with donation programs across the country and I</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="817080" data-end="821900">was willing to have donors come from states that are very far away because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="821900" data-end="824380">I would rather work with donation programs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="824380" data-end="829400">But we don&#8217;t have enough donations happening in donation</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="829400" data-end="833800">programs.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="829400" data-end="833800">Balta says people may choose to donate their body to a company because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="833800" data-end="838160">they cover more costs or are simply the only option someone is aware of.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="838640" data-end="842900">So while Balta&#8217;s ideal world would be that there are no for profit companies in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="842900" data-end="845480">this space, that&#8217;s not realistic right now.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="846120" data-end="849420">You can find more information about Joy Balta and all of our guests on our</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="849420" data-end="851920">website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="851920" data-end="854080">Our writer producer is Kristen Farah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="854400" data-end="856540">Our executive producer is Amira Zaferi.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="856820" data-end="857720">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="863610" data-end="867910">Coming up, the technology that&#8217;s helping trained doctors during war when</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="867910" data-end="869130">RadioHealthJournal returns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="872320" data-end="876060">If you&#8217;ve been diagnosed with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="877680" data-end="881360">This is what it sounds like to be a million miles away.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="883280" data-end="885920">Imagine being a million miles away.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889600" data-end="893740">TRMFYA, Kuselkumab, taken by injection is a prescription medicine for adults</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="893740" data-end="897620">with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis who may benefit from taking injections</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="897620" data-end="899160">or pills or phototherapy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="899640" data-end="902220">With TRMFYA, clearer skin is possible.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="902660" data-end="907700">In clinical trials, at least 70% of patients saw at least 90% clearer skin</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="907700" data-end="908780">at 16 weeks.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="909020" data-end="909780">Results may vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="909980" data-end="913420">TRMFYA is also indicated for adults with active psoriatic arthritis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="913940" data-end="915900">Serious allergic reactions and increased risk of heart disease can be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="915900" data-end="918120">a risk of infections and liver problems may occur.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="918320" data-end="921460">Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="921840" data-end="924740">Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or if you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="924740" data-end="925400">need a vaccine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="925720" data-end="927340">Ask your doctor about TRMFYA.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="927560" data-end="932200">Call 1-800-526-7736 or visit trmfya.com.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="939820" data-end="944240">It&#8217;s been three years since<a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/russias-record-drone-assault-on-ukraine-strikes-kyiv-government-district/"> Russian</a> forces mounted a full scale invasion of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="944240" data-end="944660">Ukraine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="945280" data-end="947780">Today, the fighting there is still in full force.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="947780" data-end="951880">Many citizens have fled the eastern part of the country where the war rages</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="951880" data-end="954160">on or have fled the country altogether.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="955040" data-end="959100">This includes many doctors, which has created a medical crisis for the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="959100" data-end="961040">relatively few doctors that remain.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="961820" data-end="965100">There just aren&#8217;t enough medical specialists left in Ukraine to serve the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="965100" data-end="966140">remaining population.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="966960" data-end="970480">Because of staffing shortages in hospitals and medical centers, patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="970480" data-end="974420">needing specialized care often end up seeing the local pediatrician or a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="974420" data-end="977980">first-year resident who may not know how to address their issues, like a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="977980" data-end="980300">recent heart attack or even an abscessed tooth.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="980620" data-end="983640">We&#8217;re seeing physicians being overwhelmed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="984060" data-end="989600">A lot of physicians have moved from rural areas of Ukraine, so there&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="989600" data-end="991480">definitely a shortage of specialists.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="992480" data-end="998420">And for example, where now we&#8217;re seeing a family physician who has to help</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="998420" data-end="1004980">deliver babies in the basement without any electricity because their town is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1004980" data-end="1008000">surrounded by Russian forces.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1008320" data-end="1013380">So it&#8217;s definitely became very challenging and the resources are scarce</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1013380" data-end="1015400">because the country is at war.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1015800" data-end="1016420">That&#8217;s Dr.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1016480" data-end="1020760">Olga Myhudiak, chief operating officer of Global Medical Knowledge Alliance,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1021020" data-end="1022520">also known as GMKA.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1022940" data-end="1027079">It&#8217;s a nonprofit organization that provides medical training and educational</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1027079" data-end="1029000">webinars for Ukrainian doctors.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1029680" data-end="1033819">MKA was co-founded in 2017 before the war started by Dr.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1033920" data-end="1037940">Nelia Melnichek, an associate surgeon at Brigham and Women&#8217;s Hospital and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1037940" data-end="1040520">assistant professor of surgery at Harvard Medical School.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1041280" data-end="1045420">Seeing what was happening in her beloved country from afar, Melnichek knew she</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1045420" data-end="1047580">had to do something to help her fellow countrymen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1048220" data-end="1052120">That&#8217;s when she heard a story that gave her an idea for a medical app that would</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1052120" data-end="1054680">assist doctors in Ukraine from anywhere in the world.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1054680" data-end="1062080">One of our resident physician was in practicing in a small town and he had a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1062080" data-end="1068360">case with a patient with a tooth abscess and he didn&#8217;t know how to pretty much</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1068360" data-end="1068940">deal with it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1069020" data-end="1073960">So he called his colleague at a bigger hospital in Kiev who guided him through</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1073960" data-end="1076940">the entire procedure via a video call.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1077700" data-end="1082960">And therefore this resident was or junior physician was able to help this</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1082960" data-end="1088580">patient.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1082960" data-end="1088580">And that is how the idea for HealUA app, which provides peer-to-peer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1088580" data-end="1090680">reviews, was created.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1091280" data-end="1095420">With the help of GMKA and a technology company in Ukraine called Impact,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1096100" data-end="1100020">Melnichek created a mobile app called HealUA that provides peer-to-peer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1100020" data-end="1103600">support to medical professionals in Ukraine with other medical professionals</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1103600" data-end="1105400">in the U.S. and around the world.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1105960" data-end="1109900">She knew the tool needed to be a mobile app rather than a computer program so</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1109900" data-end="1112020">that it could be accessed anywhere with a smartphone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1112660" data-end="1116880">Doctors can take a photo of the patient&#8217;s injury or clinical presentation and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1116880" data-end="1118280">submit a case on the spot.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1118920" data-end="1122900">The HealUA app, which can be downloaded for free, was up and running three</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1122900" data-end="1124300">months after the war started.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1124940" data-end="1128780">With this app, isolated Ukrainian physicians can submit a case and get a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1128780" data-end="1131680">second opinion, usually within 24 to 48 hours.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1132060" data-end="1135760">It&#8217;s very hard conditions now in hospitals to work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1136120" data-end="1141940">So it&#8217;s very important when we have someone that could give us any advices and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1141940" data-end="1148120">we really appreciate that we can get this advice very quickly by using HealUA.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1148220" data-end="1155700">Because when we download our cases, we can receive answers very quickly and from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1155700" data-end="1161860">doctors from Ukraine, but also what is very important for us, we have advices</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1161860" data-end="1168820">from doctors from USA and it really helps when, you know, you have doubts what</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1168820" data-end="1174900">to do and especially in a low setting conditions that sometimes we need to work</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1174900" data-end="1182140">through.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1174900" data-end="1182140">So it&#8217;s a wonderful to have opportunity to have a feedback from other</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1182140" data-end="1182660">doctors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1182880" data-end="1187840">That&#8217;s Dr. Olya Kostynchak, an oncology hematologist working in Western Ukraine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1188280" data-end="1192540">She was assigned an unconscious lymphoma patient and didn&#8217;t have the necessary</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1192540" data-end="1194420">experience to provide proper treatment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1194980" data-end="1199200">Luckily, a specialist in Boston was able to provide her with a diagnosis and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1199200" data-end="1201500">treatment protocol through the HealUA app.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1201920" data-end="1208740">He gave the advice with diagnosis steps and what we can do in our setting and also</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1208740" data-end="1210680">how can we manage this patient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1211160" data-end="1217480">And by the way, not only this, but we leave coments about how is this patient</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217480" data-end="1222500">going on now.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217480" data-end="1222500">So it&#8217;s not just for the beginning, but through the whole course of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1222500" data-end="1223660">treatment, this patient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1224080" data-end="1225820">And for me, it&#8217;s just wonderful.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1226320" data-end="1230400">A team at GMKA monitors all submissions to make sure they&#8217;re from verified</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230400" data-end="1231760">physicians on both ends.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1232300" data-end="1235320">They also monitor comments to make sure they&#8217;re medically appropriate.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1236080" data-end="1240500">The founders of GMKA hope to see the app used around the world wherever physician</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1240500" data-end="1244220">and specialist shortages exist, such as in rural India and Africa.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1244880" data-end="1249420">Dr. Daria Kizheb is a Ukrainian physician practicing at a major cancer center in the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1249420" data-end="1252260">United States and offers peer-to-peer review through the app.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1252500" data-end="1256580">She says that while posted cases are complex and that this ability to get a second</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1256580" data-end="1258140">opinion from doctors in the U.S.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1258180" data-end="1262880">is invaluable, she cautions against overstating the role of international expertise.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1263260" data-end="1270660">I would like to not overstate the role of international physicians and expertise in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1270660" data-end="1275580">this, because I think, you know, in Ukraine, there&#8217;s also a good amount of expertise</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1275580" data-end="1277200">where we were not available.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1277320" data-end="1282360">Of course, it&#8217;s very helpful, but I don&#8217;t know that necessarily the patient would die</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1282360" data-end="1284720">in most cases if this was not available.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1285160" data-end="1288780">However, she does think the app helps to expedite Ukrainian patients&#8217; treatments.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1289380" data-end="1294940">One case I can think of is a patient with an advanced form of breast cancer that is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1294940" data-end="1297420">very aggressive, called triple negative breast cancer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1298020" data-end="1304340">And the question was, do we need to do advanced diagnostics for this patient or can we</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1304340" data-end="1305980">just treat them with a targeted drug?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1306420" data-end="1311000">Because the advanced diagnostics, the kind of lumbar puncture and kind of waiting for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1311000" data-end="1312420">the result would have delayed treatment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1312560" data-end="1316320">So I said, you know, in my practice or in our practice, you can just treat with this</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1316320" data-end="1319720">targeted drug. So the patient was able to get treatment faster.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1319920" data-end="1324000">And this is for a condition where, you know, it can progress very quickly and patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1324000" data-end="1329120">can die generally within an average of about three months.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1329600" data-end="1334140">So I think it was useful, my advice for the patient to get treatment sooner.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1334720" data-end="1339040">Majodiak says the greatest challenge in creating the app was translating from Ukrainian to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1339040" data-end="1340200">English and vice versa.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1340680" data-end="1344460">But she says that AI technology provided a quick solve to that problem.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345020" data-end="1349120">You can learn more about the Heal UA app and all of our guests by visiting our website at</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1349120" data-end="1350540">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1351200" data-end="1353240">Our Raider producer this week is Polly Hanson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1353480" data-end="1354960">Our lead producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1355220" data-end="1356940">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1357480" data-end="1358120">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1368900" data-end="1371340">Radio Health Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1375110" data-end="1378930">Protect your home and auto by bundling them with Progressive and you&#8217;ll have a little less</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1378930" data-end="1382470">to worry about.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1378930" data-end="1382470">But we know you&#8217;ll find other things to worry about.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1383030" data-end="1384850">Like that text you just got from your boss.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1394450" data-end="1395610">Yeah, this is bad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1396110" data-end="1399710">Oh, well, at least you protected your home and auto with Progressive, so you don&#8217;t have to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1399710" data-end="1403090">worry about that. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and other insurers not</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1403090" data-end="1403670">available in all states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1408930" data-end="1431000">Downy Rinse fight stubborn odors in just one wash.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1431340" data-end="1433260">When impossible odors get stuck in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1437020" data-end="1438920">That smells good, Ma.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439180" data-end="1439820">What you making?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439820" data-end="1441180">Just a little something.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1441440" data-end="1444380">Collard greens, cornbread, fried chicken and peach cobbler.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1444680" data-end="1445440">Some leftovers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1446660" data-end="1447620">Some leftovers?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1448640" data-end="1452460">Listen, I&#8217;ve been meaning to talk to you about some new COVID information I saw online.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1452600" data-end="1454780">See, because you&#8217;re always on that phone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1455080" data-end="1455840">I&#8217;m serious.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1456460" data-end="1459940">I read that three out of four adults in the United States have a high risk factor for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1459940" data-end="1465000">severe COVID-19 and black folks like us with certain conditions like diabetes, heart</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1465000" data-end="1469660">disease, mental health conditions or being 50 and older, like you, are at high risk.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1469660" data-end="1471480">Boy, you sound like a commercial.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1471580" data-end="1472400">I&#8217;m just saying.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1472800" data-end="1475040">I know you love your ginger teas and essential oils.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475460" data-end="1479140">But remember, there are treatment options for COVID-19 if you ever get it again.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1479640" data-end="1480020">Uh-huh.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480260" data-end="1484300">I promise if I get sick again, I&#8217;ll call my doctor to ask about my options.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484660" data-end="1485520">I love you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1485700" data-end="1486360">I love you, too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1486580" data-end="1487700">I&#8217;m glad we had this talk.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1487920" data-end="1488420">Me, too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1488700" data-end="1489660">Now get out of my kitchen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1491860" data-end="1494040">Visit wetalkwerise.com to learn more.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1494320" data-end="1495380">Brought to you by Pfizer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1498900" data-end="1500600">Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1501120" data-end="1504900">We can diagnose food allergies earlier than ever before.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1505560" data-end="1509740">Since blood tests have high rates of false positives, the current standard for diagnosing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1509740" data-end="1513200">a food allergy is consuming the product in front of a physician.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513980" data-end="1518240">However, a study in the Journal of Clinical Investigation could change this process</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1518240" data-end="1518820">altogether.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1519500" data-end="1524460">Researchers found that measuring water loss from the skin can predict a severe reaction</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1524460" data-end="1525360">to food quicker and more quickly.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1525360" data-end="1527620">This means that food can be consumed earlier and easier than current testing methods.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1528080" data-end="1530240">Yet another reason to eat more produce.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1530880" data-end="1536760">Fruits and vegetables contain compounds called flavonoids, which have anti-cancer, antioxidant,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1536840" data-end="1538520">and anti-inflammatory properties.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1539040" data-end="1544360">Research published in the journal Endocrinology shows how flavonoids may reduce the risk and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1544360" data-end="1546100">severity of endometriosis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1546840" data-end="1550860">Researchers hope this connection will help drug development for the painful condition.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1551530" data-end="1555320">And finally, should grade school classrooms be more active?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1556040" data-end="1560700">Literacy skills are usually taught to young kids while seated at a desk, but this may</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1560700" data-end="1563140">be hindering their ability to absorb the information.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1563760" data-end="1568780">Research in the journal Educational Psychology Review studied 57 first-graders in Denmark.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1569400" data-end="1573480">One group of students learned how to sound out letters at a desk, while the other group</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1573480" data-end="1575940">used their body to act out the shape of the letter.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1576440" data-end="1580420">The kids whose learning involved movement doubled their test scores in spelling and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1580420" data-end="1582960">letter recognition after just four weeks.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1583640" data-end="1585440">And that&#8217;s Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1585880" data-end="1587420">I&#8217;m Mayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1587780" data-end="1590400">A KFC tale in the pursuit of flavor.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1590760" data-end="1592480">The holidays were tricky for the colonel.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1592720" data-end="1595180">He loved people, but he also loved peace and quiet.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1595440" data-end="1601060">So he cooked up KFC&#8217;s $4.99 chicken pot pie, warm, flaky, with savory sauce and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1601060" data-end="1605680">vegetables.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1601060" data-end="1605680">It&#8217;s a tender, chicken-filled excuse to get some time to yourself and step</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1605680" data-end="1607020">away from decking the halls.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1607020" data-end="1608280">Whatever that means.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1608680" data-end="1610800">The colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1611360" data-end="1612600">KFC&#8217;s chicken pot pie.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1612780" data-end="1614720">The best $4.99 you&#8217;ll spend this season.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1614860" data-end="1616640">Prices and participation may vary while supplies last.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1616720" data-end="1617580">Texas Tips and Fees Extra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1617960" data-end="1621940">Progressive has great customer service and it&#8217;s easy to reach us because great and easy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1621940" data-end="1622680">is the way to be.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1622940" data-end="1623540">Like salads.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1623840" data-end="1627540">Great for you and so easy you can put any group of veggies in a bowl and it&#8217;s a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1627740" data-end="1629540">A full carrot with a head of cabbage.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1629880" data-end="1631400">Weird, but still a salad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1631700" data-end="1633180">One radish and a couple of green beans.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1633340" data-end="1634060">Also a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1634380" data-end="1636380">Fourteen blueberries, half an onion and a sunchoke.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1636380" data-end="1638620">Odd, yes, but an odd salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1639460" data-end="1642500">So contact Progressive&#8217;s customer service by phone, app or online.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1642700" data-end="1644940">It&#8217;s great and easy, just like salad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1645400" data-end="1647000">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1650060" data-end="1654280">Thank you for joining us this week and every week as we break down the science stories</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1654280" data-end="1655100">you need to know.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1655500" data-end="1659980">You can find all of our past segments and guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org</span></span> <span 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		<title>Private Equity&#8217;s Grip on Health Care and the Push for Mental Health Literacy</title>
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									<p> </p><p> </p><p data-start="191" data-end="215"><strong data-start="191" data-end="213">Major Takeaways:</strong></p><ul data-start="216" data-end="710"><li data-start="216" data-end="395"><p data-start="218" data-end="395">Private equity’s growing control in health care often leads to cost-cutting, layoffs, and declining patient outcomes as firms prioritize short-term profit over long-term care.</p></li><li data-start="396" data-end="546"><p data-start="398" data-end="546">Some states are moving toward regulating ownership transparency and curbing risky financial practices that jeopardize hospitals and nursing homes.</p></li><li data-start="547" data-end="710"><p data-start="549" data-end="710">Advocates like Annie Sleese push for mental health literacy in schools to help families and educators identify early signs of mental illness and reduce stigma.</p></li></ul><h2 class="entry-title"> Profit Over Patients: Are Private Equity Firms Ruining Healthcare?</h2><p><span 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data-end="128070">And with the chaos of life, it&#8217;s easy to quickly pay it without ever truly looking at the breakdown</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="128070" data-end="128710">of cost.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="129250" data-end="132850">Unfortunately, the industry knows this and can take advantage of it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="133450" data-end="138770">Lynn Unruh, Professor Emerita at the University of Central Florida, experienced this firsthand</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="138770" data-end="141030">after seeking help for her spinal issues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="141030" data-end="143750">My visit was all of five minutes or less.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="144370" data-end="149410">He misdiagnosed me, but did thankfully send me to a physical therapist, and the physical</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="149410" data-end="154390">therapist did a good half-hour assessment and diagnosed me properly.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="155270" data-end="161070">And I wasn&#8217;t happy with this guy, so I asked for, you know, you have to contact the office</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="161070" data-end="163870">and ask them for the record of your visit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="164290" data-end="168470">And they are, by law, I believe, you&#8217;re entitled to get this record.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="168470" data-end="174870">In a surprise twist, Unruh&#8217;s record detailed a much different visit than the one she had experienced.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="175310" data-end="181570">He said I had a half an hour visit and that he did a systematic neurological examination</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="181570" data-end="184030">on me, which he did not do.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="184190" data-end="188430">He basically looked at the way I walked in and said, oh, you&#8217;ve got sacroiliitis and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="188430" data-end="189330">blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="189750" data-end="194990">And he did my knee reflexes, and that was about it, versus what the physical therapist</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="194990" data-end="197950">did, that there&#8217;s all this whole big, long thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="197950" data-end="203610">So anyway, he lied, and he charged Medicare for a 30-minute visit when he saw me for less</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="203610" data-end="204550">than five minutes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="205030" data-end="210050">Unruh was a victim of upcoding, a type of medical billing fraud when providers intentionally</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="210530" data-end="213590">submit wrong billing codes to increase their revenue.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="213930" data-end="216510">It&#8217;s quite common and has a costly effect.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="216990" data-end="222550">In fact, a 2024 paper estimates that the practice of upcoding was associated with more than</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="222550" data-end="226490">$14 billion in hospital payments in 2019.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="227130" data-end="232630">Unfortunately, it&#8217;s only become more pronounced in recent years, a rise that may be attributed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="232630" data-end="236710">to the uptick in investments from private equity firms in the health care space.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237250" data-end="237530">Why?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237990" data-end="241550">Because it&#8217;s a simple way to increase revenue that often goes unnoticed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="241970" data-end="246130">And as we&#8217;ve seen from private equities involvement in this industry, the main focus</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="246130" data-end="247810">is making a quick profit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="248430" data-end="251730">Private equity is investing everywhere in health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="251730" data-end="258829">It started in some of the urgent care center areas in hospitals and nursing homes, but</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="258829" data-end="263170">it&#8217;s also gone into doctor&#8217;s offices, which are all of the specialties.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="263630" data-end="269410">There&#8217;s pretty much not a physician specialty that you can name that it isn&#8217;t invested in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="269910" data-end="272550">Investments in health care are usually seen as a positive.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="273030" data-end="276270">So why is there a negative connotation around private equity involvement?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="276270" data-end="282170">Well, because most reports, like Unruh&#8217;s 2025 review published in the journal Health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="282170" data-end="286870">Policy, aren&#8217;t finding many good outcomes in the wake of a private equity takeover.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="287350" data-end="293110">Out of 21 studies that we found on health care quality and patient outcomes, only one</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="293110" data-end="296730">nursing home study and one hospital study found that they were better.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="297070" data-end="299970">The outcomes were better in private equity facilities.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="300510" data-end="305850">One hospital study and a couple other studies found no difference in system outcomes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="305850" data-end="307430">And some found mixed results.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="307830" data-end="313330">But like we say, most of the mixed results studies were mostly negative.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="314030" data-end="320230">So when you look at out of 21, really only six were not bad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="320730" data-end="321770">It&#8217;s not a lot.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322310" data-end="326730">The global investment firm KKR and Company has one of the few good examples.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="327150" data-end="333390">Their acquisition of HCA Healthcare in 2006 showed a significant reduction in patient mortality.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="333390" data-end="336730">However, they declined our interview request for this segment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="337430" data-end="341870">The Private Equity Stakeholder Project is a watchdog organization that specializes in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="341870" data-end="345350">researching the effects that the industry has on people and the planet.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="345830" data-end="347390">It covers a range of factors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="347870" data-end="349650">And one specific topic is health care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350190" data-end="354390">Michael Fenney, a senior policy coordinator at the organization, says that they&#8217;re also</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="354390" data-end="358290">not seeing many positive outcomes of private equity investments in health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="358290" data-end="365670">They may be out there, but what we&#8217;ve observed is that the incentives that private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="365670" data-end="370810">firms operate under don&#8217;t align with long-term care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="371150" data-end="375930">Instead of working towards a long-term vision, Matthew Parr, the communications director</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="375930" data-end="380410">for the Private Equity Stakeholder Project, says that private equity firms tend to buy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="380410" data-end="384010">and sell their investments in an average of five to seven years.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="384010" data-end="388550">These private equity firms have a set revenue goal that they&#8217;re trying to get out of a company,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="389030" data-end="390350">and they&#8217;re trying to do it very quickly.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="390950" data-end="394930">And because they sell off these companies after about five to seven years or transfer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="394930" data-end="399490">them to another private equity firm, sometimes they take them public or these companies go</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="399490" data-end="403530">bankrupt, what have you, after that short period of time, they don&#8217;t really have a stake</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="403530" data-end="404550">in that company anymore.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="404850" data-end="408650">And so if the firm has gotten its profit, they can sell that company off.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="408650" data-end="414330">And they didn&#8217;t really have to invest in a lot of long-term strategies for the long-term</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="414330" data-end="415370">benefit of the company.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="416050" data-end="419850">That becomes a problem a lot of times with health care, because health care is inherently</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="419850" data-end="423790">a long-term industry and health is a long-term aspect.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="424250" data-end="429270">So it&#8217;s not necessarily the investment that&#8217;s a problem, but the strategies they use to make</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="429270" data-end="431290">the most profit in a short amount of time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="431830" data-end="436990">And because of how these firms buy in, they get full operating control, despite in most</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="436990" data-end="439890">cases not having any significant knowledge of health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="440350" data-end="446990">So private equity firms typically do full control buyouts of companies or assets or</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="446990" data-end="447590">things like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="447670" data-end="452190">So it&#8217;s a little different than venture capital or other types of investing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="452370" data-end="456110">While they may buy a few shares or they may just own a part of a company, private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="456110" data-end="459750">tends to get a controlling equity interest in the company.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="459870" data-end="464490">So they have operational control and they&#8217;re able to enforce decisions at the places that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="464490" data-end="465010">they purchase.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="465010" data-end="467950">They&#8217;re not people who have any health care background.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="468690" data-end="475950">So, for example, Blackstone, which invests in real estate, is a big investor in health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="475950" data-end="477310">equity and health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="477910" data-end="483250">They don&#8217;t know anything about running a health care institution, but that&#8217;s who&#8217;s investing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="483250" data-end="483670">in it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="483990" data-end="488550">Research shows that the typical game plan private equity firms use once they&#8217;ve acquired</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="488550" data-end="491630">an institution usually starts with cutting staff.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="491630" data-end="497050">They also typically focus on the more profitable services, often driving up the prices on those</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="497050" data-end="500050">while completely cutting the ones that don&#8217;t make as much money.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="500410" data-end="504370">So we see a lot of private equity investment in dentistry, for instance, because a lot</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="504370" data-end="509170">of times there is dental insurance, but there&#8217;s a lot of cash flow, people paying cash for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="509170" data-end="509610">procedures.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="509790" data-end="512190">And so that&#8217;s easy profit for a private equity firm.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="512809" data-end="519150">And so you couple cutting costs with trying to eke out profit and not a lot of kind of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="519150" data-end="520450">future thinking investment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="520450" data-end="525730">In addition, private equity firms do this tactic called the leverage buyout.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="525790" data-end="530250">And what that means is that they actually don&#8217;t put a lot of money into the companies</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="530250" data-end="531270">that they purchase.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="531410" data-end="532310">They use a lot of debt.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="532890" data-end="536630">Which means that the firm use very little of its own money in these purchases.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="537390" data-end="542570">Another bonus to this tactic is that the debt gets placed on the company they buy, not the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="542570" data-end="543190">firm itself.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="543710" data-end="546210">A very popular case right now is Walgreens.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="546210" data-end="549870">Walgreens just got bought out by a private equity firm, Sycamore Partners.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="550390" data-end="556330">Just over 70 percent of that Walgreens acquisition was actually financed by debt and not from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556330" data-end="557750">money from Sycamore Partners.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="558090" data-end="561810">But Walgreens is now going to be on the hook for paying that debt, not the private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="561810" data-end="563130">firm that owns Walgreens.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="563330" data-end="568530">So in the case of hospitals or nursing homes or in Walgreens case, you now have cutting</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="568530" data-end="570150">costs trying to drive profit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="570210" data-end="572050">In addition, high amounts of debt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="572050" data-end="577850">This strategy has been the cause of the financial ruin of many health care institutions owned</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="577850" data-end="579190">by private equity firms.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="579710" data-end="584870">In fact, the Private Equity Stakeholder Project reports that seven of the eight largest health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="584870" data-end="588390">care bankruptcies in 2024 were backed by these firms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="588950" data-end="593050">They also resulted in more than 65,000 layoffs across America.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="593530" data-end="599090">So if these practices are leading to worse patient care, bankruptcies and closures, are</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="599090" data-end="603550">we on a fast track to a destabilized health care system with even less patient access</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="603550" data-end="604590">than we have today?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="605270" data-end="608830">Parr says it&#8217;s a fear that&#8217;s only grown with the recent Walgreens acquisition.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="609410" data-end="611430">Patients have such direct access to Walgreens.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="611550" data-end="613110">It&#8217;s in nearly every community.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="613630" data-end="617510">Many rural communities only have a Walgreens for pharmacy access.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="618270" data-end="624450">And so if you take what we&#8217;ve seen traditionally and historically with these firms and extrapolate</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="624450" data-end="626630">it to Walgreens, which is in almost every community.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="626630" data-end="632510">And if Walgreens does fail, because like we&#8217;ve seen other health care companies fail, you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="632510" data-end="637450">have direct lifelines in communities all over the country that will lose access to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="637450" data-end="637810">health care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="638390" data-end="643090">Thankfully, Fenney says some states have started to move towards increasing ownership transparency</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="643570" data-end="646370">and pre-transaction review for the private market.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="646510" data-end="651730">So if a private equity firm proposes a deal in which it acquires a health care provider,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="651730" data-end="656690">it would have to receive review and approval from the appropriate state entity.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="657130" data-end="663770">We&#8217;ve also seen states are starting to consider limits on certain practices by private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="663770" data-end="670830">firms, including limits on sale-leaseback transactions and dividend recapitalizations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="671790" data-end="677430">And then states have also started to consider reinvigorating longstanding corporate practice</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="677430" data-end="682850">of medicine laws, which keep clinical decisions with medical professionals instead of the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="682850" data-end="684090">corporations that own them.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="684530" data-end="688970">You can find more information about Matthew Parr, Michael Fenney, Lynn Unruh, and all of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="688970" data-end="691970">our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="692410" data-end="694090">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="694270" data-end="696450">Our executive producer is Amir Ozaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="696870" data-end="697850">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="704480" data-end="707720">Coming up, should mental health literacy be taught in school?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="707720" data-end="709660">When Radio Health Journal returns.</span></span> </p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="778360" data-end="783100">Some mental health conditions have become cultural buzzwords like anxiety and depression,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="783400" data-end="787900">while others have set the stage for blockbuster movies like the 2016 film Split.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="788500" data-end="791340">And though public awareness of mental illness has increased,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="791660" data-end="794040">can the same be said for public understanding?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="794780" data-end="799040">Annie Sleese is the co-founder and CEO of the Mental Health Literacy Collaborative,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="799340" data-end="801080">a national nonprofit organization.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="801080" data-end="806260">She believes education needs to be a foundational component of any mental health initiative,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="806560" data-end="807580">especially in schools.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="808120" data-end="812000">Though she&#8217;s now a leader in this movement, there was a time when Sleese was a parent,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="812540" data-end="815700">unaware of how much she needed this knowledge in her own life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="815940" data-end="822280">I was teaching 90 students a year and directing two musicals a year every year</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="822280" data-end="826860">and continued to do that while my child&#8217;s condition deteriorated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="826860" data-end="831140">And within a couple of years, I was navigating the prison system</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="831140" data-end="835260">as a direct result of my child&#8217;s unmet mental health needs</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="835260" data-end="840460">turning into substance misuse and being in the wrong place at the wrong time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="840980" data-end="846280">In 2010, Sleese was navigating how to be a teacher and primary caregiver to her two children,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="846500" data-end="850600">while dealing with what she thought was the typical teenage rough patch with her oldest,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="850780" data-end="852040">who&#8217;d just graduated high school.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="852660" data-end="856240">Looking back now, there are so many signs Sleese can see clear as day,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="856240" data-end="859080">but before she had any real understanding of mental illness,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="859380" data-end="863140">she dismissed even the stranger ones as personality quirks they&#8217;d grow out of.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="863280" data-end="867680">What I think I should have recognized, and had I had training, I would have known,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="868000" data-end="869800">was my child was fearful.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="870320" data-end="873140">I found butter knives in the couch.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="873560" data-end="875700">And I would ask, you know, what happened here?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="875720" data-end="878380">Was someone buttering a bagel in the living room?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="878480" data-end="878780">You know, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="879320" data-end="880660">And that wasn&#8217;t it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="880780" data-end="882760">It was, oh no, that&#8217;s mine, mom.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="882840" data-end="884140">It&#8217;s for me to feel safer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="884140" data-end="886400">And I thought, what do you mean safer?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="886980" data-end="887740">We have a house.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="887900" data-end="888700">We&#8217;re locking the doors.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="888780" data-end="889460">We have security.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889540" data-end="890240">What&#8217;s going on?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="890740" data-end="894200">And what I didn&#8217;t realize was my child was feeling paranoia.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="894560" data-end="902240">My child was feeling signs of unsettled, being able to discern reality from things that weren&#8217;t real.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="902600" data-end="907840">So that fear manifested itself in bringing a butter knife around.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="908500" data-end="911840">By the time Sleese realized that her child was experiencing a mental illness,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="911840" data-end="916000">they were 18 and able to fight against the inpatient program she requested.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="916600" data-end="918920">Instead, they compromised on an outpatient treatment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="919380" data-end="920760">I was like, wait, I&#8217;m the mom.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="921380" data-end="923060">And they were like, yeah, but your child&#8217;s 18.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="923340" data-end="927240">So your child decided that that&#8217;s not going to work, so this is what we&#8217;re going to do.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="927760" data-end="933300">When we did that, it was in that facility as an outpatient that my child accessed a firearm,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="933900" data-end="938820">got it from another person receiving care during a parking lot smoke break,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="938820" data-end="942940">just going outside, getting fresh air, and buying a firearm out of the trunk of someone&#8217;s car.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="943420" data-end="946540">My child brought it home, and then my 13-year-old found it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="946860" data-end="952680">So I was trying to manage this distress internally, quietly, and obviously deeply stigmatized.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="952960" data-end="958820">So two years go by, and the thing that made me actually do something was the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="959400" data-end="963580">When that happened, my eyes were just opened, and I was like, oh, my gosh,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="963620" data-end="968160">there is so much parallel between what happened and what was going on in my house.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="968160" data-end="970560">Now, there are great differences, too.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="971100" data-end="975500">The perpetrator in that incident had a very different sort of set of circumstances,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="976000" data-end="980360">but the mother I definitely connected and could relate to.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="980760" data-end="985700">The mother was said to have been fearful, and I was fearful at that point.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="986100" data-end="990380">She started building a community through a blog, and though it was making an impact,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="990600" data-end="996300">Sleese realized the hypocrisy of her fight to normalize mental health issues while hiding from her own story.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="996300" data-end="1000760">It was anonymous. I was talking all about the stigma of mental health,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1000840" data-end="1007600">yet not willing to tell anybody my name or what I did or where I live because deeply stigmatized I was.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1007920" data-end="1012240">But over time, I got a lot of people reaching out from all over the world saying,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1012460" data-end="1015380">this sounds a whole lot like someone I know, or this sounds like my story,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1015420" data-end="1017240">or my family went through something like this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1017660" data-end="1020700">And as that happened, it just built and built and built,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1020840" data-end="1025700">and I realized that there was work to be done, and maybe I could help do it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1025700" data-end="1031540">She started by helping Sandy Hook Promise roll out their Know the Signs school programs in 2016.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1032300" data-end="1034500">Soon after, Sleese decided to go all in.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1034960" data-end="1038740">She quit her job teaching and became the Director of Advocacy and Education</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1038740" data-end="1041420">at the National Alliance on Mental Illness in Delaware.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1041900" data-end="1046940">My role at NAMI allowed me to, first of all, learn all the facts I didn&#8217;t know,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1047240" data-end="1053100">and share them with parents like me, with individuals like my child, with community leaders,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1053100" data-end="1057100">and then to advocate for policies that would make lives better.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1057800" data-end="1061520">And when I did that, that&#8217;s really what brought me to what I&#8217;m doing now,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1061840" data-end="1068440">because doing that policy piece allowed me to recognize the influence that policy can have,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1068500" data-end="1071680">the positive work that can be done, but also the gaps.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1072380" data-end="1075680">And what my work does now is address one of those gaps.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1076280" data-end="1077960">Which is mental health literacy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1077960" data-end="1083840">Understanding what mental illness is and being able to recognize the signs in yourself and others.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1084540" data-end="1088580">More than 30 states have some sort of mental health education policy in place,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1088740" data-end="1092420">but Sleese says there&#8217;s no universal framework for what should be taught.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1092900" data-end="1095780">On top of that, it&#8217;s hard for teachers to follow a policy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1095780" data-end="1099180">and explain something that they themselves don&#8217;t truly understand.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1099600" data-end="1104460">Just like me, having been a teacher my whole career and not being able to help my own child,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1104460" data-end="1108820">most educators don&#8217;t get this information, most educators aren&#8217;t trained in this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1109200" data-end="1112820">So whether or not you have a policy in place that requires something,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1113080" data-end="1115760">or you just have people who want to do it,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1116140" data-end="1121220">you still need to have the background, the foundation, the confidence around this topic</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1121220" data-end="1124580">that&#8217;s needed to provide the information thoughtfully.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1125000" data-end="1130460">The gap between policy and action is what the Mental Health Literacy Collaborative is helping to close.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1130460" data-end="1135880">We&#8217;re trying to elevate this framework that has been in existence for decades,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1136040" data-end="1142440">but we&#8217;re trying to elevate it as a potential roadmap for school education systems</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1142440" data-end="1145040">to implement mental health education universally.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1145640" data-end="1150160">And doing that with that framework allows people to understand kind of four big ideas</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1150160" data-end="1153940">and to make those ideas suitable for the audience.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1154240" data-end="1158540">It&#8217;s understanding how to foster and maintain positive mental health,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1158540" data-end="1161740">understanding common disorders and their treatments,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1162400" data-end="1164500">understanding how to seek help effectively,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1165060" data-end="1167740">and understanding stigma and how to reduce it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1168100" data-end="1172640">Sleese believes that just simply being aware of a few statistics can make a huge difference.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1173160" data-end="1179020">In fact, she thinks that if she knew nearly half of all lifetime mental disorders begin by the age of 14,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1179500" data-end="1183460">she would have reacted much differently to her child&#8217;s odd behaviors early on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1183460" data-end="1189480">That fact alone, I think, would have changed the trajectory of my child&#8217;s life</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1189480" data-end="1192120">if I had known that raising my child.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1192420" data-end="1194860">Because I think I would have recognized far sooner.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1195300" data-end="1199720">Because looking back, there were signs way earlier than age of 18.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1200320" data-end="1205900">But I would have also pushed back on discussions with physicians when I was asked,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1205980" data-end="1210980">or with therapists, because there was therapy on and off throughout my child&#8217;s growing up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1211440" data-end="1214240">But every time I would say, I think it&#8217;s more than this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1214320" data-end="1215520">I think this is going on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1215720" data-end="1218040">I would be told, we&#8217;re in the normal range.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1218120" data-end="1218880">This is all fine.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1218940" data-end="1219800">Mom, this is fine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1219920" data-end="1220800">Everything&#8217;s fine, Mom.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1221000" data-end="1223940">I would be called Mom, which was very annoying to me.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1224100" data-end="1230000">But also, I was sort of put in my place, and I didn&#8217;t know that I could be the expert of my child.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230300" data-end="1232060">I thought, they&#8217;re the expert.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1232560" data-end="1233780">They have the MD degree.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1234180" data-end="1235800">I should just sit down and be quiet.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1235800" data-end="1242060">And so one of my biggest lessons, I think, is to remind people that you&#8217;re the expert of your child.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1242520" data-end="1243120">You know.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1243500" data-end="1248800">And if you don&#8217;t feel like this particular diagnosis or this particular treatment plan</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1248800" data-end="1251740">or this particular situation is right, speak up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1252020" data-end="1254260">And if they&#8217;re not listening, speak to somebody else.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1254600" data-end="1259060">Sleese says mental health literacy isn&#8217;t just for parents and teachers to notice and understand.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1259520" data-end="1262960">She believes it can and should be taught to kids of all ages.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1262960" data-end="1268560">The messaging may change when talking to a third grader versus a high schooler, but the outcome is the same.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1269060" data-end="1272540">Understanding the brain, emotions, and overall health.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1272960" data-end="1276200">Let&#8217;s hope that by the age of, I don&#8217;t know, 9 and 10,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1276640" data-end="1281860">we have young people who understand that health conditions happen in all parts of our body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1282280" data-end="1285540">Sometimes we get sick, and it&#8217;s our heart that&#8217;s sick.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1285640" data-end="1287580">Sometimes we get sick, it&#8217;s our stomach that&#8217;s sick.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1287660" data-end="1289620">Sometimes we get sick, it&#8217;s our brain that&#8217;s sick.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1289620" data-end="1295400">That&#8217;s the idea of mental health literacy, is it&#8217;s just a piece of health literacy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1295660" data-end="1300320">Something that young people and people of all ages have been building.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1300920" data-end="1305520">We understand really common things, like no one shies away from a broken bone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1305960" data-end="1307900">If you have a broken arm, people don&#8217;t go,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1308000" data-end="1311100">oh no, I can&#8217;t talk about that, don&#8217;t tell me about that broken bone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1311400" data-end="1314180">We have a general idea of what happens with a broken bone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1314540" data-end="1317180">We also understand, because we understand the treatment,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1317180" data-end="1319960">we understand that after you wear that cast for a little while,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1320080" data-end="1323340">that cast is going to come off, and your arm&#8217;s going to look kind of like it did before,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1323440" data-end="1324200">and it&#8217;s going to be okay.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1324720" data-end="1326700">That&#8217;s our health literacy in action.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1327240" data-end="1331120">What we&#8217;re trying to do is add the piece of health literacy that&#8217;s been missing,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1331480" data-end="1334240">mental health literacy, and young people can learn it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1334360" data-end="1338460">One argument that pushes back against including mental health literacy in school</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1338460" data-end="1342200">is the idea that teachers aren&#8217;t qualified to be speaking about the brain.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1342500" data-end="1345080">And though it&#8217;s true they&#8217;re usually not neurologists,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345080" data-end="1347420">Sleese says that with the right tools and resources,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1347740" data-end="1351260">they can confidently and accurately teach a foundational understanding</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1351640" data-end="1354280">of mental health that can be extremely impactful.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1354860" data-end="1358080">You can find more information about the Mental Health Literacy Collaborative,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1358340" data-end="1362060">Annie Sleese, and all of our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1362480" data-end="1364220">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1364420" data-end="1366200">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1366660" data-end="1367320">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1375990" data-end="1378370">RadioHealth Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1382640" data-end="1385080">This is the sound of captivity.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1387720" data-end="1389920">This is the sound of rescue.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1391420" data-end="1394200">And this is the sound of freedom.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1395240" data-end="1398640">Give Armenia&#8217;s captive bears a second chance</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1398640" data-end="1401400">by supporting International Animal Rescue.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1401860" data-end="1408880">Call 508-826-1083 or search The Great Bear Rescue to learn more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1410760" data-end="1413280">Whoa, it&#8217;s you, the Capital One bank guy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1413380" data-end="1414480">That&#8217;s what they call me.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1414600" data-end="1415700">Mind if I get a selfie?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416000" data-end="1416760">Yeah, sure thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416940" data-end="1420100">Say, no fees or minimums on your Capital One checking account.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1420720" data-end="1421780">Wow, that&#8217;s a keeper.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1422480" data-end="1423840">So, where are you heading?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1424020" data-end="1426600">I&#8217;m off to spread the good news that Capital One helps people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1426600" data-end="1429240">keep more money in their wallet with no overdraft fees.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1429440" data-end="1431300">You&#8217;re the best Capital One bank guy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1431440" data-end="1432780">Hey, mind if I get a selfie?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1433020" data-end="1433460">Sure.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1433920" data-end="1436560">Say, Capital One, what&#8217;s in your wallet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1436560" data-end="1437220">Terms apply.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1437420" data-end="1439040">See CapitalOne.com slash bank for details.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439240" data-end="1440340">Capital One and a member FDIC.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1441040" data-end="1444440">Behold, the Colonel&#8217;s giant KFC chicken sandwich.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1444660" data-end="1447320">A towering, extra-crispy monument to flavor.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1447960" data-end="1451360">Such a huge amount of juicy, hand-breaded KFC chicken</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1451360" data-end="1453760">at a pretty tiny $3.99 price</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1453760" data-end="1456740">for the Colonel&#8217;s KFC chicken sandwich.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1457380" data-end="1460840">I mean, $3.99 isn&#8217;t even worthy of the same epic soundtrack as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1460840" data-end="1464100">the KFC chicken sandwich for only $3.99.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1464520" data-end="1467060">The Colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1467580" data-end="1469420">Prices and participation vary while supplies last.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1469500" data-end="1470420">Taxes, tips, and fees extra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1471120" data-end="1472780">Progressive has great customer service,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1472940" data-end="1475760">and it&#8217;s easy to reach us because great and easy is the way to be.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475960" data-end="1477580">Like salads.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475960" data-end="1477580">Great for you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1477680" data-end="1479900">And so easy you can put any group of veggies in a bowl</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1479900" data-end="1480640">and it&#8217;s a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480980" data-end="1482660">A full carrot with a head of cabbage?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1483020" data-end="1484520">Weird, but still a salad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484860" data-end="1486300">One radish and a couple of green beans?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1486480" data-end="1487180">Also a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1487460" data-end="1489520">14 blueberries, half an onion, and a sunchoke?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1489780" data-end="1491760">Odd, yes, but an odd salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1491760" data-end="1494300">So contact Progressive&#8217;s customer service</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1494300" data-end="1495620">by phone, app, or online.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1495820" data-end="1498040">It&#8217;s great and easy, just like salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1498420" data-end="1500120">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company &amp; Appellants.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1503520" data-end="1505220">Medical Notes this week.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1505720" data-end="1508120">Why does asthma differ between genders?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1508960" data-end="1511640">Research shows that the condition starts at different times,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1511860" data-end="1513080">presents with different symptoms,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513340" data-end="1516100">and responds differently to treatment between men and women.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1516560" data-end="1519820">A new study examined this divergence at a genetic level</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1519820" data-end="1522100">and identified 61 genes</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1522100" data-end="1525540">that have significantly different expressions related to asthma.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1526100" data-end="1528300">Surprisingly, this research also revealed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1528300" data-end="1531900">that the condition changes depending on age and tissue type, too.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1532340" data-end="1536780">The research is published in the American Journal of Respiratory Cell and Molecular Biology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1537760" data-end="1540280">Does a doctor need to be present on every flight?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1540860" data-end="1542700">New research in JAMA Network Open</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1542700" data-end="1545900">analyzed how frequent medical emergencies are in the air.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1546340" data-end="1548260">Between 2022 and 2023,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1548260" data-end="1551040">they reviewed medical calls from 84 airlines</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1551040" data-end="1553520">that flew more than 3 billion passengers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1554260" data-end="1558300">It turns out that one in every 212 flights have a medical emergency.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1559000" data-end="1560300">However, most are minor,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1560580" data-end="1563960">and only about 8% were taken to the hospital after landing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1564620" data-end="1568500">And finally, daydreaming may be the key to getting a promotion.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1569180" data-end="1571560">A new study in the Journal of Management argues</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1571560" data-end="1575160">that letting the mind wander increases the chance of epiphanies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1575160" data-end="1578900">These aha moments shape how people navigate their careers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1579440" data-end="1582780">Creating more epiphanies could heighten a person&#8217;s sense of purpose</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1582780" data-end="1584420">and drive within their career.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1585040" data-end="1586860">And that&#8217;s Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1587260" data-end="1588800">I&#8217;m Mayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1589500" data-end="1592100">Whatever your vision for holiday decorating,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1592420" data-end="1595280">the Home Depot has what you need to bring it to life.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1595620" data-end="1599100">Like our warm white holiday lights with steady-lit technology,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1599460" data-end="1602680">so your lights stay glowing even if one bulb fails.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1602680" data-end="1605340">Whether you&#8217;re going for a soft warm glow</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1605340" data-end="1608040">or a colorful display of holiday cheer,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1608460" data-end="1610860">choose from our wide variety of holiday lights</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1610860" data-end="1613540">starting at $5 in-store only.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1613880" data-end="1617520">Find everything you need to get your holiday started with the Home Depot.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1621510" data-end="1624390">Ah, that&#8217;s the sound of someone who&#8217;s misplaced&#8230;</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1624390" data-end="1625270">My debit card.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1625390" data-end="1626110">&#8230;their debit card.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1626290" data-end="1627310">Where did I leave that thing?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1627390" data-end="1630170">Not at the gas pump, or the checkout counter,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1630750" data-end="1632070">or the roof of your car.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1633070" data-end="1635150">Now, if he has the Chase mobile app,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1635150" data-end="1636310">he can use Card Lock.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1636750" data-end="1638170">Wait, I could just lock my card.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1638370" data-end="1641010">Yep, just a few tippy-taps on his phone and&#8230;</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1641830" data-end="1642630">That sound?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1642950" data-end="1644530">That&#8217;s peace of mind from Chase.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1644830" data-end="1646690">Chase mobile app is available for select mobile devices.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1646830" data-end="1647730">Message and data rates may apply.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1647850" data-end="1649370">JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A., member FDIC.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:32"><span 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