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		<title>Shocking Truths About Body Donation and Ukraine Doctors Using Medical Apps</title>
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									<p><strong>Major Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li data-start="568" data-end="702"><p data-start="570" data-end="702">America’s body donation industry operates with shockingly little regulation leaving families and donors vulnerable to exploitation</p></li><li data-start="703" data-end="824"><p data-start="705" data-end="824">Ukrainian doctors are using medical apps and peer to peer support from global physicians to save lives during wartime</p></li><li data-start="825" data-end="915"><p data-start="827" data-end="915">Technology is filling deadly healthcare gaps where governments and systems have failed</p></li></ul>								</div>
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									<h2 data-start="1750" data-end="1802">Body Donation and Ukraine Doctors Using Medical Apps</h2><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="2310" data-end="6910">You&#8217;re listening to <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/episode/radio-health-journal-week-of-8-15-2025/">Radio Health Journal</a>, the trusted news source for medicine, science</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="6910" data-end="7750">and technology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="8350" data-end="9770">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" 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class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="23070" data-end="27950">We also have specialists from all over the world who are giving peer-to-peer review.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="27950" data-end="31750">But first, who&#8217;s making sure our loved ones&#8217; remains are safe?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="32230" data-end="37630">The donor having the autonomy, even if they&#8217;re not there anymore, they don&#8217;t oppose the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="37630" data-end="39610">fact that they&#8217;re being donated is really important.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="40010" data-end="42570">All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="47080" data-end="53060">Have you heard the story that&#8217;s about a guy who lives in a bank that is really close by?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="53300" data-end="57720">The Capital One Cafe is his home, no doubt, where customers bank and get their cash out.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="57880" data-end="60900">There&#8217;s no fees or minimums on checking accounts, so your money stays.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="60900" data-end="64600">Most Capital One Cafes are open all seven days.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="64920" data-end="70480">This magical place, as some people might call it, is where the Capital One bank guy says,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="70600" data-end="72020">what&#8217;s in your wallet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="72360" data-end="73660">That&#8217;s a lovely tale.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="74140" data-end="74520">Terms apply.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="74660" data-end="75920">See CapitalOne.com slash bank for details.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="76080" data-end="76900">Capital One and a member FDIC.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="77280" data-end="81300">At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about going to the bathroom in public, so we decided</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="81300" data-end="82140">to sing about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="82180" data-end="84400">Light a candle, pour some wine.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="84660" data-end="87640">Grab a roll, the soft kind for a little me time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="87720" data-end="89620">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="90160" data-end="92240">Wavy edges for my rear.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="92460" data-end="94880">So let the softness caress your soul.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="95360" data-end="97620">Just relax, you&#8217;re on a roll.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="97940" data-end="98540">Let it rip.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="98900" data-end="100640">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="100700" data-end="103300">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear has the same softness you love.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="103340" data-end="105800">Now with wavy edges that tear better than the leading one-ply brand.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="105960" data-end="107040">Enjoy the go with Charmin.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="117520" data-end="122880">Organ donation is a highly regulated system to protect both the donors and recipients.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="123440" data-end="128600">Federal and state laws protect against exploitation and trafficking while ensuring a fair and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="128600" data-end="129620">ethical process.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="130160" data-end="134260">But what&#8217;s surprising is that this strict oversight doesn&#8217;t really apply to the rest</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="134260" data-end="134820">of the body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="135280" data-end="140060">Each year, thousands of people donate their bodies to science to be used for medical education</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="140060" data-end="141580">or research purposes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="142240" data-end="148000">But aside from a 1968 law, the human body donation market is essentially the Wild West</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="148000" data-end="148720">of science.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="149200" data-end="154160">Joy Balta says this lack of oversight and regulation has led to a dangerous absence</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="154160" data-end="156020">of accountability for this industry.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="156500" data-end="158800">We know nothing actually about what happens.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="159100" data-end="164820">So some of the research that I&#8217;ve done and my PhD students have looked into was asking</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="164820" data-end="168740">body donation programs about kind of what they do, their operations.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="169620" data-end="173960">We&#8217;ve had donation programs that have refused to be part of the survey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="174270" data-end="180980">Some of them said that their even administration advised them not to participate because that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="180980" data-end="187040">would maybe put them at higher risk and being exposed to kind of what&#8217;s happening, what</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="187040" data-end="187540">they&#8217;re doing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="188020" data-end="192260">Balta is a professor of anatomy and founding director of the <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/elementor-3950/">Anatomy</a> Learning Institute</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="192260" data-end="194440">at Point Loma Nazarene University.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="194970" data-end="199780">He says that we shouldn&#8217;t assume all donation centers are operating illegally or unethically.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="199780" data-end="204920">But there&#8217;s a lot of fear of what could be happening due to this lack of oversight, as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="204920" data-end="206020">well as past cases.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="206640" data-end="210520">Over the years, various companies in this industry have been exposed for using bodies</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="210520" data-end="215060">without consent, illegally selling body parts and desecrating the remains.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="215800" data-end="219780">Some notable cases have involved the bodies of loved ones being sold to the Department</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="219780" data-end="224600">of Defense and used without consent in explosion and vehicle crash testing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="224840" data-end="230560">There should be some law to ensure that illegal activities are not happening and stuff happens</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="230560" data-end="231240">all the time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="231500" data-end="235980">There&#8217;s been, I&#8217;m not going to necessarily name kind of cases, but there&#8217;s multiple cases</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="235980" data-end="240220">that are from last year and the year before and the year before that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="240400" data-end="242280">So we&#8217;re not living in history.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="242600" data-end="248360">This is still happening today and it&#8217;s going to continue to happen until we do regulate</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="248360" data-end="249300">the <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/episode/invisible-genius-1-mathematician-who-carried-america-to-space-katherine-johnson/">space</a>.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="249720" data-end="254560">There&#8217;s always going to be some bad actors that are going to abuse the fact that there</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="254560" data-end="257040">is no oversight for their best interest.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="257560" data-end="262300">In an effort to establish some sort of guidelines, the American Association for Anatomy created</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="262300" data-end="266560">a task force to come up with the best practices and recommended standards.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="267180" data-end="272640">It was published in 2024, but Balta, who is a contributor on the project, says the finished</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="272640" data-end="274640">product was years in the making.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="274920" data-end="279780">It took years to be able to establish a committee and then it took years to build those best</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="279780" data-end="280220">practices.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="280760" data-end="282100">It wasn&#8217;t a short process.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="282480" data-end="285940">There were multiple people involved in that document.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="286420" data-end="289220">Each of us came from different backgrounds.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="289860" data-end="292220">Some of us are faculty teaching anatomy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="293020" data-end="295620">Some of us are administrators of body donation programs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="295760" data-end="301120">I was the director of the body donation program and encyclical services at Ohio State University</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="301120" data-end="301720">at the time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="301720" data-end="305880">With so many different perspectives, Balta says it took a while to create a document</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="305880" data-end="311380">that everyone agreed represented a fair and ethical perspective on human body donation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="311860" data-end="316680">The long process also may have stemmed from the fact that there had never been anything</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="316680" data-end="322500">like this published before, meaning that an entire industry profiting off the sale of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322500" data-end="328260">human remains has been operating without official guidelines and continues to function without</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="328260" data-end="329680">any meaningful oversight.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="329680" data-end="333040">That was the first comprehensive best practices document.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="333800" data-end="337920">Unfortunately, there aren&#8217;t even laws around some of those areas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="338260" data-end="344760">So we are asking people to be ethical and follow best practices, even though there isn&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="344760" data-end="349760">a regulatory body that oversees this and ensures that it&#8217;s being mandated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350000" data-end="355860">We&#8217;re just hoping that people and their leadership would kind of push to use those best practices</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="355860" data-end="360440">to ensure that we&#8217;re advocating for those donors and we&#8217;re treating them in the most</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="360440" data-end="364840">ethical way after they&#8217;ve given their bodies to us, after they&#8217;ve passed.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="365280" data-end="371120">Balta hopes this document informs future legislation, but that dream may be far from coming true.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="371640" data-end="378160">The Uniform Anatomical Gift Act, passed in 1968, is the most universal law we have for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="378160" data-end="378640">donations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="379060" data-end="384860">It mainly dictates who can authorize an anatomical donation and gives guidance on that process.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="384860" data-end="389820">However, it doesn&#8217;t really touch on what the expectations are after a body is donated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="390320" data-end="393280">There&#8217;s kind of some oversight in some states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="393880" data-end="400400">So, for example, there&#8217;s like a board, an anatomical gift board in Florida, that in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="400400" data-end="405720">theory there should be overseeing, but they don&#8217;t have any legal authority to implement</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="405720" data-end="410140">anything.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="405720" data-end="410140">So like if they want to inspect something, they don&#8217;t have the authority to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="410140" data-end="413900">demand that. They don&#8217;t have the authority to enforce something.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="413900" data-end="417220">So there&#8217;s no legal power behind their work.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="417360" data-end="424200">But yeah, different states do have different applications of it and it varies per state,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="424320" data-end="430120">but does not go into the post-donation part when we are working with the donor, when the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="430120" data-end="431480">donor is in the facility.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="431720" data-end="433040">So you have a chain of custody.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="433600" data-end="438720">The donor leaves the mortuary, comes to the facility, and that&#8217;s it when it comes to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="438720" data-end="441320">kind of paperwork until it leaves the facility.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="441880" data-end="446100">There&#8217;s essentially no governing body doing checks on these facilities to make sure that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="446100" data-end="449240">these companies are running their operations safely and ethically.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="449980" data-end="454020">Balta says that most of the cases of illegal activity we know about are because of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="454020" data-end="457520">insider whistleblowers or family members of a donated body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="457880" data-end="460160">That only shows you that there could be more happening.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="460700" data-end="464020">We&#8217;re just waiting for things to kind of come out for us to know about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="464340" data-end="468500">But while this has been the standard of practice in America for decades, Balta says it&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="468500" data-end="470000">much different in other countries.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="470000" data-end="473280">So I trained and taught in Europe.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="473540" data-end="477480">So I studied in Scotland and I taught there and in Ireland.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="477960" data-end="479220">And they have inspectors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="479560" data-end="480920">There&#8217;s an inspector of anatomy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="481220" data-end="486120">Somebody who comes and inspects the facilities, inspects the documentation, has the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="486120" data-end="488300">authority to shut down a body donation program.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="488560" data-end="493560">In the UK, there is the King&#8217;s inspector at the moment of anatomy, and that&#8217;s their</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="493560" data-end="497560">job. There&#8217;s the Human Tissue Act that governs the space.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="497560" data-end="500120">And it&#8217;s well managed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="500440" data-end="504940">You don&#8217;t hear about there aren&#8217;t stories that come out like that over there because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="504940" data-end="509900">there&#8217;s more oversight, because there are people working to ensure that that doesn&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="509900" data-end="515159">happen. Balta says a main hurdle to having those same standards in America is having to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="515159" data-end="517419">get all the states on the same page.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="517919" data-end="519600">I&#8217;m not saying that that&#8217;s a reason not to.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="519679" data-end="521520">What I&#8217;m saying, it just makes it a little bit harder.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="522080" data-end="525160">But also politics is politics.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="525160" data-end="528740">There needs to be a good reason for something to be pushed through the agenda.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="529040" data-end="534660">If it&#8217;s not loud enough, then politicians, I&#8217;m not sure that it&#8217;s going to be going on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="534660" data-end="536960">their agenda, on the priority list of their agenda.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="537340" data-end="538560">And we&#8217;re not even close.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="538800" data-end="543040">We&#8217;re not even kind of having the conversations that hopefully one day we will.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="543160" data-end="545040">We&#8217;re not. We&#8217;re not having that conversation.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="545200" data-end="548560">I think hopefully we&#8217;re able to start that conversation soon.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="549160" data-end="553940">There are a few points Balta thinks need to be at the top of these discussions, one being</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="553940" data-end="555860">how we treat unclaimed bodies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556520" data-end="560320">Earlier this year, Radio Health Journal released a segment revealing the thousands of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="560320" data-end="562900">bodies in America that go unclaimed each year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="563540" data-end="566500">Instead, they&#8217;re left to the state and usually cremated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="567060" data-end="571260">However, most counties are allowed to donate these remains to science without consent</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="571260" data-end="573120">from the deceased or their family.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="573780" data-end="579100">A 2023 paper published in JAMA looking at Texas medical schools found that their use of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="579100" data-end="585360">unclaimed bodies jumped from 64 bodies in 2017 to 446 in 2021.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="586160" data-end="587480">But is that unethical?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="588040" data-end="592400">Since it falls into a gray area for many people, it&#8217;s a topic Balta believes needs more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="592400" data-end="593780">attention and guidance.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="594120" data-end="598740">This body is contributing towards science and benefiting science and advancing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="598740" data-end="604660">medicine. But that&#8217;s not a good enough reason to kind of donate the body or give it</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604660" data-end="608860">away.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604660" data-end="608860">It&#8217;s not even donated, it&#8217;s being given without knowing that this could be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="608860" data-end="612060">somebody who had religious beliefs that could go against that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="612600" data-end="613280">And that&#8217;s not OK.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="613680" data-end="618800">We shouldn&#8217;t be making those decisions for financial reasons, the ethical reasons and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="618800" data-end="621760">considerations of that human body should come first.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="622140" data-end="626600">We can&#8217;t just assume that they&#8217;re OK with it or that because they were unclaimed were</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="626600" data-end="628200">able to benefit from their donation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="628860" data-end="633720">Another priority for Balta is making sure donation programs all have a transparent and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="633720" data-end="635420">standard structure for applications.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="636180" data-end="640020">Consent forms can vary drastically from one institution to the next.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="640540" data-end="644860">Balta says that some completely refuse to disclose how they&#8217;ll use the body once it&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="644860" data-end="650120">donated. Many forms list what types of research could be done to the body, but some</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="650120" data-end="653720">don&#8217;t even give an option to opt out of anything the donor or loved one is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="653720" data-end="654620">uncomfortable with.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="654960" data-end="659020">Yes, it&#8217;s good to know that these are the ways I&#8217;m going to be donating my body to.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="659540" data-end="662320">But can I say I don&#8217;t want to?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="662320" data-end="667360">And I think we might have like a place where they can write comments, but we don&#8217;t give</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="667360" data-end="670780">like a checkmark like yes for this, no for that, yes for that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="671220" data-end="673120">And there are multiple reasons for that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="673220" data-end="675960">But yeah, I think that would be really helpful that people are aware.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="676060" data-end="679220">And in some places, the consent form says it&#8217;s just one sentence.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="679240" data-end="681560">I am donating my body to this donation program.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="681940" data-end="685720">That&#8217;s it doesn&#8217;t go through their rights, doesn&#8217;t go through what&#8217;s going to happen</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="687000" data-end="688820">after disposition of the human remains.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="688820" data-end="693360">Usually forms are multiple pages, but you could have a form that is one sentence.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="693840" data-end="697460">Balta has published research looking through consent forms across the U.S.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="697500" data-end="700600">and notes how drastically these applications can vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="701020" data-end="705960">But if we zoom out and look at the industry as a whole, a larger issue may be the fact</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="705960" data-end="709440">that parts of the human body donation industry are for profit.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="710060" data-end="714960">Balta and the rest of the task force argue in their paper that the most ethical way to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="714960" data-end="719220">be conducting business in this field is to operate under revenue neutrality.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="719840" data-end="724500">While most university programs are nonprofit, there are other companies actively</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="724500" data-end="726660">profiting off the sale of human remains.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="726880" data-end="730640">There are the body donation programs that are staff of a university.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="731200" data-end="735280">There are faculty members, but they don&#8217;t like they&#8217;re not working for themselves.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="735560" data-end="738180">They&#8217;re not trying to make money that they&#8217;re going to benefit from.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="738720" data-end="741520">And hopefully they&#8217;re working towards the revenue neutrality.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="741520" data-end="743600">But that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re trying to push for.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="744100" data-end="747720">The for profit companies don&#8217;t have to think about that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="747860" data-end="749640">They don&#8217;t have to.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="747860" data-end="749640">And some of them are.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="750040" data-end="751480">I don&#8217;t want to kind of lump everybody.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="752040" data-end="753540">Some of them are better than others.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="754120" data-end="757660">Can we say like, oh, we don&#8217;t need those for profit companies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="758220" data-end="762820">We should just rely on body donation programs and like get rid of those.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="763040" data-end="765360">I don&#8217;t know if I could say that, unfortunately.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="766060" data-end="769840">The main hurdle being that universities sometimes need to use these companies to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="769840" data-end="774160">source bodies. Balta says there&#8217;s simply not enough body donation programs at</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="774160" data-end="776100">universities to fill the need.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="776340" data-end="780880">If we had enough body donation programs, we wouldn&#8217;t need to rely on for profit</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780880" data-end="783460">companies.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780880" data-end="783460">And I&#8217;ll give you an example of that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="783660" data-end="788160">This fall, fall 2025, I was not able to request donors</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="788160" data-end="790600">from my local donation programs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="790860" data-end="793040">And that was two weeks before the start of the semester.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="793520" data-end="795540">And I was stuck thinking, what am I going to do?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="795620" data-end="799720">I&#8217;ve written best practices and I don&#8217;t want to go to I don&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="799720" data-end="802620">want to kind of go towards for profit companies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="802700" data-end="804420">And again, some of them are better than others.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="804420" data-end="807680">So there&#8217;s also wisdom in who we work with.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="808300" data-end="812500">But for my own kind of best practice, I would prefer to work with the body donation</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="812500" data-end="817080">program. I communicated with donation programs across the country and I</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="817080" data-end="821900">was willing to have donors come from states that are very far away because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="821900" data-end="824380">I would rather work with donation programs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="824380" data-end="829400">But we don&#8217;t have enough donations happening in donation</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="829400" data-end="833800">programs.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="829400" data-end="833800">Balta says people may choose to donate their body to a company because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="833800" data-end="838160">they cover more costs or are simply the only option someone is aware of.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="838640" data-end="842900">So while Balta&#8217;s ideal world would be that there are no for profit companies in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="842900" data-end="845480">this space, that&#8217;s not realistic right now.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="846120" data-end="849420">You can find more information about Joy Balta and all of our guests on our</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="849420" data-end="851920">website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="851920" data-end="854080">Our writer producer is Kristen Farah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="854400" data-end="856540">Our executive producer is Amira Zaferi.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="856820" data-end="857720">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="863610" data-end="867910">Coming up, the technology that&#8217;s helping trained doctors during war when</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="867910" data-end="869130">RadioHealthJournal returns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="872320" data-end="876060">If you&#8217;ve been diagnosed with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="877680" data-end="881360">This is what it sounds like to be a million miles away.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="883280" data-end="885920">Imagine being a million miles away.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889600" data-end="893740">TRMFYA, Kuselkumab, taken by injection is a prescription medicine for adults</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="893740" data-end="897620">with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis who may benefit from taking injections</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="897620" data-end="899160">or pills or phototherapy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="899640" data-end="902220">With TRMFYA, clearer skin is possible.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="902660" data-end="907700">In clinical trials, at least 70% of patients saw at least 90% clearer skin</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="907700" data-end="908780">at 16 weeks.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="909020" data-end="909780">Results may vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="909980" data-end="913420">TRMFYA is also indicated for adults with active psoriatic arthritis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="913940" data-end="915900">Serious allergic reactions and increased risk of heart disease can be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="915900" data-end="918120">a risk of infections and liver problems may occur.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="918320" data-end="921460">Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="921840" data-end="924740">Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or if you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="924740" data-end="925400">need a vaccine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="925720" data-end="927340">Ask your doctor about TRMFYA.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="927560" data-end="932200">Call 1-800-526-7736 or visit trmfya.com.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="939820" data-end="944240">It&#8217;s been three years since<a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/russias-record-drone-assault-on-ukraine-strikes-kyiv-government-district/"> Russian</a> forces mounted a full scale invasion of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="944240" data-end="944660">Ukraine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="945280" data-end="947780">Today, the fighting there is still in full force.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="947780" data-end="951880">Many citizens have fled the eastern part of the country where the war rages</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="951880" data-end="954160">on or have fled the country altogether.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="955040" data-end="959100">This includes many doctors, which has created a medical crisis for the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="959100" data-end="961040">relatively few doctors that remain.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="961820" data-end="965100">There just aren&#8217;t enough medical specialists left in Ukraine to serve the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="965100" data-end="966140">remaining population.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="966960" data-end="970480">Because of staffing shortages in hospitals and medical centers, patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="970480" data-end="974420">needing specialized care often end up seeing the local pediatrician or a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="974420" data-end="977980">first-year resident who may not know how to address their issues, like a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="977980" data-end="980300">recent heart attack or even an abscessed tooth.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="980620" data-end="983640">We&#8217;re seeing physicians being overwhelmed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="984060" data-end="989600">A lot of physicians have moved from rural areas of Ukraine, so there&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="989600" data-end="991480">definitely a shortage of specialists.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="992480" data-end="998420">And for example, where now we&#8217;re seeing a family physician who has to help</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="998420" data-end="1004980">deliver babies in the basement without any electricity because their town is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1004980" data-end="1008000">surrounded by Russian forces.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1008320" data-end="1013380">So it&#8217;s definitely became very challenging and the resources are scarce</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1013380" data-end="1015400">because the country is at war.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1015800" data-end="1016420">That&#8217;s Dr.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1016480" data-end="1020760">Olga Myhudiak, chief operating officer of Global Medical Knowledge Alliance,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1021020" data-end="1022520">also known as GMKA.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1022940" data-end="1027079">It&#8217;s a nonprofit organization that provides medical training and educational</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1027079" data-end="1029000">webinars for Ukrainian doctors.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1029680" data-end="1033819">MKA was co-founded in 2017 before the war started by Dr.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1033920" data-end="1037940">Nelia Melnichek, an associate surgeon at Brigham and Women&#8217;s Hospital and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1037940" data-end="1040520">assistant professor of surgery at Harvard Medical School.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1041280" data-end="1045420">Seeing what was happening in her beloved country from afar, Melnichek knew she</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1045420" data-end="1047580">had to do something to help her fellow countrymen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1048220" data-end="1052120">That&#8217;s when she heard a story that gave her an idea for a medical app that would</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1052120" data-end="1054680">assist doctors in Ukraine from anywhere in the world.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1054680" data-end="1062080">One of our resident physician was in practicing in a small town and he had a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1062080" data-end="1068360">case with a patient with a tooth abscess and he didn&#8217;t know how to pretty much</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1068360" data-end="1068940">deal with it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1069020" data-end="1073960">So he called his colleague at a bigger hospital in Kiev who guided him through</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1073960" data-end="1076940">the entire procedure via a video call.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1077700" data-end="1082960">And therefore this resident was or junior physician was able to help this</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1082960" data-end="1088580">patient.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1082960" data-end="1088580">And that is how the idea for HealUA app, which provides peer-to-peer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1088580" data-end="1090680">reviews, was created.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1091280" data-end="1095420">With the help of GMKA and a technology company in Ukraine called Impact,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1096100" data-end="1100020">Melnichek created a mobile app called HealUA that provides peer-to-peer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1100020" data-end="1103600">support to medical professionals in Ukraine with other medical professionals</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1103600" data-end="1105400">in the U.S. and around the world.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1105960" data-end="1109900">She knew the tool needed to be a mobile app rather than a computer program so</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1109900" data-end="1112020">that it could be accessed anywhere with a smartphone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1112660" data-end="1116880">Doctors can take a photo of the patient&#8217;s injury or clinical presentation and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1116880" data-end="1118280">submit a case on the spot.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1118920" data-end="1122900">The HealUA app, which can be downloaded for free, was up and running three</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1122900" data-end="1124300">months after the war started.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1124940" data-end="1128780">With this app, isolated Ukrainian physicians can submit a case and get a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1128780" data-end="1131680">second opinion, usually within 24 to 48 hours.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1132060" data-end="1135760">It&#8217;s very hard conditions now in hospitals to work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1136120" data-end="1141940">So it&#8217;s very important when we have someone that could give us any advices and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1141940" data-end="1148120">we really appreciate that we can get this advice very quickly by using HealUA.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1148220" data-end="1155700">Because when we download our cases, we can receive answers very quickly and from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1155700" data-end="1161860">doctors from Ukraine, but also what is very important for us, we have advices</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1161860" data-end="1168820">from doctors from USA and it really helps when, you know, you have doubts what</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1168820" data-end="1174900">to do and especially in a low setting conditions that sometimes we need to work</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1174900" data-end="1182140">through.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1174900" data-end="1182140">So it&#8217;s a wonderful to have opportunity to have a feedback from other</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1182140" data-end="1182660">doctors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1182880" data-end="1187840">That&#8217;s Dr. Olya Kostynchak, an oncology hematologist working in Western Ukraine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1188280" data-end="1192540">She was assigned an unconscious lymphoma patient and didn&#8217;t have the necessary</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1192540" data-end="1194420">experience to provide proper treatment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1194980" data-end="1199200">Luckily, a specialist in Boston was able to provide her with a diagnosis and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1199200" data-end="1201500">treatment protocol through the HealUA app.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1201920" data-end="1208740">He gave the advice with diagnosis steps and what we can do in our setting and also</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1208740" data-end="1210680">how can we manage this patient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1211160" data-end="1217480">And by the way, not only this, but we leave coments about how is this patient</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217480" data-end="1222500">going on now.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217480" data-end="1222500">So it&#8217;s not just for the beginning, but through the whole course of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1222500" data-end="1223660">treatment, this patient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1224080" data-end="1225820">And for me, it&#8217;s just wonderful.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1226320" data-end="1230400">A team at GMKA monitors all submissions to make sure they&#8217;re from verified</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230400" data-end="1231760">physicians on both ends.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1232300" data-end="1235320">They also monitor comments to make sure they&#8217;re medically appropriate.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1236080" data-end="1240500">The founders of GMKA hope to see the app used around the world wherever physician</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1240500" data-end="1244220">and specialist shortages exist, such as in rural India and Africa.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1244880" data-end="1249420">Dr. Daria Kizheb is a Ukrainian physician practicing at a major cancer center in the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1249420" data-end="1252260">United States and offers peer-to-peer review through the app.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1252500" data-end="1256580">She says that while posted cases are complex and that this ability to get a second</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1256580" data-end="1258140">opinion from doctors in the U.S.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1258180" data-end="1262880">is invaluable, she cautions against overstating the role of international expertise.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1263260" data-end="1270660">I would like to not overstate the role of international physicians and expertise in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1270660" data-end="1275580">this, because I think, you know, in Ukraine, there&#8217;s also a good amount of expertise</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1275580" data-end="1277200">where we were not available.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1277320" data-end="1282360">Of course, it&#8217;s very helpful, but I don&#8217;t know that necessarily the patient would die</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1282360" data-end="1284720">in most cases if this was not available.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1285160" data-end="1288780">However, she does think the app helps to expedite Ukrainian patients&#8217; treatments.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1289380" data-end="1294940">One case I can think of is a patient with an advanced form of breast cancer that is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1294940" data-end="1297420">very aggressive, called triple negative breast cancer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1298020" data-end="1304340">And the question was, do we need to do advanced diagnostics for this patient or can we</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1304340" data-end="1305980">just treat them with a targeted drug?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1306420" data-end="1311000">Because the advanced diagnostics, the kind of lumbar puncture and kind of waiting for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1311000" data-end="1312420">the result would have delayed treatment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1312560" data-end="1316320">So I said, you know, in my practice or in our practice, you can just treat with this</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1316320" data-end="1319720">targeted drug. So the patient was able to get treatment faster.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1319920" data-end="1324000">And this is for a condition where, you know, it can progress very quickly and patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1324000" data-end="1329120">can die generally within an average of about three months.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1329600" data-end="1334140">So I think it was useful, my advice for the patient to get treatment sooner.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1334720" data-end="1339040">Majodiak says the greatest challenge in creating the app was translating from Ukrainian to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1339040" data-end="1340200">English and vice versa.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1340680" data-end="1344460">But she says that AI technology provided a quick solve to that problem.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345020" data-end="1349120">You can learn more about the Heal UA app and all of our guests by visiting our website at</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1349120" data-end="1350540">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1351200" data-end="1353240">Our Raider producer this week is Polly Hanson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1353480" data-end="1354960">Our lead producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1355220" data-end="1356940">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1357480" data-end="1358120">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1368900" data-end="1371340">Radio Health Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1375110" data-end="1378930">Protect your home and auto by bundling them with Progressive and you&#8217;ll have a little less</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1378930" data-end="1382470">to worry about.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1378930" data-end="1382470">But we know you&#8217;ll find other things to worry about.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1383030" data-end="1384850">Like that text you just got from your boss.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1394450" data-end="1395610">Yeah, this is bad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1396110" data-end="1399710">Oh, well, at least you protected your home and auto with Progressive, so you don&#8217;t have to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1399710" data-end="1403090">worry about that. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and other insurers not</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1403090" data-end="1403670">available in all states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1408930" data-end="1431000">Downy Rinse fight stubborn odors in just one wash.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1431340" data-end="1433260">When impossible odors get stuck in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1437020" data-end="1438920">That smells good, Ma.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439180" data-end="1439820">What you making?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439820" data-end="1441180">Just a little something.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1441440" data-end="1444380">Collard greens, cornbread, fried chicken and peach cobbler.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1444680" data-end="1445440">Some leftovers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1446660" data-end="1447620">Some leftovers?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1448640" data-end="1452460">Listen, I&#8217;ve been meaning to talk to you about some new COVID information I saw online.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1452600" data-end="1454780">See, because you&#8217;re always on that phone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1455080" data-end="1455840">I&#8217;m serious.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1456460" data-end="1459940">I read that three out of four adults in the United States have a high risk factor for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1459940" data-end="1465000">severe COVID-19 and black folks like us with certain conditions like diabetes, heart</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1465000" data-end="1469660">disease, mental health conditions or being 50 and older, like you, are at high risk.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1469660" data-end="1471480">Boy, you sound like a commercial.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1471580" data-end="1472400">I&#8217;m just saying.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1472800" data-end="1475040">I know you love your ginger teas and essential oils.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475460" data-end="1479140">But remember, there are treatment options for COVID-19 if you ever get it again.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1479640" data-end="1480020">Uh-huh.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480260" data-end="1484300">I promise if I get sick again, I&#8217;ll call my doctor to ask about my options.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484660" data-end="1485520">I love you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1485700" data-end="1486360">I love you, too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1486580" data-end="1487700">I&#8217;m glad we had this talk.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1487920" data-end="1488420">Me, too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1488700" data-end="1489660">Now get out of my kitchen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1491860" data-end="1494040">Visit wetalkwerise.com to learn more.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1494320" data-end="1495380">Brought to you by Pfizer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1498900" data-end="1500600">Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1501120" data-end="1504900">We can diagnose food allergies earlier than ever before.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1505560" data-end="1509740">Since blood tests have high rates of false positives, the current standard for diagnosing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1509740" data-end="1513200">a food allergy is consuming the product in front of a physician.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513980" data-end="1518240">However, a study in the Journal of Clinical Investigation could change this process</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1518240" data-end="1518820">altogether.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1519500" data-end="1524460">Researchers found that measuring water loss from the skin can predict a severe reaction</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1524460" data-end="1525360">to food quicker and more quickly.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1525360" data-end="1527620">This means that food can be consumed earlier and easier than current testing methods.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1528080" data-end="1530240">Yet another reason to eat more produce.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1530880" data-end="1536760">Fruits and vegetables contain compounds called flavonoids, which have anti-cancer, antioxidant,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1536840" data-end="1538520">and anti-inflammatory properties.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1539040" data-end="1544360">Research published in the journal Endocrinology shows how flavonoids may reduce the risk and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1544360" data-end="1546100">severity of endometriosis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1546840" data-end="1550860">Researchers hope this connection will help drug development for the painful condition.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1551530" data-end="1555320">And finally, should grade school classrooms be more active?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1556040" data-end="1560700">Literacy skills are usually taught to young kids while seated at a desk, but this may</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1560700" data-end="1563140">be hindering their ability to absorb the information.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1563760" data-end="1568780">Research in the journal Educational Psychology Review studied 57 first-graders in Denmark.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1569400" data-end="1573480">One group of students learned how to sound out letters at a desk, while the other group</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1573480" data-end="1575940">used their body to act out the shape of the letter.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1576440" data-end="1580420">The kids whose learning involved movement doubled their test scores in spelling and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1580420" data-end="1582960">letter recognition after just four weeks.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1583640" data-end="1585440">And that&#8217;s Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1585880" data-end="1587420">I&#8217;m Mayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1587780" data-end="1590400">A KFC tale in the pursuit of flavor.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1590760" data-end="1592480">The holidays were tricky for the colonel.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1592720" data-end="1595180">He loved people, but he also loved peace and quiet.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1595440" data-end="1601060">So he cooked up KFC&#8217;s $4.99 chicken pot pie, warm, flaky, with savory sauce and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1601060" data-end="1605680">vegetables.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1601060" data-end="1605680">It&#8217;s a tender, chicken-filled excuse to get some time to yourself and step</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1605680" data-end="1607020">away from decking the halls.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1607020" data-end="1608280">Whatever that means.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1608680" data-end="1610800">The colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1611360" data-end="1612600">KFC&#8217;s chicken pot pie.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1612780" data-end="1614720">The best $4.99 you&#8217;ll spend this season.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1614860" data-end="1616640">Prices and participation may vary while supplies last.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1616720" data-end="1617580">Texas Tips and Fees Extra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1617960" data-end="1621940">Progressive has great customer service and it&#8217;s easy to reach us because great and easy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1621940" data-end="1622680">is the way to be.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1622940" data-end="1623540">Like salads.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1623840" data-end="1627540">Great for you and so easy you can put any group of veggies in a bowl and it&#8217;s a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1627740" data-end="1629540">A full carrot with a head of cabbage.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1629880" data-end="1631400">Weird, but still a salad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1631700" data-end="1633180">One radish and a couple of green beans.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1633340" data-end="1634060">Also a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1634380" data-end="1636380">Fourteen blueberries, half an onion and a sunchoke.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1636380" data-end="1638620">Odd, yes, but an odd salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1639460" data-end="1642500">So contact Progressive&#8217;s customer service by phone, app or online.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1642700" data-end="1644940">It&#8217;s great and easy, just like salad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1645400" data-end="1647000">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1650060" data-end="1654280">Thank you for joining us this week and every week as we break down the science stories</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1654280" data-end="1655100">you need to know.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1655500" data-end="1659980">You can find all of our past segments and guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1659980" data-end="1662020">or wherever you listen to podcasts.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1662020" data-end="1666740">Follow us on Instagram, Facebook and X for daily content and tune in next week for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1666740" data-end="1668800">another edition of Radio Health Journal.</span></span></p>								</div>
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		<title>Governor Tate Reeves Addresses Mississippi Rural Health Crisis and Medicaid Expansion Debate</title>
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									<p data-start="243" data-end="506"> </p><p data-start="243" data-end="506"> </p><p data-start="243" data-end="506"><a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/mississippi-homecoming-shootings/">Mississippi</a>’s rural healthcare system is hanging by a thread. Governor Tate Reeves says he’s on it, promising to protect small <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/obamacare-premiums-surge-for-2026-as-costs-rise-and-subsidies-face-uncertainty-leaving-millions-bracing-for-higher-prices-and-difficult-coverage-choices/">hospitals</a>, support medical workers, and strengthen care in small towns. But here’s the real question: is this leadership or lip service?</p><h3 data-start="508" data-end="552">The State of Rural Health in Mississippi</h3><p data-start="554" data-end="1445">If you’ve been paying attention, you already know Mississippi’s rural healthcare system has been struggling for years. Over half of the state’s rural hospitals are at risk of shutting down, according to multiple reports including an October analysis from Mississippi Today. Emergency rooms are closing, labor and delivery units have vanished in several counties, and the number of Mississippians traveling over an hour for basic care has jumped dramatically. These aren’t just statistics they’re the lived reality for families from the Delta to the Pine Belt. A missed appointment can mean a missed paycheck. A long ambulance ride can mean a life lost. It’s that serious. Now, add in the state’s historically high uninsured rate, limited mental-health resources, and a shrinking healthcare workforce, and you’ve got a full-blown crisis. It’s no wonder advocates have been begging for action.</p><h3 data-start="1447" data-end="1512">The Governor’s Pitch: Strategic Spending, Not More Government</h3><p data-start="1514" data-end="2596">Governor Tate Reeves finally spoke out about the situation after months of pressure from local leaders, health directors, and rural residents. His message? Help is coming, but it won’t come through the old way of doing things. At the heart of Reeves’ approach is the Rural Health Transformation Program, a new federal initiative born from what he called one<a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/understanding-big-beautiful-bill-goventment-guide/"> big beautiful bill</a>. The program offers states hundreds of millions in federal funding to stabilize rural hospitals and expand services. Mississippi’s slice could reach up to $500 million, depending on its final proposal. Reeves has directed the Mississippi Division of Medicaid and the State Department of Health to create a plan to apply for the funding before the end of the year. The plan is supposed to include local feedback from hospital boards, medical professionals, and residents. On paper, that sounds promising. But the governor’s tone was measured—cautious even. In recent press statements, Reeves has repeated a familiar refrain: Mississippi doesn’t need more federal control, it needs smarter local investment.</p><p data-start="2598" data-end="2916">He said, “We must ensure that any plan we adopt fits Mississippi, not Washington, D.C. We’ll use every available dollar wisely to strengthen our hospitals and protect access to care for our rural citizens.” It’s a classic conservative approach—practical, controlled, and careful not to appear dependent on federal aid.</p><h3 data-start="2918" data-end="2965">What the Governor Won’t Do: Expand Medicaid</h3><p data-start="2967" data-end="3801">Here’s where Reeves draws his line in the sand. Despite calls from hospital CEOs, doctors, and both Republican and Democratic lawmakers, he’s still rejecting Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act. Reeves argues that expanding Medicaid would grow government dependency and add financial burden to the state. He’s stood by that position even as other red states like North Carolina reversed course and expanded coverage. Critics say that stance undermines any rural health plan from the start. Medicaid expansion would extend coverage to an estimated 200,000 low-income Mississippians, bringing in billions in federal money while relieving hospitals from the crushing weight of unpaid care. Without it, hospitals continue treating uninsured patients with no reimbursement a slow financial death sentence for small facilities.</p><p data-start="3803" data-end="4171">Dr. LouAnn Woodward, vice chancellor of the University of Mississippi Medical Center, put it bluntly last month: “Without expanded coverage, these rural hospitals are trying to survive without oxygen.” So yes, the Rural Health Transformation Program could be a lifeline, but only if the state also addresses the structural problems that keep hospitals gasping for air.</p><h3 data-start="4173" data-end="4201">Where the Money Might Go</h3><p data-start="4203" data-end="5236">The proposed plan could include several targeted strategies including infrastructure upgrades, repairs, facility modernization, and equipment updates in hospitals that have been running on outdated systems; telehealth expansion, building on Mississippi’s leadership in telemedicine, especially for behavioral health and chronic disease management; workforce incentives like bonuses or loan repayment programs for nurses, doctors, and EMTs who commit to serving in rural counties; and mobile or urgent-care units to bring care directly to underserved communities through mobile clinics and expanded ambulance networks. Those moves could make a real impact if they’re funded properly and rolled out transparently. But there’s another hard truth: even $500 million in federal funding can’t fully undo decades of disinvestment. According to the Magnolia Tribune, the Rural Health Transformation Program may only offset about one-third of expected Medicaid-related revenue losses statewide. That means the money helps, but it doesn’t fix.</p><h3 data-start="5238" data-end="5291">What’s Missing: Local Voices and Long-Term Vision</h3><p data-start="5293" data-end="6041">Right now, the state has opened a public survey for citizens and healthcare workers to share their input on the rural health plan. But so far, few people even know it exists. If the governor wants this to succeed, it can’t be a top-down operation. Mississippi’s rural communities are unique what works in Panola County might not work in Holmes County. Jackson and the Delta face drastically different challenges from the coastal counties. A one-size-fits-all approach won’t cut it. Advocates say Reeves should make community involvement a central part of the plan, not an afterthought. Public meetings, listening tours, even town hall sessions in hospital cafeterias could help shape a plan that actually reflects Mississippi’s diversity and needs.</p><h3 data-start="6043" data-end="6068">The Political Reality</h3><p data-start="6070" data-end="6707">Let’s call it what it is: rural health is now a political football. Reeves wants to appear proactive without conceding ideological ground on Medicaid. Democrats and moderate Republicans want to fix hospitals before they vanish. And communities just want their ERs to stay open. The result? A slow-moving policy tug of war while hospitals keep bleeding money. The political optics may be polished, but the math still hurts. If nothing changes, more hospitals will close before any plan takes effect. Each closure leaves behind empty buildings, lost jobs, and families forced to drive 60 miles just to deliver a baby or treat a broken arm.</p><h3 data-start="6709" data-end="6748">Why This Matters Beyond Health Care</h3><p data-start="6750" data-end="7333">When a rural hospital closes, it doesn’t just hurt patients it kills small-town economies. Hospitals are often the largest employer in their area. Closing them means lost jobs, lost tax revenue, and fewer reasons for businesses to stay or relocate. For Black and low-income residents, especially across the Delta, the consequences are devastating. Rural health is racial equity, economic development, and community survival rolled into one. When Reeves talks about protecting rural Mississippi, the question isn’t whether he means it it’s whether he’ll go far enough to make it real.</p><h3 data-start="7335" data-end="7353">The Road Ahead</h3><p data-start="7355" data-end="7833">The next few months will be telling. The governor’s office is expected to submit its final Rural Health Transformation Plan before year’s end. Watch for which hospitals and counties are prioritized for funding, whether Medicaid expansion re-enters the conversation in 2026, how transparent the spending process is, and whether public input truly shapes the final plan. Mississippi’s rural health system doesn’t have time for politics. It needs action, and it needs it yesterday.</p><h3 data-start="7835" data-end="7849">Final Word</h3><p data-start="7851" data-end="8291">Governor Reeves deserves credit for acknowledging the crisis and moving toward a plan. But let’s be honest the plan’s success won’t be measured in press releases. It’ll be measured by whether families in places like Humphreys, Bolivar, and Marion Counties can get care when they need it. Until then, the question hanging over the Magnolia State remains: will Mississippi fix its rural health system, or will it just keep patching the holes?</p>								</div>
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