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group" title="Play starting at 0:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="40670" data-end="42750">entity that a private equity firm owns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="43030" data-end="45510">All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="46870" data-end="50930">At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about going to the bathroom in public, so we decided</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="50930" data-end="51790">to sing about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 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Charmin UltraStrong with diamond weave texture, cleans better than</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="73170" data-end="75170">the leading one-ply brands, so you can use less.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="75350" data-end="76430">Enjoy the go with Charmin.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="77010" data-end="80410">Protect your home and auto by bundling them with Progressive, and you&#8217;ll have a little</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="80410" data-end="81210">less to worry about.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="81210" data-end="86230">But we know you&#8217;ll find other things to worry about, like that text you just got from your</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="86230" data-end="86530">boss.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="96030" data-end="97310">Yeah, this is bad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="97790" data-end="101310">Oh, well, at least you protected your home and auto with Progressive, so you don&#8217;t have</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="101310" data-end="102010">to worry about that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="102930" data-end="105370">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and other insurers not available in all states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="115050" data-end="120490">For many of us, the healthcare system is a tangled mess of complex phrases that try to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="120490" data-end="122710">explain the expensive bills we get in the mail.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="123090" data-end="128070">And with the chaos of life, it&#8217;s easy to quickly pay it without ever truly looking at the breakdown</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="128070" data-end="128710">of cost.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="129250" data-end="132850">Unfortunately, the industry knows this and can take advantage of it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="133450" data-end="138770">Lynn Unruh, Professor Emerita at the University of Central Florida, experienced this firsthand</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="138770" data-end="141030">after seeking help for her spinal issues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="141030" data-end="143750">My visit was all of five minutes or less.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="144370" data-end="149410">He misdiagnosed me, but did thankfully send me to a physical therapist, and the physical</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="149410" data-end="154390">therapist did a good half-hour assessment and diagnosed me properly.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="155270" data-end="161070">And I wasn&#8217;t happy with this guy, so I asked for, you know, you have to contact the office</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="161070" data-end="163870">and ask them for the record of your visit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="164290" data-end="168470">And they are, by law, I believe, you&#8217;re entitled to get this record.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="168470" data-end="174870">In a surprise twist, Unruh&#8217;s record detailed a much different visit than the one she had experienced.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="175310" data-end="181570">He said I had a half an hour visit and that he did a systematic neurological examination</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="181570" data-end="184030">on me, which he did not do.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="184190" data-end="188430">He basically looked at the way I walked in and said, oh, you&#8217;ve got sacroiliitis and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="188430" data-end="189330">blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="189750" data-end="194990">And he did my knee reflexes, and that was about it, versus what the physical therapist</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="194990" data-end="197950">did, that there&#8217;s all this whole big, long thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="197950" data-end="203610">So anyway, he lied, and he charged Medicare for a 30-minute visit when he saw me for less</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="203610" data-end="204550">than five minutes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="205030" data-end="210050">Unruh was a victim of upcoding, a type of medical billing fraud when providers intentionally</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="210530" data-end="213590">submit wrong billing codes to increase their revenue.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="213930" data-end="216510">It&#8217;s quite common and has a costly effect.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="216990" data-end="222550">In fact, a 2024 paper estimates that the practice of upcoding was associated with more than</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="222550" data-end="226490">$14 billion in hospital payments in 2019.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="227130" data-end="232630">Unfortunately, it&#8217;s only become more pronounced in recent years, a rise that may be attributed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="232630" data-end="236710">to the uptick in investments from private equity firms in the health care space.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237250" data-end="237530">Why?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237990" data-end="241550">Because it&#8217;s a simple way to increase revenue that often goes unnoticed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="241970" data-end="246130">And as we&#8217;ve seen from private equities involvement in this industry, the main focus</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="246130" data-end="247810">is making a quick profit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="248430" data-end="251730">Private equity is investing everywhere in health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="251730" data-end="258829">It started in some of the urgent care center areas in hospitals and nursing homes, but</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="258829" data-end="263170">it&#8217;s also gone into doctor&#8217;s offices, which are all of the specialties.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="263630" data-end="269410">There&#8217;s pretty much not a physician specialty that you can name that it isn&#8217;t invested in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="269910" data-end="272550">Investments in health care are usually seen as a positive.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="273030" data-end="276270">So why is there a negative connotation around private equity involvement?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="276270" data-end="282170">Well, because most reports, like Unruh&#8217;s 2025 review published in the journal Health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="282170" data-end="286870">Policy, aren&#8217;t finding many good outcomes in the wake of a private equity takeover.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="287350" data-end="293110">Out of 21 studies that we found on health care quality and patient outcomes, only one</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="293110" data-end="296730">nursing home study and one hospital study found that they were better.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="297070" data-end="299970">The outcomes were better in private equity facilities.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="300510" data-end="305850">One hospital study and a couple other studies found no difference in system outcomes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="305850" data-end="307430">And some found mixed results.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="307830" data-end="313330">But like we say, most of the mixed results studies were mostly negative.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="314030" data-end="320230">So when you look at out of 21, really only six were not bad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="320730" data-end="321770">It&#8217;s not a lot.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322310" data-end="326730">The global investment firm KKR and Company has one of the few good examples.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="327150" data-end="333390">Their acquisition of HCA Healthcare in 2006 showed a significant reduction in patient mortality.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="333390" data-end="336730">However, they declined our interview request for this segment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="337430" data-end="341870">The Private Equity Stakeholder Project is a watchdog organization that specializes in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="341870" data-end="345350">researching the effects that the industry has on people and the planet.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="345830" data-end="347390">It covers a range of factors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="347870" data-end="349650">And one specific topic is health care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350190" data-end="354390">Michael Fenney, a senior policy coordinator at the organization, says that they&#8217;re also</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="354390" data-end="358290">not seeing many positive outcomes of private equity investments in health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="358290" data-end="365670">They may be out there, but what we&#8217;ve observed is that the incentives that private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="365670" data-end="370810">firms operate under don&#8217;t align with long-term care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="371150" data-end="375930">Instead of working towards a long-term vision, Matthew Parr, the communications director</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="375930" data-end="380410">for the Private Equity Stakeholder Project, says that private equity firms tend to buy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="380410" data-end="384010">and sell their investments in an average of five to seven years.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="384010" data-end="388550">These private equity firms have a set revenue goal that they&#8217;re trying to get out of a company,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="389030" data-end="390350">and they&#8217;re trying to do it very quickly.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="390950" data-end="394930">And because they sell off these companies after about five to seven years or transfer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="394930" data-end="399490">them to another private equity firm, sometimes they take them public or these companies go</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="399490" data-end="403530">bankrupt, what have you, after that short period of time, they don&#8217;t really have a stake</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="403530" data-end="404550">in that company anymore.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="404850" data-end="408650">And so if the firm has gotten its profit, they can sell that company off.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="408650" data-end="414330">And they didn&#8217;t really have to invest in a lot of long-term strategies for the long-term</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="414330" data-end="415370">benefit of the company.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="416050" data-end="419850">That becomes a problem a lot of times with health care, because health care is inherently</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="419850" data-end="423790">a long-term industry and health is a long-term aspect.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="424250" data-end="429270">So it&#8217;s not necessarily the investment that&#8217;s a problem, but the strategies they use to make</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="429270" data-end="431290">the most profit in a short amount of time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="431830" data-end="436990">And because of how these firms buy in, they get full operating control, despite in most</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="436990" data-end="439890">cases not having any significant knowledge of health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="440350" data-end="446990">So private equity firms typically do full control buyouts of companies or assets or</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="446990" data-end="447590">things like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="447670" data-end="452190">So it&#8217;s a little different than venture capital or other types of investing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="452370" data-end="456110">While they may buy a few shares or they may just own a part of a company, private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="456110" data-end="459750">tends to get a controlling equity interest in the company.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="459870" data-end="464490">So they have operational control and they&#8217;re able to enforce decisions at the places that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="464490" data-end="465010">they purchase.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="465010" data-end="467950">They&#8217;re not people who have any health care background.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="468690" data-end="475950">So, for example, Blackstone, which invests in real estate, is a big investor in health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="475950" data-end="477310">equity and health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="477910" data-end="483250">They don&#8217;t know anything about running a health care institution, but that&#8217;s who&#8217;s investing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="483250" data-end="483670">in it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="483990" data-end="488550">Research shows that the typical game plan private equity firms use once they&#8217;ve acquired</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="488550" data-end="491630">an institution usually starts with cutting staff.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="491630" data-end="497050">They also typically focus on the more profitable services, often driving up the prices on those</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="497050" data-end="500050">while completely cutting the ones that don&#8217;t make as much money.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="500410" data-end="504370">So we see a lot of private equity investment in dentistry, for instance, because a lot</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="504370" data-end="509170">of times there is dental insurance, but there&#8217;s a lot of cash flow, people paying cash for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="509170" data-end="509610">procedures.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="509790" data-end="512190">And so that&#8217;s easy profit for a private equity firm.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="512809" data-end="519150">And so you couple cutting costs with trying to eke out profit and not a lot of kind of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="519150" data-end="520450">future thinking investment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="520450" data-end="525730">In addition, private equity firms do this tactic called the leverage buyout.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="525790" data-end="530250">And what that means is that they actually don&#8217;t put a lot of money into the companies</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="530250" data-end="531270">that they purchase.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="531410" data-end="532310">They use a lot of debt.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="532890" data-end="536630">Which means that the firm use very little of its own money in these purchases.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="537390" data-end="542570">Another bonus to this tactic is that the debt gets placed on the company they buy, not the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="542570" data-end="543190">firm itself.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="543710" data-end="546210">A very popular case right now is Walgreens.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="546210" data-end="549870">Walgreens just got bought out by a private equity firm, Sycamore Partners.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="550390" data-end="556330">Just over 70 percent of that Walgreens acquisition was actually financed by debt and not from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556330" data-end="557750">money from Sycamore Partners.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="558090" data-end="561810">But Walgreens is now going to be on the hook for paying that debt, not the private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="561810" data-end="563130">firm that owns Walgreens.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="563330" data-end="568530">So in the case of hospitals or nursing homes or in Walgreens case, you now have cutting</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="568530" data-end="570150">costs trying to drive profit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="570210" data-end="572050">In addition, high amounts of debt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="572050" data-end="577850">This strategy has been the cause of the financial ruin of many health care institutions owned</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="577850" data-end="579190">by private equity firms.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="579710" data-end="584870">In fact, the Private Equity Stakeholder Project reports that seven of the eight largest health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="584870" data-end="588390">care bankruptcies in 2024 were backed by these firms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="588950" data-end="593050">They also resulted in more than 65,000 layoffs across America.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="593530" data-end="599090">So if these practices are leading to worse patient care, bankruptcies and closures, are</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="599090" data-end="603550">we on a fast track to a destabilized health care system with even less patient access</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="603550" data-end="604590">than we have today?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="605270" data-end="608830">Parr says it&#8217;s a fear that&#8217;s only grown with the recent Walgreens acquisition.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="609410" data-end="611430">Patients have such direct access to Walgreens.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="611550" data-end="613110">It&#8217;s in nearly every community.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="613630" data-end="617510">Many rural communities only have a Walgreens for pharmacy access.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="618270" data-end="624450">And so if you take what we&#8217;ve seen traditionally and historically with these firms and extrapolate</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="624450" data-end="626630">it to Walgreens, which is in almost every community.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="626630" data-end="632510">And if Walgreens does fail, because like we&#8217;ve seen other health care companies fail, you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="632510" data-end="637450">have direct lifelines in communities all over the country that will lose access to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="637450" data-end="637810">health care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="638390" data-end="643090">Thankfully, Fenney says some states have started to move towards increasing ownership transparency</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="643570" data-end="646370">and pre-transaction review for the private market.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="646510" data-end="651730">So if a private equity firm proposes a deal in which it acquires a health care provider,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="651730" data-end="656690">it would have to receive review and approval from the appropriate state entity.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="657130" data-end="663770">We&#8217;ve also seen states are starting to consider limits on certain practices by private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="663770" data-end="670830">firms, including limits on sale-leaseback transactions and dividend recapitalizations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="671790" data-end="677430">And then states have also started to consider reinvigorating longstanding corporate practice</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="677430" data-end="682850">of medicine laws, which keep clinical decisions with medical professionals instead of the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="682850" data-end="684090">corporations that own them.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="684530" data-end="688970">You can find more information about Matthew Parr, Michael Fenney, Lynn Unruh, and all of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="688970" data-end="691970">our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="692410" data-end="694090">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="694270" data-end="696450">Our executive producer is Amir Ozaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="696870" data-end="697850">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="704480" data-end="707720">Coming up, should mental health literacy be taught in school?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="707720" data-end="709660">When Radio Health Journal returns.</span></span> </p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="778360" data-end="783100">Some mental health conditions have become cultural buzzwords like anxiety and depression,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="783400" data-end="787900">while others have set the stage for blockbuster movies like the 2016 film Split.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="788500" data-end="791340">And though public awareness of mental illness has increased,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="791660" data-end="794040">can the same be said for public understanding?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="794780" data-end="799040">Annie Sleese is the co-founder and CEO of the Mental Health Literacy Collaborative,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="799340" data-end="801080">a national nonprofit organization.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="801080" data-end="806260">She believes education needs to be a foundational component of any mental health initiative,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="806560" data-end="807580">especially in schools.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="808120" data-end="812000">Though she&#8217;s now a leader in this movement, there was a time when Sleese was a parent,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="812540" data-end="815700">unaware of how much she needed this knowledge in her own life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="815940" data-end="822280">I was teaching 90 students a year and directing two musicals a year every year</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="822280" data-end="826860">and continued to do that while my child&#8217;s condition deteriorated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="826860" data-end="831140">And within a couple of years, I was navigating the prison system</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="831140" data-end="835260">as a direct result of my child&#8217;s unmet mental health needs</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="835260" data-end="840460">turning into substance misuse and being in the wrong place at the wrong time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="840980" data-end="846280">In 2010, Sleese was navigating how to be a teacher and primary caregiver to her two children,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="846500" data-end="850600">while dealing with what she thought was the typical teenage rough patch with her oldest,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="850780" data-end="852040">who&#8217;d just graduated high school.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="852660" data-end="856240">Looking back now, there are so many signs Sleese can see clear as day,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="856240" data-end="859080">but before she had any real understanding of mental illness,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="859380" data-end="863140">she dismissed even the stranger ones as personality quirks they&#8217;d grow out of.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="863280" data-end="867680">What I think I should have recognized, and had I had training, I would have known,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="868000" data-end="869800">was my child was fearful.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="870320" data-end="873140">I found butter knives in the couch.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="873560" data-end="875700">And I would ask, you know, what happened here?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="875720" data-end="878380">Was someone buttering a bagel in the living room?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="878480" data-end="878780">You know, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="879320" data-end="880660">And that wasn&#8217;t it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="880780" data-end="882760">It was, oh no, that&#8217;s mine, mom.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="882840" data-end="884140">It&#8217;s for me to feel safer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="884140" data-end="886400">And I thought, what do you mean safer?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="886980" data-end="887740">We have a house.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="887900" data-end="888700">We&#8217;re locking the doors.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="888780" data-end="889460">We have security.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889540" data-end="890240">What&#8217;s going on?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="890740" data-end="894200">And what I didn&#8217;t realize was my child was feeling paranoia.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="894560" data-end="902240">My child was feeling signs of unsettled, being able to discern reality from things that weren&#8217;t real.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="902600" data-end="907840">So that fear manifested itself in bringing a butter knife around.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="908500" data-end="911840">By the time Sleese realized that her child was experiencing a mental illness,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="911840" data-end="916000">they were 18 and able to fight against the inpatient program she requested.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="916600" data-end="918920">Instead, they compromised on an outpatient treatment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="919380" data-end="920760">I was like, wait, I&#8217;m the mom.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="921380" data-end="923060">And they were like, yeah, but your child&#8217;s 18.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="923340" data-end="927240">So your child decided that that&#8217;s not going to work, so this is what we&#8217;re going to do.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="927760" data-end="933300">When we did that, it was in that facility as an outpatient that my child accessed a firearm,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="933900" data-end="938820">got it from another person receiving care during a parking lot smoke break,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="938820" data-end="942940">just going outside, getting fresh air, and buying a firearm out of the trunk of someone&#8217;s car.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="943420" data-end="946540">My child brought it home, and then my 13-year-old found it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="946860" data-end="952680">So I was trying to manage this distress internally, quietly, and obviously deeply stigmatized.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="952960" data-end="958820">So two years go by, and the thing that made me actually do something was the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="959400" data-end="963580">When that happened, my eyes were just opened, and I was like, oh, my gosh,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="963620" data-end="968160">there is so much parallel between what happened and what was going on in my house.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="968160" data-end="970560">Now, there are great differences, too.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="971100" data-end="975500">The perpetrator in that incident had a very different sort of set of circumstances,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="976000" data-end="980360">but the mother I definitely connected and could relate to.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="980760" data-end="985700">The mother was said to have been fearful, and I was fearful at that point.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="986100" data-end="990380">She started building a community through a blog, and though it was making an impact,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="990600" data-end="996300">Sleese realized the hypocrisy of her fight to normalize mental health issues while hiding from her own story.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="996300" data-end="1000760">It was anonymous. I was talking all about the stigma of mental health,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1000840" data-end="1007600">yet not willing to tell anybody my name or what I did or where I live because deeply stigmatized I was.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1007920" data-end="1012240">But over time, I got a lot of people reaching out from all over the world saying,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1012460" data-end="1015380">this sounds a whole lot like someone I know, or this sounds like my story,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1015420" data-end="1017240">or my family went through something like this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1017660" data-end="1020700">And as that happened, it just built and built and built,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1020840" data-end="1025700">and I realized that there was work to be done, and maybe I could help do it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1025700" data-end="1031540">She started by helping Sandy Hook Promise roll out their Know the Signs school programs in 2016.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1032300" data-end="1034500">Soon after, Sleese decided to go all in.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1034960" data-end="1038740">She quit her job teaching and became the Director of Advocacy and Education</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1038740" data-end="1041420">at the National Alliance on Mental Illness in Delaware.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1041900" data-end="1046940">My role at NAMI allowed me to, first of all, learn all the facts I didn&#8217;t know,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1047240" data-end="1053100">and share them with parents like me, with individuals like my child, with community leaders,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1053100" data-end="1057100">and then to advocate for policies that would make lives better.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1057800" data-end="1061520">And when I did that, that&#8217;s really what brought me to what I&#8217;m doing now,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1061840" data-end="1068440">because doing that policy piece allowed me to recognize the influence that policy can have,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1068500" data-end="1071680">the positive work that can be done, but also the gaps.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1072380" data-end="1075680">And what my work does now is address one of those gaps.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1076280" data-end="1077960">Which is mental health literacy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1077960" data-end="1083840">Understanding what mental illness is and being able to recognize the signs in yourself and others.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1084540" data-end="1088580">More than 30 states have some sort of mental health education policy in place,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1088740" data-end="1092420">but Sleese says there&#8217;s no universal framework for what should be taught.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1092900" data-end="1095780">On top of that, it&#8217;s hard for teachers to follow a policy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1095780" data-end="1099180">and explain something that they themselves don&#8217;t truly understand.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1099600" data-end="1104460">Just like me, having been a teacher my whole career and not being able to help my own child,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1104460" data-end="1108820">most educators don&#8217;t get this information, most educators aren&#8217;t trained in this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1109200" data-end="1112820">So whether or not you have a policy in place that requires something,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1113080" data-end="1115760">or you just have people who want to do it,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1116140" data-end="1121220">you still need to have the background, the foundation, the confidence around this topic</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1121220" data-end="1124580">that&#8217;s needed to provide the information thoughtfully.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1125000" data-end="1130460">The gap between policy and action is what the Mental Health Literacy Collaborative is helping to close.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1130460" data-end="1135880">We&#8217;re trying to elevate this framework that has been in existence for decades,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1136040" data-end="1142440">but we&#8217;re trying to elevate it as a potential roadmap for school education systems</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1142440" data-end="1145040">to implement mental health education universally.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1145640" data-end="1150160">And doing that with that framework allows people to understand kind of four big ideas</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1150160" data-end="1153940">and to make those ideas suitable for the audience.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1154240" data-end="1158540">It&#8217;s understanding how to foster and maintain positive mental health,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1158540" data-end="1161740">understanding common disorders and their treatments,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1162400" data-end="1164500">understanding how to seek help effectively,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1165060" data-end="1167740">and understanding stigma and how to reduce it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1168100" data-end="1172640">Sleese believes that just simply being aware of a few statistics can make a huge difference.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1173160" data-end="1179020">In fact, she thinks that if she knew nearly half of all lifetime mental disorders begin by the age of 14,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1179500" data-end="1183460">she would have reacted much differently to her child&#8217;s odd behaviors early on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1183460" data-end="1189480">That fact alone, I think, would have changed the trajectory of my child&#8217;s life</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1189480" data-end="1192120">if I had known that raising my child.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1192420" data-end="1194860">Because I think I would have recognized far sooner.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1195300" data-end="1199720">Because looking back, there were signs way earlier than age of 18.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1200320" data-end="1205900">But I would have also pushed back on discussions with physicians when I was asked,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1205980" data-end="1210980">or with therapists, because there was therapy on and off throughout my child&#8217;s growing up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1211440" data-end="1214240">But every time I would say, I think it&#8217;s more than this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1214320" data-end="1215520">I think this is going on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1215720" data-end="1218040">I would be told, we&#8217;re in the normal range.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1218120" data-end="1218880">This is all fine.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1218940" data-end="1219800">Mom, this is fine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1219920" data-end="1220800">Everything&#8217;s fine, Mom.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1221000" data-end="1223940">I would be called Mom, which was very annoying to me.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1224100" data-end="1230000">But also, I was sort of put in my place, and I didn&#8217;t know that I could be the expert of my child.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230300" data-end="1232060">I thought, they&#8217;re the expert.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1232560" data-end="1233780">They have the MD degree.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1234180" data-end="1235800">I should just sit down and be quiet.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1235800" data-end="1242060">And so one of my biggest lessons, I think, is to remind people that you&#8217;re the expert of your child.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1242520" data-end="1243120">You know.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1243500" data-end="1248800">And if you don&#8217;t feel like this particular diagnosis or this particular treatment plan</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1248800" data-end="1251740">or this particular situation is right, speak up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1252020" data-end="1254260">And if they&#8217;re not listening, speak to somebody else.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1254600" data-end="1259060">Sleese says mental health literacy isn&#8217;t just for parents and teachers to notice and understand.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1259520" data-end="1262960">She believes it can and should be taught to kids of all ages.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1262960" data-end="1268560">The messaging may change when talking to a third grader versus a high schooler, but the outcome is the same.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1269060" data-end="1272540">Understanding the brain, emotions, and overall health.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1272960" data-end="1276200">Let&#8217;s hope that by the age of, I don&#8217;t know, 9 and 10,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1276640" data-end="1281860">we have young people who understand that health conditions happen in all parts of our body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1282280" data-end="1285540">Sometimes we get sick, and it&#8217;s our heart that&#8217;s sick.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1285640" data-end="1287580">Sometimes we get sick, it&#8217;s our stomach that&#8217;s sick.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1287660" data-end="1289620">Sometimes we get sick, it&#8217;s our brain that&#8217;s sick.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1289620" data-end="1295400">That&#8217;s the idea of mental health literacy, is it&#8217;s just a piece of health literacy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1295660" data-end="1300320">Something that young people and people of all ages have been building.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1300920" data-end="1305520">We understand really common things, like no one shies away from a broken bone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1305960" data-end="1307900">If you have a broken arm, people don&#8217;t go,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1308000" data-end="1311100">oh no, I can&#8217;t talk about that, don&#8217;t tell me about that broken bone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1311400" data-end="1314180">We have a general idea of what happens with a broken bone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1314540" data-end="1317180">We also understand, because we understand the treatment,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1317180" data-end="1319960">we understand that after you wear that cast for a little while,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1320080" data-end="1323340">that cast is going to come off, and your arm&#8217;s going to look kind of like it did before,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1323440" data-end="1324200">and it&#8217;s going to be okay.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1324720" data-end="1326700">That&#8217;s our health literacy in action.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1327240" data-end="1331120">What we&#8217;re trying to do is add the piece of health literacy that&#8217;s been missing,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1331480" data-end="1334240">mental health literacy, and young people can learn it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1334360" data-end="1338460">One argument that pushes back against including mental health literacy in school</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1338460" data-end="1342200">is the idea that teachers aren&#8217;t qualified to be speaking about the brain.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1342500" data-end="1345080">And though it&#8217;s true they&#8217;re usually not neurologists,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345080" data-end="1347420">Sleese says that with the right tools and resources,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1347740" data-end="1351260">they can confidently and accurately teach a foundational understanding</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1351640" data-end="1354280">of mental health that can be extremely impactful.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1354860" data-end="1358080">You can find more information about the Mental Health Literacy Collaborative,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1358340" data-end="1362060">Annie Sleese, and all of our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1362480" data-end="1364220">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1364420" data-end="1366200">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1366660" data-end="1367320">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1375990" data-end="1378370">RadioHealth Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1382640" data-end="1385080">This is the sound of captivity.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1387720" data-end="1389920">This is the sound of rescue.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1391420" data-end="1394200">And this is the sound of freedom.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1395240" data-end="1398640">Give Armenia&#8217;s captive bears a second chance</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1398640" data-end="1401400">by supporting International Animal Rescue.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1401860" data-end="1408880">Call 508-826-1083 or search The Great Bear Rescue to learn more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1410760" data-end="1413280">Whoa, it&#8217;s you, the Capital One bank guy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1413380" data-end="1414480">That&#8217;s what they call me.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1414600" data-end="1415700">Mind if I get a selfie?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416000" data-end="1416760">Yeah, sure thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416940" data-end="1420100">Say, no fees or minimums on your Capital One checking account.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1420720" data-end="1421780">Wow, that&#8217;s a keeper.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1422480" data-end="1423840">So, where are you heading?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1424020" data-end="1426600">I&#8217;m off to spread the good news that Capital One helps people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1426600" data-end="1429240">keep more money in their wallet with no overdraft fees.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1429440" data-end="1431300">You&#8217;re the best Capital One bank guy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1431440" data-end="1432780">Hey, mind if I get a selfie?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1433020" data-end="1433460">Sure.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1433920" data-end="1436560">Say, Capital One, what&#8217;s in your wallet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1436560" data-end="1437220">Terms apply.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1437420" data-end="1439040">See CapitalOne.com slash bank for details.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439240" data-end="1440340">Capital One and a member FDIC.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1441040" data-end="1444440">Behold, the Colonel&#8217;s giant KFC chicken sandwich.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1444660" data-end="1447320">A towering, extra-crispy monument to flavor.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1447960" data-end="1451360">Such a huge amount of juicy, hand-breaded KFC chicken</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1451360" data-end="1453760">at a pretty tiny $3.99 price</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1453760" data-end="1456740">for the Colonel&#8217;s KFC chicken sandwich.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1457380" data-end="1460840">I mean, $3.99 isn&#8217;t even worthy of the same epic soundtrack as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1460840" data-end="1464100">the KFC chicken sandwich for only $3.99.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1464520" data-end="1467060">The Colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1467580" data-end="1469420">Prices and participation vary while supplies last.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1469500" data-end="1470420">Taxes, tips, and fees extra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1471120" data-end="1472780">Progressive has great customer service,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1472940" data-end="1475760">and it&#8217;s easy to reach us because great and easy is the way to be.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475960" data-end="1477580">Like salads.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475960" data-end="1477580">Great for you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1477680" data-end="1479900">And so easy you can put any group of veggies in a bowl</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1479900" data-end="1480640">and it&#8217;s a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480980" data-end="1482660">A full carrot with a head of cabbage?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1483020" data-end="1484520">Weird, but still a salad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484860" data-end="1486300">One radish and a couple of green beans?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1486480" data-end="1487180">Also a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1487460" data-end="1489520">14 blueberries, half an onion, and a sunchoke?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1489780" data-end="1491760">Odd, yes, but an odd salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1491760" data-end="1494300">So contact Progressive&#8217;s customer service</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1494300" data-end="1495620">by phone, app, or online.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1495820" data-end="1498040">It&#8217;s great and easy, just like salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1498420" data-end="1500120">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company &amp; Appellants.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1503520" data-end="1505220">Medical Notes this week.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1505720" data-end="1508120">Why does asthma differ between genders?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1508960" data-end="1511640">Research shows that the condition starts at different times,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1511860" data-end="1513080">presents with different symptoms,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513340" data-end="1516100">and responds differently to treatment between men and women.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1516560" data-end="1519820">A new study examined this divergence at a genetic level</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1519820" data-end="1522100">and identified 61 genes</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1522100" data-end="1525540">that have significantly different expressions related to asthma.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1526100" data-end="1528300">Surprisingly, this research also revealed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1528300" data-end="1531900">that the condition changes depending on age and tissue type, too.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1532340" data-end="1536780">The research is published in the American Journal of Respiratory Cell and Molecular Biology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1537760" data-end="1540280">Does a doctor need to be present on every flight?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1540860" data-end="1542700">New research in JAMA Network Open</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1542700" data-end="1545900">analyzed how frequent medical emergencies are in the air.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1546340" data-end="1548260">Between 2022 and 2023,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1548260" data-end="1551040">they reviewed medical calls from 84 airlines</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1551040" data-end="1553520">that flew more than 3 billion passengers.</span></span></p><p><span 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		<title>Eight Charged in $8.4 Million Medicaid Fraud Scheme Linked to Minnesota Housing Program</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2025 22:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[$8 million Medicaid fraud]]></category>
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									<p data-start="538" data-end="562"> </p><p data-start="538" data-end="562"><strong data-start="538" data-end="560">Major Takeaways:</strong></p><ul data-start="563" data-end="854"><li data-start="563" data-end="660"><p data-start="565" data-end="660">Eight individuals are facing federal charges for allegedly defrauding Medicaid of $8 million.</p></li><li data-start="661" data-end="747"><p data-start="663" data-end="747">The scheme was connected to the state’s now-defunct Housing Stabilization Program.</p></li><li data-start="748" data-end="854"><p data-start="750" data-end="854">Prosecutors say the fraud deprived vulnerable families of resources and highlighted gaps in oversight.</p></li></ul><h2 data-start="223" data-end="426">Eight Charged in $8.4 Million Medicaid Fraud Tied to Minnesota Housing Program</h2><p data-start="223" data-end="426">Federal prosecutors in Minnesota have charged eight people in what they describe as a large-scale <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/mississippi-woman-indicted-for-snap-fraud-but-lets-talk-about-who-really-got-away-with-millions/">fraud</a> scheme that siphoned millions of dollars from a program meant to help people keep stable housing.</p><p data-start="428" data-end="786">According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Minnesota, the defendants collectively billed Medicaid for nearly <strong data-start="554" data-end="570">$8.4 million</strong> in housing stabilization services that were never provided. The charges stem from Minnesota’s Housing Stabilization Services (HSS) program, launched in 2022 to support low-income residents at risk of homelessness.</p><p data-start="788" data-end="1066">Prosecutors allege the defendants, who operated through four different service providers, submitted thousands of false claims for housing-related support. Instead of delivering real services, they allegedly pocketed the money, exploiting weaknesses in the program’s oversight.</p><blockquote data-start="1068" data-end="1288"><p data-start="1070" data-end="1288">“This was a scheme that diverted taxpayer resources away from people who needed them most,” said U.S. Attorney Andrew Luger, calling the indictments “the first wave” of cases related to Medicaid abuse in the program.</p></blockquote><p data-start="1290" data-end="1570">The Housing Stabilization Services program, while designed to keep vulnerable Minnesotans in safe housing, has faced mounting scrutiny for loose enrollment rules and rapid growth in spending. Federal officials say the system’s low barriers made it an easy target for fraudsters.</p><p data-start="1572" data-end="1821">The eight defendants face multiple counts of wire fraud, a charge that carries the potential for prison sentences, restitution, and heavy fines. Prosecutors indicated that further investigations are ongoing, signaling that more cases could follow.</p><p data-start="1823" data-end="2033">For Minnesota, the scandal raises pressing questions: how can programs meant to provide lifelines to struggling families be protected from exploitation — and how will oversight be strengthened moving forward?</p>								</div>
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