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		<title>3 Powerful Truths About Household Labor and Criminal Records That Still Control American Lives</title>
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									<p><strong>Major Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li data-start="648" data-end="789"><p data-start="650" data-end="789">Women still perform most household labor, including the invisible mental work of managing families even when both partners work full time</p></li><li data-start="790" data-end="890"><p data-start="792" data-end="890">Criminal records lock millions of Americans out of stable careers long after their sentences end</p></li><li data-start="891" data-end="1022"><p data-start="893" data-end="1022">New Clean Slate laws aim to give people a second chance by sealing eligible criminal records and restoring economic opportunity</p></li></ul>								</div>
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									<h2>How household labor and criminal records shape lives</h2><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="4510" data-end="6930">This week on Viewpoints.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="7109" data-end="12670">The anticipating of the needs, the management, the oversight of schedules and calendars,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="12990" data-end="15510">knowing what&#8217;s coming up next and being prepared for it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="15830" data-end="18690">Some chores are obvious, others never make the list.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="19010" data-end="22250">We look at why household work still isn&#8217;t shared evenly.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="23010" data-end="23610">Then…</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="23610" data-end="28770">They&#8217;ve all talked about how their record has continued to haunt them in a sense of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="28770" data-end="33010">where they work, where they can go to school, if they&#8217;re able to participate in their</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="33010" data-end="33870">kids&#8217; livelihood.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="34450" data-end="38850">How a new law aims to change what a criminal record means for millions of people.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="39270" data-end="40090">I&#8217;m Marty Peterson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="40430" data-end="41570">And I&#8217;m Gary Price.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="41970" data-end="46550">These stories in-depth this week on your Public Affairs magazine, Viewpoints.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="48250" data-end="50230">Mmm, that smells good, Ma.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="50410" data-end="51170">What you making?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="51490" data-end="52510">Just a little something.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="52750" data-end="55710">Collard greens, cornbread, fried chicken and peach cobbler.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="55990" data-end="56770">Some leftovers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="57930" data-end="58890">Some leftovers?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="59950" data-end="63810">Listen, I&#8217;ve been meaning to talk to you about some new <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/pandemics-and-public-health-lessons-since-covid-19/">COVID</a> information I saw online.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="63950" data-end="66130">See, because you&#8217;re always on that phone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="66390" data-end="67170">I&#8217;m serious.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="67790" data-end="71610">I read that 3 out of 4 adults in the United States have a high risk factor for severe</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="71610" data-end="72330">COVID-19.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="72910" data-end="77350">And Black folks like us with certain conditions like diabetes, heart disease, mental health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="77350" data-end="80970">conditions, or being 50 and older, like you, are at high risk.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="81050" data-end="82770">Boy, you sound like a commercial.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="82910" data-end="83730">I&#8217;m just saying.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="83730" data-end="86370">I know you love your ginger teas and essential oils.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="86910" data-end="90490">But remember, there are treatment options for COVID-19 if you ever get it again.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="90970" data-end="91350">Uh-huh.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="91670" data-end="95670">I promise if I get sick again, I&#8217;ll call my doctor to ask about my options.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="95950" data-end="96870">I love you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="97010" data-end="97690">I love you too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="97950" data-end="99050">I&#8217;m glad we had this talk.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="99270" data-end="99750">Me too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="100050" data-end="100990">Now get out of my kitchen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="103110" data-end="105370">Visit wetalkwerise.com to learn more.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="105670" data-end="106710">Brought to you by Pfizer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="115430" data-end="116630">It&#8217;s Monday morning.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="116930" data-end="118070">The trash is full.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="118170" data-end="119170">The fridge is empty.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="119430" data-end="121110">School forms need to be signed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="121110" data-end="124330">A birthday is coming up and someone has to remember the gift.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="124950" data-end="129150">These are the kinds of small, everyday details that quietly pile up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="129650" data-end="135910">Kate Mangino studies how these responsibilities, both physical and mental, are divided between</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="135910" data-end="136390">partners.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="136990" data-end="142650">She&#8217;s a gender expert and the author of Equal Partners, Improving Gender Equality at Home.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="143050" data-end="148330">She says this imbalance often comes down to what she calls cognitive labor, the invisible</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="148330" data-end="152950">work of planning, organizing, and remembering everything on the to-do list.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="153310" data-end="158030">In many heterosexual relationships, where both partners are working and earning money,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="158470" data-end="161610">women are still handling the majority of this work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="161870" data-end="167030">I raise the fact that it is definitely the physical tasks that are important.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="167170" data-end="170990">You have to think about washing the dishes and doing the shopping and bathing kids and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="170990" data-end="175890">grooming pets, but there&#8217;s also the cognitive labor that&#8217;s really important, the anticipating</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="175890" data-end="182010">of the needs, the management, the oversight of schedules and calendars, knowing what&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="182010" data-end="186870">coming up next and being prepared for it, evaluating situations, making decisions.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="187050" data-end="188630">There&#8217;s a lot of household work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="188750" data-end="193830">Just like a project manager does in an office setting, there&#8217;s a lot of project management</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="193830" data-end="198890">work that happens in the home, and that work isn&#8217;t necessarily doing something physically.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="198890" data-end="199970">It&#8217;s in your mind.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="200210" data-end="205510">A 2023 Pew Research Center study found that even in marriages where partners earn about</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="205510" data-end="210830">the same, husbands spend roughly three and a half more hours per week on leisure than</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="210830" data-end="211350">wives.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="211850" data-end="217150">Meanwhile, wives spend about two additional hours on caregiving and roughly two and a half</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="217150" data-end="219050">more hours on housework.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="219490" data-end="224670">The data shows that even as financial roles have evened out, responsibility at home hasn&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="224670" data-end="226050">followed at the same pace.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="226550" data-end="232150">Mangino says that deep-rooted societal norms still affect people&#8217;s breakdown of who does</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="232150" data-end="232450">what.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="232450" data-end="236950">While it can appear that both partners are doing an equal amount based on difficulty,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237310" data-end="240570">there are tasks that women tend to do that are more relentless.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="241130" data-end="243570">If you miss a day, it&#8217;s very obvious.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="243810" data-end="247430">If you stop washing dishes for one day, if you stop feeding your children for one day,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="247890" data-end="249510">the household is going to notice.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="249670" data-end="252430">It&#8217;s going to be problematic, to say the least.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="252910" data-end="257510">And these everyday routine tasks follow you on vacation, they follow you on holidays.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="257510" data-end="261490">It&#8217;s very hard to ever relax or get away or have a break.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="261490" data-end="264150">Outdoor tasks are labeled as intermittent.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="264570" data-end="269510">These are things that can happen on weekends, and if you don&#8217;t mow the lawn one Saturday,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="269810" data-end="274530">you might annoy your neighbor, but it&#8217;s not going to be as problematic as, for example,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="274590" data-end="275730">not feeding your kids.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="276270" data-end="281050">So there&#8217;s flexibility that comes with those outdoor intermittent tasks, and there&#8217;s lack</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="281050" data-end="283710">of flexibility with those indoor routine tasks.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="284070" data-end="289630">So even though we delegate this way, you know, she does this and I do this, I think it&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="289630" data-end="294570">really important to realize that delegation doesn&#8217;t always mean you&#8217;re reaching parity.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="295110" data-end="299410">There&#8217;s also been real progress over the past several decades, especially among younger</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="299410" data-end="304250">couples who are having more open and honest conversations about how to better divide</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="304250" data-end="307190">responsibilities so it feels more like a partnership.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="307750" data-end="313170">Looking ahead, Mangino points out that long-term change starts even earlier with how <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/heart-wrenching-4-victims-killed-3-children-among-dead-in-california-birthday-party-massacre/">parents</a>,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="313370" data-end="317850">caregivers, and teachers shape expectations for young girls and boys.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="317850" data-end="324030">I think we still raise girls with this unspoken objective in their life that they&#8217;re going</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="324030" data-end="329210">to take care of a domestic space, that they should prioritize domestic space over income</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="329210" data-end="331550">generation, and I think it&#8217;s the opposite with boys.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="331670" data-end="337630">We raise them with the implicit message that to provide for a family, you need to earn</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="337630" data-end="337930">money.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="338490" data-end="344070">So a lot of women, I think, fall into this cognitive labor role, and people say, oh,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="344070" data-end="348910">it&#8217;s her personality, or she&#8217;s just really good at multitasking, or she&#8217;s good at all</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="348910" data-end="350170">those little things in the house.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350590" data-end="352750">I don&#8217;t actually think it&#8217;s about her personality.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="352970" data-end="358790">I think women are sort of trained to take care of the home, and that multitasking and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="358790" data-end="363490">that skill set that she&#8217;s learned throughout her life to do those things is more a coping</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="363490" data-end="368850">mechanism to meet social expectations of what she&#8217;s going to do when she grows up and is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="368850" data-end="369190">a mom.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="369530" data-end="372530">She believes that young girls today are more empowered.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="372530" data-end="377210">They&#8217;re taught that you can have it all, an ambitious career and a family if you want</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="377210" data-end="377370">it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="377590" data-end="381370">But she says there hasn&#8217;t been as much movement in how we bring up boys.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="381890" data-end="386470">I think there&#8217;s a lot of work we could do in helping boys to learn how to be caregivers,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="386870" data-end="391950">to value caregiving, to understand that unpaid work in the home is also providing for your</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="391950" data-end="398210">family, and I think that there&#8217;s work to be done with boys and young men to sort of prepare</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="398210" data-end="402430">them to be more equal partners in their home and to take on those <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/esports-pickleball-rise-of-new-sports/">cognitive</a> labor tasks.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="402910" data-end="407710">She adds that involving young boys in routine household work and caregiving roles from an</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="407710" data-end="411190">early age can help reset expectations over time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="411630" data-end="416910">I think just as we look at little girls who hold their dolls and take them for a walk</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="416910" data-end="421230">in a pretend stroller and say, oh, she&#8217;s pretending to be a mommy, I think we need to have that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="421230" data-end="424790">same language with little boys and say, oh, you&#8217;d be a great daddy someday.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="425330" data-end="426870">Can you give your doll a hug and a kiss?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="426870" data-end="433250">When boys are a little bit older, try to find ways that boys can babysit, be caregivers</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="433250" data-end="436770">for smaller children in the family or neighbor kids.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="437510" data-end="441490">Involve boys in caregiving for older adults in your family.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="442130" data-end="447250">And by the time they&#8217;re teenagers, you can have really specific conversations about how</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="447250" data-end="450530">important caregiving is to the family.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="451030" data-end="452570">Make the invisible visible.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="452570" data-end="457830">So it&#8217;s hard enough for your partner to see the work that maybe you&#8217;re doing that isn&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="457830" data-end="462090">as obvious, but we also have to make that invisible work obvious to our kids as well.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="462770" data-end="467510">And conversations about improving gender equality at home aren&#8217;t about assigning blame.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="467870" data-end="472710">The end goal is to work better together as a couple so each person feels supported.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="473150" data-end="478290">To some, it may seem like gender equality is only directed at improving women&#8217;s lives.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="478290" data-end="482430">But Mangino argues that it benefits both men and women.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="483270" data-end="489070">When men are pushed into their masculinity box, this is what you&#8217;re going to do.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="489150" data-end="490070">You&#8217;re going to earn a paycheck.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="490570" data-end="494890">You&#8217;re going to provide for your family in a material way, and you&#8217;re not expected to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="494890" data-end="497930">provide for them in an emotional or a caregiving way.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="498570" data-end="503750">I think that you are limiting what men can do just as much as when you limit what women</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="503750" data-end="506710">can do by saying you have to have a focus on the home.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="506710" data-end="512610">To learn more about this topic and our guest, Kate Mangino, visit ViewpointsRadio.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="512909" data-end="519090">Also check out her book, Equal Partners, Improving Gender Equality at Home, available in bookstores</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="519090" data-end="520150">and online.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="520690" data-end="524270">This segment was written by our executive producer, Amira Zaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="524630" data-end="525810">I&#8217;m Gary Price.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="533510" data-end="539450">Coming up, why many women returning from prison are locked out of care-based jobs they&#8217;re</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="539450" data-end="542290">trained for and want to do when Viewpoints returns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="545690" data-end="549790">At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about going to the bathroom in public, so we decided</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="549790" data-end="550610">to sing about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="550710" data-end="552870">Let a candle pour some wine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="553110" data-end="556090">Grab a roll, the soft kind for a little me time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556310" data-end="558070">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="558630" data-end="560670">Wave the edges for my rear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="560910" data-end="563330">So let the softness caress your soul.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="563870" data-end="566070">Just relax, you&#8217;re on a roll.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="566370" data-end="566970">Let her rip.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="567290" data-end="569070">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="569070" data-end="571750">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear has the same softness you love.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="571810" data-end="574270">Now with wavy edges that tear better than the leading one-ply brand.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="574450" data-end="575490">Enjoy the go with Charmin.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="576010" data-end="578590">A KFC tale in the pursuit of flavor.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="578990" data-end="580570">The holidays were tricky for the Colonel.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="580850" data-end="586210">He loved people, but he also loved peace and quiet, so he cooked up KFC&#8217;s 4.99 Chicken</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="586210" data-end="586790">Pot Pie.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="587070" data-end="589610">Warm, flaky, with savory sauce and vegetables.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="589990" data-end="594750">It&#8217;s a tender, chicken-filled excuse to get some time to yourself and step away from decking</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="594750" data-end="596490">the halls, whatever that means.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="596490" data-end="599010">The Colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="599530" data-end="600790">KFC&#8217;s Chicken Pot Pie.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="600970" data-end="602910">The best 4.99 you&#8217;ll spend this season.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="603090" data-end="604850">Prices and participation may vary while supplies last.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604930" data-end="605750">Taxes, tips, and fees extra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="605950" data-end="608570">Every now and then I rinse it out.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="608810" data-end="611330">And I need to be rinsed tonight.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="612050" data-end="613570">And I need it more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="614450" data-end="617950">My kick was so bad and the smell never leaves.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="619330" data-end="623010">I don&#8217;t know what to do, I&#8217;m always in the dark.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="623010" data-end="627010">The sweat in deck sure smells like a dog park.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="627070" data-end="628550">I&#8217;m downy rinsing tonight.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="628630" data-end="631550">Downy Rinse fights stubborn odors in just one wash.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="631870" data-end="635630">When impossible odors get stuck in, rinse it out.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="636250" data-end="640530">If you love to travel, Capital One has a rewards credit card that&#8217;s perfect for you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="641010" data-end="645210">With the Capital One Venture X card, you earn unlimited double miles on everything you buy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="645750" data-end="650150">Plus, you get premium benefits at a collection of luxury hotels when you book on Capital</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="650150" data-end="650770">One Travel.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="650770" data-end="655930">And with Venture X, you get access to over 1,000 airport lounges worldwide.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="656770" data-end="660830">Open up a world of travel possibilities with the Capital One Venture X card.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="661170" data-end="662090">What&#8217;s in your wallet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="662490" data-end="662990">Terms apply.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="663230" data-end="664510">Lounge access is subject to change.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="664670" data-end="665930">See CapitalOne.com for details.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="674440" data-end="679340">For many people coming home from prison, the hardest part begins in the weeks and months</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="679340" data-end="683040">after release when the search for housing and steady work sets in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="683600" data-end="686100">One of those stories is that of Chanel Burnett.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="686100" data-end="691300">She&#8217;s in her mid-40s, lives in Virginia, is a mother of two, and is trying to rebuild</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="691300" data-end="694860">her life after serving an almost 20-year prison sentence.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="695360" data-end="700500">While she was incarcerated, she used her time to earn several certifications, including a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="700500" data-end="701600">paralegal license.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="702120" data-end="706840">She was released from prison last June and since then has been trying to land full-time</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="706840" data-end="707360">employment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="707920" data-end="710160">So far, that search has felt hopeless.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="710560" data-end="713080">It&#8217;s like a lot of places are saying they&#8217;re hiring them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="713080" data-end="718320">And when you do apply and they see these charges, they&#8217;re automatically not interested</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="718320" data-end="719000">any longer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="719580" data-end="722780">The only sector where she&#8217;s received a response is in retail.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="723260" data-end="728560">She currently juggles two part-time sales jobs, but neither has benefits and there&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="728560" data-end="730260">little opportunity for advancement.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="730880" data-end="734260">When I have these certifications saying that I&#8217;m qualified to do this, and even though</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="734260" data-end="738800">I may have the knowledge to do better things, I&#8217;m knocked out of the category by other</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="738800" data-end="740180">people who don&#8217;t have this felony.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="740180" data-end="746000">One resource she&#8217;s used is called TAP, or Total Action Against Poverty, which helps</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="746000" data-end="751900">connect job seekers with local TEMP agencies, staffing short-term roles for larger employers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="752500" data-end="757520">While these roles can in theory lead to permanent full-time jobs with the companies, Burnett</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="757520" data-end="758900">has never made the cut.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="759360" data-end="763880">I would get hired for a position through the TEMP agency, and when they would refer me</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="763880" data-end="767340">to the company, the company didn&#8217;t want to take me because they didn&#8217;t take felons.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="767340" data-end="771220">So it&#8217;s like, you set me up for this interview, and I did all this, and you say I have this</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="771220" data-end="774720">employment, and now I don&#8217;t have the job because the company said no.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="775100" data-end="776000">It is difficult.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="776540" data-end="778920">A lot of sleepless nights, honestly.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="779640" data-end="781500">Still trying to just process everything.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="781720" data-end="784680">I still journal to kind of just get myself through mentally.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="785280" data-end="785980">It&#8217;s been a lot.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="786240" data-end="787400">And Burnett isn&#8217;t alone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="787700" data-end="791400">What she keeps running into isn&#8217;t about interview performance or work ethic.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="791800" data-end="792860">It&#8217;s about risk.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="792860" data-end="798260">Without civil immunity protections, employers can face lawsuits if an employee with a criminal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="798260" data-end="800720">record commits another crime while on the job.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="801200" data-end="806200">To avoid that risk, many hiring departments quietly follow a policy that avoids bringing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="806200" data-end="807880">on anyone with a record.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="808480" data-end="813880">These blanket policies can dramatically reshape the job market for a large share of our workforce,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="814180" data-end="816160">who find themselves in the same position.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="816560" data-end="821880">The U.S. Chamber of Commerce reports that about 79 million people in America hold a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="822640" data-end="828120">This equates to roughly one in three adults, many of whom can&#8217;t find a job because of their</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="828120" data-end="828600">past.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="829180" data-end="834420">For many women in this group, a record becomes an automatic exclusion from pink-collar work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="834900" data-end="839900">These are service-oriented jobs in beauty, health care, administration, and other fields</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="839900" data-end="845060">they&#8217;re experienced in or drawn to, but can&#8217;t access because of state licensing rules.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="845300" data-end="851380">You can get the degrees, spend all this money, and then be told that you cannot take the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="851380" data-end="855660">exam, like you basically wasted all your money because you&#8217;re not going to be able</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="855660" data-end="858880">to go into the field that you went to school for.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="858980" data-end="860340">So it&#8217;s disheartening.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="860420" data-end="866500">It sends folks down a dark path when they&#8217;re looking forward to doing something new and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="866500" data-end="869700">exciting with their lives, and then doors are being shut in their face.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="870220" data-end="874540">That&#8217;s Collette Payne, a formerly incarcerated woman and the director of the Reclamation</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="874540" data-end="877760">Project at the Women&#8217;s Justice Institute in Chicago.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="877760" data-end="882940">Today, she works with many women with records who are trying to get hired within pink-collar</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="882940" data-end="883500">industries.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="884080" data-end="889360">Payne first entered the prison system at 14 and spent years cycling in and out before</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889360" data-end="891340">turning her life around in 2012.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="892060" data-end="897220">She&#8217;s long been drawn to people-facing work, and as part of a job readiness program, remembers</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="897220" data-end="903420">accepting an unpaid administrative and housing-focused internship at YMCA in downtown Chicago.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="903420" data-end="908420">After finishing the internship, she felt hopeful about the possibility of it leading to something</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="908420" data-end="908820">more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="909180" data-end="912320">I remember them wanting to hire me.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="912700" data-end="914760">And I feel they was like, you should put in for it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="914920" data-end="917740">After your internship, I did exactly that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="918180" data-end="923060">And then the background check came back, and they gave it to me in the mail.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="923680" data-end="928640">And they said, OK, you can dispute it and come in and talk about it, you know, with</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="928640" data-end="929220">the employer.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="929220" data-end="934140">And I was like, sure, because I know I just did this, I think it was a month internship</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="934140" data-end="935260">for free.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="935920" data-end="941260">And I was good enough to do that month internship for free, but I wasn&#8217;t good enough to be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="941260" data-end="941580">hired.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="942200" data-end="946500">And they told me, you know, because of your background, we&#8217;re not going to be able to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="946500" data-end="947000">hire you.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="947520" data-end="952440">In Payne&#8217;s case, she was exceptionally good in the role, but company policy kept it from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="952440" data-end="953260">becoming official.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="953260" data-end="959380">And she says this happens again and again, especially in jobs that involve care, trust</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="959380" data-end="960580">or special access.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="961220" data-end="966380">Many of these positions require state-issued licenses, leaving the final decision in the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="966380" data-end="970080">hands of occupational boards made up of professionals from that field.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="970480" data-end="975780">A lot of the roles and jobs that women play during their incarceration, they can&#8217;t come</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="975780" data-end="980320">home and get a license to do the very thing that they&#8217;ve been doing for years.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="980320" data-end="985320">That&#8217;s Marlon Chamberlain, a former prisoner and the founder and executive director of the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="985320" data-end="987960">Illinois Coalition to End Permanent Punishments.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="988480" data-end="993820">Chamberlain says that these panel experts who approve or deny licenses often have broad</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="993820" data-end="999460">discretion and little context for what a charge actually means or how long ago it happened.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="999900" data-end="1005700">Let&#8217;s say, for instance, you have a possession of a firearm and you were convicted of possession,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1005700" data-end="1011900">but the way the charge reads, if somebody from downstate who&#8217;s not aware of that particular</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1011900" data-end="1017080">charge, the way they would read that charge, it would look as if this person had a firearm</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1017080" data-end="1022980">and they were out in public sort of brandishing the gun or whatever when it was just a simple</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1022980" data-end="1023500">possession.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1023680" data-end="1029140">But the way that charge reads, certain people from different committees would deny that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1029140" data-end="1034400">person an opportunity for the license based on how the charge is read, not the actual</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1034400" data-end="1038660">charge or what this individual has done since the charge.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1039079" data-end="1043140">Data from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce also reflects this systemic failure.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1043780" data-end="1048220">Unemployment among people with criminal records currently hovers around 30 percent.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1048760" data-end="1054080">Compare this to the national unemployment rate of 4.6 percent from November of this year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1054520" data-end="1059300">One of the common themes that we&#8217;ve heard from individuals who have been out a year,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1059300" data-end="1066040">three years, five years, 10, 15, we&#8217;ve even talked to people who have been home 40 years,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1066400" data-end="1072640">is that they&#8217;ve all talked about how their record has continued to haunt them in a sense</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1072640" data-end="1077420">of where they work, where they live, where they can go to school, if they&#8217;re able to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1077420" data-end="1079840">participate in their kids&#8217; livelihood.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1080540" data-end="1085700">And so what we&#8217;ve also heard from people is that folks are not just looking to find a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1085700" data-end="1092660">job, folks are looking for careers, and there&#8217;s over a thousand statutory barriers that basically</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1092660" data-end="1096420">determine whether a person can pursue a career or not.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1096640" data-end="1102840">In Illinois, lawmakers recently passed the Clean Slate Act, a big step towards clearing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1102840" data-end="1104260">these barriers to employment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1104760" data-end="1110460">The new law automatically seals eligible criminal records after a set period of time without</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1110460" data-end="1115280">requiring people to go through the lengthy process of petitioning the courts or hiring</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1115280" data-end="1115760">a lawyer.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1116400" data-end="1121920">This shift is critical because it moves the burden and financial barrier off the individuals</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1121920" data-end="1124420">who are already struggling to get by.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1125160" data-end="1129900">In Illinois, about two million people are eligible and will begin having their records</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1129900" data-end="1132840">automatically sealed starting in 2026.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1133480" data-end="1138620">While law enforcement and other state agencies will still have access, private background</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1138620" data-end="1143120">checks done through employers and landlords will be cleared for those who are eligible.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1143120" data-end="1149100">The new law does have some exclusions and doesn&#8217;t wipe convictions for murder, sex offenses,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1149420" data-end="1151840">domestic battery, and other serious crimes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1152460" data-end="1156780">Chamberlain is clear that Clean Slate isn&#8217;t about eliminating consequences.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1157400" data-end="1162500">It&#8217;s about creating a path forward for those who&#8217;ve served their time and want to change.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1162880" data-end="1167920">I would make this distinction that we also believe in accountability, and so people who</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1167920" data-end="1172460">are out currently committing crimes, we believe they should be held accountable.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1172460" data-end="1178020">What we&#8217;re simply saying is, is that at some point, this individual may change, have a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1178020" data-end="1184280">change of heart, and we want to create opportunities and pathways where when people grow or people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1184280" data-end="1189300">mature, that they have an opportunity to change their life and that they&#8217;re not defined by</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1189300" data-end="1194760">one or two mistakes that they&#8217;ve made in life, that they&#8217;re given a real opportunity to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1194760" data-end="1195480">turn it around.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1195800" data-end="1198620">For people like Chanel Burnett, this is her reality.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1198620" data-end="1204080">She&#8217;s actively rebuilding her life and searching for a steady job that leads somewhere.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1204780" data-end="1210160">For her and many others across the country, laws like the Clean Slate Act will decide</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1210160" data-end="1214740">whether a past mistake will continue to cancel out every future possibility.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1215600" data-end="1220240">It would be very helpful if everybody&#8217;s slate could be wiped clean, and, you know, we&#8217;d be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1220240" data-end="1225400">all given a second chance without having being looked at as these awful people that, you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1225400" data-end="1226940">know, made these mistakes.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1226940" data-end="1230980">A lot of people make mistakes, but if we&#8217;re not given a chance to get back up and do</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230980" data-end="1234300">something different, then how are you ever going to know if we can do better if you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1234300" data-end="1235420">don&#8217;t provide the opportunity?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1235620" data-end="1241080">To learn more about this topic, resources, and our guests, Chanel Burnett, Colette Payne,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1241180" data-end="1244240">and Marlon Chamberlain, head to ViewpointsRadio.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1244760" data-end="1249400">For more behind the scenes and to support our show, follow us at Viewpoints Radio on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1249400" data-end="1251500">Instagram, Facebook, and X.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1251960" data-end="1255520">This story was written by our executive producer, Amira Zaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1255520" data-end="1257720">Our studio manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1258140" data-end="1259260">I&#8217;m Marty Peterson.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1265790" data-end="1267850">Viewpoints returns in just a moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1272530" data-end="1275190">A KFC tale in the pursuit of flavor.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1275530" data-end="1277170">The holidays were tricky for the Colonel.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1277490" data-end="1282750">He loved people, but he also loved peace and quiet, so he cooked up KFC&#8217;s 4.99 chicken</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1282750" data-end="1286190">pot pie, warm, flaky, with savory sauce and vegetables.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1286570" data-end="1290950">It&#8217;s a tender, chicken-filled excuse to get some time to yourself and step away from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1290950" data-end="1293050">decking the halls, whatever that means.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1293050" data-end="1295550">The Colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1296130" data-end="1297350">KFC&#8217;s chicken pot pie.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1297550" data-end="1299470">The best 4.99 you&#8217;ll spend this season.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1299670" data-end="1301390">Prices and participation may vary while supplies last.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1301490" data-end="1302330">Taxes, tips, and fees extra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1302590" data-end="1305090">Progressive presents a testimonial of sorts.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1305630" data-end="1306870">Hey, slow down!</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1307270" data-end="1309210">Oh yeah? Well, you drive like my grandma.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1309810" data-end="1313590">She&#8217;s a very attentive and courteous driver who wears a seatbelt and always uses her turn</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1313590" data-end="1314030">signals.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1314330" data-end="1316730">She&#8217;s also a talented painter and has very low cholesterol.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1317170" data-end="1320050">Not that that has anything to do with her driving, just thought a more complete picture</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1320050" data-end="1321390">of who she is might be interesting.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1321390" data-end="1322990">Anyway, have a nice day!</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1323530" data-end="1327490">Safe driver? Get Snapshot from Progressive and get a personalized rate based on how you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1327490" data-end="1327930">drive.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1328210" data-end="1329670">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliate.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1329710" data-end="1331310">Snapshot not available in California or from all agents.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1331410" data-end="1332450">Surcharge possible for unsafe driving.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1337020" data-end="1339200">This is Viewpoints Explained.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1339460" data-end="1340540">I&#8217;m Ebony McMorris.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1340840" data-end="1344560">Sometimes it feels like the news is one long string of hard headlines.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1344740" data-end="1350220">From political drama to rising costs to economic uncertainty, it can feel like everything is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1350220" data-end="1351760">moving in the wrong direction.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1352200" data-end="1354040">But there&#8217;s good things happening too.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1354040" data-end="1358760">And in 2026, we want to highlight more of these positive stories.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1359120" data-end="1364620">One example, the ozone layer is repairing itself and much faster than expected.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1365160" data-end="1369480">Scientists now estimate that parts of the protective layer have stabilized and could</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1369480" data-end="1373500">return to 1980 levels as early as next year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1373920" data-end="1378180">The ozone sits high in the stratosphere and shields us from the sun&#8217;s most harmful</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1378800" data-end="1379920">ultraviolet rays.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1379920" data-end="1385700">Without it, there would be much higher rates of skin cancer, large-scale crop damage, and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1385700" data-end="1387840">the ocean&#8217;s ecosystems would suffer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1388400" data-end="1394820">In the mid-1980s, scientists traced the damage back to human-created chemicals used in aerosols,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1395140" data-end="1397720">refrigeration, and industrial processes.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1398240" data-end="1405360">Not long after, in 1987, nearly every country signed onto the Montreal Protocol, an agreement</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1405360" data-end="1409980">to phase out ozone-depleting chemicals, including greenhouse gases.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1410400" data-end="1416100">Over time, the rules tightened, industries shifted to safer alternatives, and new monitoring</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416100" data-end="1418340">systems helped flag problems early.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1418760" data-end="1426700">One of those was a surge in illegal CFC emissions from eastern China in the mid-2010s that was</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1426700" data-end="1428220">quickly clamped down on.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1428420" data-end="1432280">Today, scientists say the ozone layer is slowly rebuilding itself.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1432280" data-end="1438600">The Antarctic hole is no longer expanding and the upper atmosphere is thickening again.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" 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data-start="1522620" data-end="1526560">But it&#8217;s lacking a real sense of passionate support.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1527040" data-end="1531960">Part of the issue is that we&#8217;ve already seen del Toro adapt so much of what makes</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1531960" data-end="1534700">Frankenstein memorable in his previous work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1535120" data-end="1540960">For example, Pan&#8217;s Labyrinth is a dark mythic fairy tale, and The Shape of Water already</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 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									<p data-start="491" data-end="515"><strong data-start="491" data-end="513">Major Takeaways:</strong></p><ul data-start="516" data-end="946"><li data-start="516" data-end="654"><p data-start="518" data-end="654">Accurate ADHD diagnosis requires collaboration between psychiatrists, teachers, and parents, as symptoms often mimic other conditions.</p></li><li data-start="655" data-end="790"><p data-start="657" data-end="790">Medications remain the most effective ADHD treatment, but therapy and parent support can further help children navigate challenges.</p></li><li data-start="791" data-end="946"><p data-start="793" data-end="946">Core childhood wounds, or “primal wounds,” can be reframed into strengths, helping individuals turn trauma into resilience and healthier communication.</p></li></ul><h2>Turning Trauma Into Strength: ADHD Treatment and the Power of Primal Wounds</h2><p>You&#8217;re listening to <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/radio-health-journal-8-29-2025-short-kids-are-being-given-growth-hormones-is-it-safe/">Radio Health Journal</a>, the trusted news source for medicine, science and technology. I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield. I&#8217;m Mayan Vasta Betancourt.</p><p>And I&#8217;m Greg Johnson. This week, how to turn your trauma into your biggest asset. Your past is not your problem.</p><p>It actually becomes your superpower. My framework actually flips the script entirely and says, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with you. Let&#8217;s embrace it and take it and do something with it.</p><p>But first, why ADHD treatment needs a team-based approach. Even if it&#8217;s the best medicine and it&#8217;s really helpful for this kid, if that medicine doesn&#8217;t get into that kid&#8217;s mouth and into the body, it&#8217;s not going to be helpful. All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</p><p>Do Crohn&#8217;s disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms keep coming back? Tremphaya, gaselkomab, may help, with rapid remission achieved at 12 weeks and lasting clinical remission at one year. Some even saw visible improvement of their intestinal lining at 12 weeks and one year. Tremphaya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active Crohn&#8217;s disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis.</p><p>Serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections and liver problems may occur. Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or if you need a vaccine.</p><p>Healing is possible with Tremphaya. Approximately 3 out of 10 patients were in endoscopic remission at one year, based on areas visualized on colonoscopy, which may not represent the deeper bowel layer or entire GI tract. Individual results may vary.</p><p>Ask your doctor about Tremphaya today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tremphayaradio.com. Though many of us are familiar with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD, the journey through treatment isn&#8217;t as straightforward as you may assume. Dr. Bradley Peterson, a child and adolescent psychiatrist, says the very first obstacle families face is getting an accurate diagnosis.</p><p>He says that there are various other conditions that mimic similar symptoms, which can lead patients down a rabbit hole of misdiagnoses. Maybe the most common thing is kids who are very anxious. They can be quite fidgety because they&#8217;re anxious.</p><p>And when you&#8217;re anxious about things, like in a classroom, whether the kids are looking at you or thinking badly of you, or the teacher&#8217;s thinking badly about you, that can absorb your attention and distract you from paying attention to what you need to pay attention to in class, what the teacher&#8217;s saying. Most psychiatric and mental health and behavioral problems, in fact, have some impact on our ability to pay attention and stay focused. It&#8217;s a pretty nonspecific symptom, and so a lot of things can look like ADHD or be confused with it.</p><p>Peterson is chief of the Division of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and co-director of the Behavioral Health Institute at Children&#8217;s Hospital Los Angeles. There are three core symptoms of ADHD, hyperactivity, inattention, and impulsivity. When people think about ADHD, their first image is that really hyperactive type.</p><p>And it&#8217;s usually the stereotype of a little boy who&#8217;s sort of all over the place physically. What&#8217;s happened over the years is it&#8217;s gotten really convoluted. And when people have inattention and they&#8217;re more subtle, like we often see with women and girls who have ADHD, they tend to be under identified and less likely to be seen by others.</p><p>That&#8217;s Dr. Andrew Kahn, associate director of expertise and strategic design at Understood, a nonprofit for learning and thinking differences. Their new interactive tool called Through My Eyes offers users the ability to understand how neurodivergent kids think. And as you navigate through the simulation, what you commonly see is that kids who are going through their day-to-day lives are experiencing things that we don&#8217;t always see.</p><p>So as the simulation goes on, it is narrated by the kids themselves. We also see through Through My Eyes videos where we have nine different kids talking about their life experiences with learning and thinking differences and being neurodivergent. And I think that what you see in that situation is that the experiences as they&#8217;re narrated to you by the kids themselves gives you insight into things that you wouldn&#8217;t have seen otherwise.</p><p>Kahn says the program&#8217;s goal is to help neurotypical people truly understand the obstacles kids with ADHD face. Many of the tasks are ones that may seem easy to others, like brushing your teeth or tying your shoes. People get lost in the behavior that they see.</p><p>So if a child has, let&#8217;s say, ADHD as our example, and they&#8217;re feeling really challenged by an activity, what you&#8217;re likely to see is behavior. So people are going to say, oh, that child&#8217;s out of their seat, or they&#8217;re refusing to do a task. And in turn, people draw assumptions that that kid is lazy or defiant or unmotivated.</p><p>And what they can&#8217;t see is that that child is trying to filter out all of that stimulation, trying to focus their attention or navigate their energies. And those kind of misunderstandings can really lead to a lot of difficulty. Like being reprimanded or taken out of the classroom without having their struggles ever addressed.</p><p>However, the necessary support can only come after a kid has gotten an accurate diagnosis. The ideal medical professional for this is a child psychiatrist, but they can be hard to find and even harder to access. Thankfully, Peterson says teachers are a valuable resource in this journey.</p><p>Teachers can compare this child&#8217;s behavior and their ability to stay focused on a task with all the other kids in the class, all the other kids that they&#8217;ve experienced in their teaching careers. Teachers are very, very good sources of information. Once that diagnosis is made, the next hurdle is finding the right treatment.</p><p>Every case is different, but Peterson says there are generally two major categories of treatment, medication and therapy. And it can be hard to access either one or both of those. I would say that typically, in general, accessing really good psychotherapy and behavioral therapy is much harder, much harder.</p><p>And even when you can access it, it&#8217;s very difficult to gauge the skill set of the therapist and the care provider. Someone who calls themselves a therapist, not all of them are the same. Calling yourself a therapist doesn&#8217;t make you one and it doesn&#8217;t make you a good one.</p><p>So discerning who&#8217;s good and really qualified is really difficult and important. Which is where having a referral from a trusted medical professional can be extremely helpful. On the other hand, medications can be a bit easier to get right because Peterson says many pediatricians know how to prescribe the most common ones for ADHD.</p><p>That&#8217;s especially good news since his 2024 paper shows that drugs tend to be the best treatment for this condition. About 80% of kids will benefit from that first trial of medicine. And it helps not only with the core symptoms of ADHD, but with other problems as well.</p><p>So just global impressions of how the child&#8217;s doing clinically, it helps with that pretty dramatically. It also helps with other problems like disruptive behaviors. You know, some kids with ADHD, because they&#8217;re impulsive, they can be more aggressive than other kids.</p><p>They can have trouble following rules and those sorts of things. And medicines generally help with those problems as well. So they&#8217;re helpful not only for the core symptoms of ADHD, but the other kinds of problems that often come along with ADHD.</p><p>So the benefits are substantial and most kids will benefit pretty dramatically from medicine. Peterson&#8217;s systematic review, published in the journal Pediatrics, looked at how effective various interventions are on the symptoms of ADHD. And though drugs are at the top of that list, they do still have side effects that can deter some patients.</p><p>They can cause appetite suppression, sleep issues and irritability. But Peterson says it&#8217;s worth taking the time to find the one that works the best for each person. There are two major classes of drugs to choose from, stimulant and non-stimulant.</p><p>Peterson says stimulants are the most common and are widely helpful. But there are many reasons why parents choose to give their kids one type over the other. I would say some families and parents in particular have a conceptual, ethical, even moral bias against stimulant medications.</p><p>They&#8217;re afraid that they&#8217;re addictive, which when used appropriately and when prescribed by an experienced clinician, they are not addicting. But parents fear that they could be. They think that somehow those medicines will change brain structure and function when in fact, our studies suggest that they don&#8217;t.</p><p>And if they do, it actually improves brain structure and function. So there are a lot of biases, especially parents will come in with. Sometimes prescribers will.</p><p>I would say most commonly it might be some pediatricians are reluctant to prescribe stimulants based on misinformation and some of the same biases that misinformed parents can have. That&#8217;s not to say that every patient will respond better to stimulants. It&#8217;s truly a case by case basis.</p><p>There&#8217;s no right course of treatment, only that medication is an important part of that journey. Peterson&#8217;s paper also revealed that supporting the parents of kids with ADHD can be very helpful. There are various types of interventions his review looked at, and many of them turned out to be worthwhile.</p><p>The intervention that most clinicians in the field believe help kids with ADHD, especially kids with ADHD who also have disruptive behaviors, trouble following rules. Maybe they&#8217;re aggressive, so disruptive behaviors. Most people feel that something called parent management training.</p><p>That&#8217;s what I refer to it as. It has it goes by a number of other names, but what it involves descriptively is helping parents learn the principles of behavioral management for their child to help with consequences for behaviors that you want to reinforce, like following rules and doing homework and that sort of thing. And discouraging behaviors that you would prefer not to be there, like aggression, verbal or physical aggression and how to deal with that.</p><p>So you help the parents become really the best behavioral therapist for their kid that you can possibly find because no one knows their child better than a parent. Since no two studies involved exactly the same parent intervention, Peterson&#8217;s team lumped them into one category and ran a bunch of statistics to see if as a group, parent support was effective for helping ADHD symptoms in kids. And regardless of which intervention was used, they found that this support can be a major benefit.</p><p>What came as a big surprise for the research team was what they found when they paired multiple of these helpful interventions together. Most people, most clinicians and most parents believe instinctively that if medications help and psychotherapies or parent support helps, well, one plus one will equal two. And so if medications help some, but you need more help, well, let&#8217;s add parent support to it or psychotherapy for the child.</p><p>And a number of studies have tested this, whether combination treatment like that is better than a single intervention alone. And what is surprising is we didn&#8217;t find evidence of the case. So one plus one here doesn&#8217;t necessarily equal two.</p><p>That doesn&#8217;t mean that combining therapies will never be effective. It just means that on average, when looking at an overall group, there&#8217;s no evidence that it&#8217;s beneficial. Individual kids still may find a combination of therapies helpful.</p><p>And Peterson says that a good clinician will be able to see which are best for their specific patient. And possibly the most important part of this journey, regardless of which type of therapy is used, is that the choices are made in partnership with the medical professionals, parents and child. They have to buy in, know why this is helpful, and the parents need to buy in.</p><p>It all needs to be a team-based approach. Otherwise, it&#8217;s not going to work. Because even if it&#8217;s the best medicine and it&#8217;s really helpful for this kid, if that medicine doesn&#8217;t get into that kid&#8217;s mouth and into the body, it&#8217;s not going to be helpful.</p><p>You can find more information about Dr. Bradley Peterson, Dr. Andrew Kahn, and all of our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org. Our writer-producer is Kristen Farah. Our executive producer is Amir Zaveri. I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</p><p>Coming up, rewiring your brain for healthier communication, when RadioHealth Journal returns. As we get older, we may feel strong and healthy, but no matter how healthy you feel, your immune system weakens with age. That&#8217;s where vaccines come in.</p><p>Vaccines help train and strengthen your immune response to fight off certain respiratory illnesses. And that&#8217;s why the CDC recommends eligible adults 50 or older or those with certain health conditions get vaccinated. Ask your doctor or pharmacist, which vaccines you need.</p><p>Schedule in minutes at vaxassist.com. Sponsored by Pfizer. At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about going to the bathroom in public, so we decided to sing about it. Charmin Ultra Strong.</p><p>You can use less, better than the rest. Charmin Ultra Strong. Your booty pass the clean test.</p><p>Charmin weave texture, it&#8217;s the best. Study up, teach a lesson on fresh. Your booty pass the clean test.</p><p>Charmin Ultra Strong. Charmin Ultra Strong with diamond weave texture. Cleans better than a leading one-ply brand so you can use less.</p><p>Enjoy the go with Charmin. Have you ever wondered why you react more strongly to a situation than others around you? Maybe it&#8217;s a moment that makes you feel left out or not good enough, and you can&#8217;t seem to shake that cycle of frustration. Dr. Michaela Renee Johnson believes these patterns stem from our core beliefs she calls primal wounds that begin in childhood.</p><p>And it doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that we had a bad childhood or some major traumatic event. It&#8217;s just simple, small, little things that can lead us to formulate these things. And there are seven of them.</p><p>And I&#8217;ll give you an example. So it might be I&#8217;m not good enough. Perhaps you&#8217;re just not doing well in school as a young person.</p><p>And so you start to tell yourself, I&#8217;m not good enough. As a teenager, it becomes I&#8217;m never going to be good enough. I&#8217;m never going to make the basketball team.</p><p>I&#8217;m never going to achieve what I want to achieve or get that job that I want. And then as an adult, you paradoxically pick out people and situations that affirm that belief. And the reason is because it&#8217;s actually comfortable.</p><p>It&#8217;s actually safer to choose someone that is going to invite that situation into your life than it is to do something different because we&#8217;ve dealt with it and lived it our whole lives. Johnson is a psychotherapist and author of Seven Primal Wounds. The seven wounds include feeling insignificant, inadequate, damaged, powerless, incapable, undeserving and like an outsider.</p><p>And though these seem to be negative emotions, Johnson says having these innate feelings is very normal. It&#8217;s essentially your mind&#8217;s version of touching a hot stove and then making sure that never happens again. So instead of trying to get rid of this protective mechanism, Johnson argues that we need to embrace it and learn how to make it our own personal superpower.</p><p>We inherently know when we&#8217;re walking into relationships, they could hurt us. And so we&#8217;re always looking for the potential threat. That&#8217;s not a bad thing.</p><p>That means we&#8217;re working very well. It means our brain is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. But just like the hot stove situation, it doesn&#8217;t mean we stop cooking.</p><p>Right. Like it doesn&#8217;t mean we can never use the stove because we&#8217;ve gotten burned once. So this is what the book&#8217;s about.</p><p>It&#8217;s really exciting. It&#8217;s actually teaching people that you&#8217;re not broken. You&#8217;re doing great, but you probably could benefit from learning about your activations and what&#8217;s causing them so that you can disempower it and have healthy relationships moving forward.</p><p>Johnson says each wound comes with its own unique triggers and characteristics. So, for example, if my friends don&#8217;t invite me to go out on Friday night because I don&#8217;t have the I am an outsider wound, I probably don&#8217;t care. I&#8217;m like, cool, I&#8217;m going to go do I&#8217;m going to go for a hike.</p><p>I&#8217;m going to go whatever. Like, it&#8217;s not going to bother me. But if I feel unchosen for something, then that might have a much deeper impact.</p><p>Which is why understanding which wound you have is crucial to controlling how you want to respond in certain situations. What&#8217;s interesting is that Johnson says in many cases, whatever your core belief is will be what drives you later in life. So the powerless wound is going to go out to do something that they might choose something where they&#8217;re very empowered, right, where they&#8217;re in a position of power or they&#8217;ve they might choose something because of their bleeding heart nature, where they&#8217;re, you know, working in a role that they&#8217;re helping others.</p><p>However, they might also pick a relationship with a very needy partner and that&#8217;s going to quickly build resentment and frustration. Like, why are they so needy? Why are they constantly needing me? Even though they actually sought that out because it&#8217;s their wound and what they know and what they want to attach to. And this does play a lot into attachment theory.</p><p>But in our work and in our decision making processes, sometimes we&#8217;ll say yes to things from the wounded lens that we should be saying no to. Johnson says if someone&#8217;s unaware of how their primal wound is causing them to react, it can draw them into a harmful cycle. However, her research has found that when used with intention, these core beliefs can still act as a protection without impeding on the rest of your life.</p><p>We can actually rewire our brain. There is tons of research that is coming out, including my own, that is showing you can actually rewire these primal pathways. You can choose different.</p><p>And this is the hot stove analogy. You can touch the hot stove, go, dang, that was hot and still cook on the stove because you can learn how to embrace it with a different mindset, embrace it with a different set of plans for how you&#8217;re going to navigate if it&#8217;s hot. Right.</p><p>And once you know that, you can actually use your best skill set ever as your superpower. Your past is not your problem. It actually becomes your superpower.</p><p>And so that&#8217;s the beautiful part of primal wounds. It&#8217;s not negative at all. It&#8217;s actually really positive focused.</p><p>It&#8217;s taking what is your human emotional survival that a lot of work has not been exposing and turning it into something that you can actually look at and call out and have a conversation with. These conversations will probably look different depending on which part of yourself becomes activated. Johnson says that the issue she sees most in couples she works with is that they&#8217;re constantly triggering each other without resolving any of the problems.</p><p>We can&#8217;t be constantly wounding one another without repairing it. Otherwise, we&#8217;re walking around with a shield. So that&#8217;s when people say we don&#8217;t talk anymore.</p><p>You know, we stonewall, we disengage, all that kind of stuff. So instead of automatically reacting like you normally would in a tense situation, Johnson says you should pause. Give yourself a breath to realize how you want to naturally respond and ask yourself if that reaction will be helpful to your end goal.</p><p>It&#8217;s very easy to become defensive in arguments and want to blame the other person. In fact, you can know all the mental health tools for positive communication, but without mindfulness and intention, those tools can easily become ammunition. A hammer is a weapon or it&#8217;s a tool, depending on how you&#8217;re using it.</p><p>So I really teach them like we need to think about tools a little differently because if you&#8217;re swinging a hammer when you&#8217;re ticked off, it&#8217;s probably not an effective tool. It&#8217;s a weapon. Right.</p><p>So that&#8217;s kind of the thing is really recognizing what&#8217;s going to work for your wound, how to disempower it by calling it out. And frankly, what I see more often than not is we really like to put expectations on our partner. And I heard a great phrase from somebody just yesterday.</p><p>They said expectations are premeditated resentments and the partner is never going to deliver on the repair because they don&#8217;t know how to do it. They&#8217;re not you. They&#8217;re not in your body.</p><p>And so the biggest fatal mistake I see is expecting our partner to do the next right thing. We have to do the next right thing to fix ourselves, to help ourselves, to improve and stop the pattern. There are a few ways that Johnson recommends getting familiar with your primal wound.</p><p>For some people, the scariest part of this work happens when they have to start putting each exercise into practice. The undeservers, right, they love to be yes people. They will say yes, even if they are completely expended and exhausted and don&#8217;t have a yes in them.</p><p>They will say yes, they will take it on. So the undeservers, what they might work on is, for example, saying, while I would love to pick up your kids from school for you, I actually can&#8217;t do that. Thank you for understanding.</p><p>So this is a rewire, right? What my undeservers love to do is they love to say either they&#8217;ll say, no, I&#8217;m so sorry. I can&#8217;t do that. I&#8217;m so sorry.</p><p>I would love to. But I just really I&#8217;m so sorry. Right.</p><p>And they&#8217;re just completely living in that. I am not deserving of having my own time or being able to say no. Right.</p><p>So for that example, what we might say is I appreciate that you&#8217;ve asked me and I can&#8217;t do that today. Thank you for understanding. No apologies, no undeserver narrative, just going to take time for myself because I deserve it.</p><p>I deserve to have this time. Each exercise is custom to every wound and how it manifests in each individual&#8217;s life. If you&#8217;re wondering where to start, Johnson offers a free quiz on our website, 7primalwounds.com. You can find more information about Dr. Michaela Johnson and all of our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org. Our writer-producer is Kristen Farah.</p><p>Our production manager is Jason Dickey. I&#8217;m Greg Johnson. And I&#8217;m Kristen Farah.</p><p>Radio Health Journal returns in just a moment. 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