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		<title>Hurricanes Grow Stronger as Climate Change and Rising Seas Fuel Greater Destruction</title>
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You don&#8217;t just make a shoe and hope it comes out comfortable.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="52570" data-end="58210">It takes research, innovations, compounds, engineering, and so many of the boring things we don&#8217;t really want to get into.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="58470" data-end="61930">Because it gives us time to talk about the exciting stuff, your comfort.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="62210" data-end="65670">You see, Skechers wants you to feel so comfortable, you swear you&#8217;re wearing pillows on your feet.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="65890" data-end="70890">So we have features like Skechers AirCool memory foam that molds to your foot and wraps it in luxury.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="71150" data-end="75870">And Skechers has fits like RelaxFit, StretchFit, WideFit, ArchFit, and so many more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="76150" data-end="80610">All comfort technologies that make the shoe feel like it was custom made just for your foot.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="80610" data-end="84850">Plus, we have hands-free Skechers Slip&#8217;N&#8217;S technology. And this, folks, is a game changer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="85130" data-end="90270">This tech allows you to just step into your shoes and put them on.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="85130" data-end="90270">You don&#8217;t have to bend down and struggle. You don&#8217;t even have to touch them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="90430" data-end="94990">That&#8217;s ultimate convenience and comfort.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="90430" data-end="94990">So you see, comfort is a technology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="95370" data-end="100170">And nobody, and I mean nobody, does comfort like Skechers, the comfort technology company.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="100450" data-end="104870">Find yours at a Skechers store, Skechers.com, or wherever comfortable footwear is sold.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="113470" data-end="119030">Last month marked 20 years since Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans and the Gulf Coast.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="119390" data-end="125490">Katrina was the costliest natural disaster in U.S. history and killed close to 1,400 people.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="126010" data-end="131170">Even today, residents are still recovering from its effects and understand that it could happen again.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="131630" data-end="137170">Scientists are also concerned as climate change is creating stronger and more destructive hurricanes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="137170" data-end="144190">We know that hurricanes are not necessarily becoming more frequent. That is, there aren&#8217;t necessarily more hurricanes out there.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="144430" data-end="152410">But what hurricanes we do have and we are experiencing on the mainland here in the <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/criminal-justice-reform-bills-moving/">United States</a>, and indeed across the rest of the world, are becoming more severe.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="152850" data-end="158970">What do I mean by that? Well, there&#8217;s a few different ways that the characteristics of hurricanes are changing in response to climate change.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="159110" data-end="161650">One of the ways is very simple.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="159110" data-end="161650">It&#8217;s related to sea level rise.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="161650" data-end="169410">So we know that around the world, especially along the east and gulf coast of the United States, sea levels are starting to increase quite dramatically.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="169610" data-end="171590">And they&#8217;ve been increasing for the last 100 years.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="171970" data-end="180890">What that means is that as these hurricanes come on shore, they&#8217;re bringing higher water levels with them, which can threaten infrastructure in a particular coastal region.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="181370" data-end="187410">That&#8217;s Daniel Guilford, a climate scientist at the nonprofit science news organization Climate Central.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="187410" data-end="193590">Another way that hurricane characteristics are becoming more severe is that we know that a warmer atmosphere is a wetter atmosphere.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="194130" data-end="200190">So atmosphere is becoming more moist as we increase the atmospheric temperature due to human-caused climate change.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="200310" data-end="205590">There&#8217;s more moisture in the atmosphere, and that means that hurricanes can rain out more effectively.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="206430" data-end="208850">There&#8217;s more water coming out of hurricanes now.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="208930" data-end="214750">And that is a real big problem because not only are we dealing with storm surge as a hurricane comes on land,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="214750" data-end="220710">but we can see intense, significant rainfall impacts due to these hurricanes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="221030" data-end="229290">Storm surge can cause dangerous flooding and happens when there&#8217;s a quick rise in water levels during a hurricane and strong winds push the water inland.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="229710" data-end="232670">Additionally, hotter temperatures cause more evaporation.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="233010" data-end="240210">And as hurricanes move across warm oceans, they pull in extra heat and water vapor, fueling stronger, more destructive storms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="240210" data-end="247030">Coinciding with that, we see that there&#8217;s an increase in the amount of billion-dollar disasters that we have associated with hurricanes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="247230" data-end="255329">There&#8217;s been consistently more hurricane damage over the last 10 years than there was, for instance, in the 30 years leading up to it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="255649" data-end="258790">There&#8217;s just more and more damaging associated with these storms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="259130" data-end="267690">Part of that is related to increased vulnerability, especially there&#8217;s more people living in vulnerable places now to these hurricane impacts.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="267690" data-end="270930">But part of that is also increases in hurricane destructiveness.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="271670" data-end="276670">According to the last census, 94.7 million Americans live in coastline regions.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="277090" data-end="280530">This is nearly 30% of the overall U.S. population.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="281070" data-end="288870">Of that group, 60.2 million live along the Atlantic Ocean or the Gulf of Mexico, two areas that are the most vulnerable to hurricanes.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="289370" data-end="294950">As these storms have intensified, there&#8217;s been some action taken to make structures stronger and more resilient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="294950" data-end="305510">However, Jeff Slegamelt, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at the Columbia Climate School at Columbia University, believes there&#8217;s still a long way to go.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="305950" data-end="312410">In Florida, after Hurricane Andrew in the 1990s, a number of codes were changed, sort of recognizing the vulnerability from that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="312930" data-end="316270">And some of it is more proactive, but so one of the first ones are building codes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="316590" data-end="322970">How we build our homes, how we build our infrastructure, where we build it, if you&#8217;re going to build it in a hurricane-prone area,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322970" data-end="328190">if you&#8217;re going to build in an area prone to storm surge, you have to have certain things in place, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="328290" data-end="330290">So the building codes require that by law.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="330730" data-end="334950">In a lot of other cases, we see codes maybe not being put in place, not being pushed forward,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="335110" data-end="339090">because it has this very real effect of making it more expensive in the near term, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="339110" data-end="344030">It costs more to build a home that will withstand a hurricane than to build one that won&#8217;t.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="344470" data-end="349390">And so that creates some economic pressures that affect growth, that affect things like affordable housing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="349390" data-end="354830">And if you&#8217;re in an environment that is on top of all that hostile to this notion of climate change,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="354970" data-end="359270">you can get a lot of pressures against putting in those types of regulations and things like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="359690" data-end="366790">Building codes vary across the country, but in hurricane-prone regions, they often require stronger materials for framing and roofing,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="367150" data-end="372770">enhanced foundation and structural requirements, and adherence to strict wind-resistant standards.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="372770" data-end="379730">And while investing in resilience is expensive, it&#8217;s much cheaper to spend the money now rather than after the damage is done.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="380150" data-end="388110">Some estimates say spending $1 pre-disaster saves you $6 after, with some experts placing that number as high as $15.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="388690" data-end="393210">These measures can make a big difference, but in many places, they&#8217;re no longer enough.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="393730" data-end="400930">Along coasts hit hard by sea-level rise, some experts are pushing a controversial strategy called managed retreat.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="400930" data-end="407450">There was actually a study that was looking really globally at the economics of either shoring up areas,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="407570" data-end="411390">making them more resilient to storms and sea-level rise and all these different hazards,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="411730" data-end="414330">and the other is to say pack it up and move it inland, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="414710" data-end="422790">And what that study found and what we find time and time again is that neither solution is actually economically viable.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="422930" data-end="426430">You have some areas that are so built up with so much infrastructure in the pathways,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="426570" data-end="430110">it&#8217;s actually better to shore them up, build flood walls and various types of infrastructure.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="430110" data-end="437450">Others are just in such hazardous areas that it just is not economically viable to protect them. You have to move them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="438030" data-end="441190">Managed retreat also overlooks the human cost of leaving.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="441690" data-end="449610">For families who&#8217;ve lived in coastal areas for generations, being forced to move from the only place you&#8217;ve ever called home can be deeply traumatic.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="450170" data-end="452930">The one thing that we lose with all of this, though, is the human side.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="453130" data-end="455750">We have areas where families have lived for generations.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="456030" data-end="458910">Some have very significant cultural ties and things like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="458910" data-end="461330">Those don&#8217;t get caught up in those economic analyses.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="461590" data-end="468870">So there are a lot of very innovative solutions that have to do with the built environment of things that we can do if we can afford them.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="469070" data-end="474070">But there&#8217;s also a lot on the social environment in terms of keeping people together, keeping communities together,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="474230" data-end="479450">staying connected with where they&#8217;ve lived for generations that also has a value that we don&#8217;t necessarily take into account.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="479590" data-end="484810">One notable example of managed retreat is the Isle de Jean Charles in Louisiana,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="484810" data-end="489290">the island which was a historical homeland of a Native American tribe,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="489670" data-end="494170">was forced to relocate after years of rising sea levels and coastal erosion.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="494770" data-end="501070">After getting funding from the U.S. government, the community successfully resettled to a new isle 40 miles away.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="501470" data-end="505050">While there have only been a few instances of these domestic relocations,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="505170" data-end="508670">that number will soon grow if climate change continues to worsen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="509030" data-end="513490">There are areas everywhere, certainly in the U.S., along the Gulf Coast and low-lying areas of Louisiana.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="513490" data-end="517990">You have some communities that are at risk of disappearing as a result of this,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="518110" data-end="521630">and even major built-up areas like Miami and Florida are extraordinarily exposed.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="522490" data-end="527170">So, what can we do? With climate change occurring on such a large scale,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="527290" data-end="531230">you may feel powerless when hurricanes and other natural disasters happen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="531690" data-end="538090">And though we can&#8217;t control the timing or impact of these events, there are factors that are in our control.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="538090" data-end="541630">The short-term solution is to go to Ready.gov and prepare yourself</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="541630" data-end="546310">by having you and your household prepared for the worst of hurricane disasters,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="546530" data-end="549250">if you are sort of in the range of where hurricanes could be.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="549630" data-end="552070">Further inland communities now should be prepared.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="552330" data-end="556350">If you live along the eastern Gulf Coast for hurricane impacts, I think that&#8217;s critical.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556810" data-end="558650">So, go to Ready.gov and prepare yourself.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="558790" data-end="563730">The other thing is sort of a longer-term goal, which is that we need to continue to see this as an opportunity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="563730" data-end="568390">to talk about how our climate is changing and affecting our communities.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="568670" data-end="572610">We know these storms are now more severe because of human-caused climate change.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="572810" data-end="575770">We are increasing the temperature of our atmosphere and oceans,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="575850" data-end="578590">and that&#8217;s affecting these intense events and making them worse.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="578790" data-end="583030">But we need to be having those conversations where we talk with people that we know,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="583270" data-end="586130">that we love, that we care about, about these impacts,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="586210" data-end="589730">so we can collectively, together, work towards solutions</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="589730" data-end="593190">to making them less terrible for the communities that we care about.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="593190" data-end="597710">Looking ahead, while some communities will have the money and resources to adapt,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="598070" data-end="599810">others will be left behind.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="600230" data-end="603370">Unfortunately, what we&#8217;re seeing right now is a little bit of a reversal in the U.S.,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="603370" data-end="606830">where we&#8217;re seeing a lot of those preparedness programs being cut or being eliminated,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="607370" data-end="611610">and so it&#8217;s going to be sort of the haves and the have-nots in terms of who can afford to be resilient,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="611830" data-end="615970">who can afford to put these preparedness mechanisms and the infrastructure in place.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="616370" data-end="618630">There&#8217;s a saying that disasters don&#8217;t discriminate,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="618630" data-end="623090">and I can tell you the data shows time and time again that they absolutely do discriminate.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="623730" data-end="625770">You can have the same disaster hit the same city,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="625790" data-end="629510">and communities that are more socially isolated, more socioeconomically deprived,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="629990" data-end="633710">which correlates a lot of times with race, with gender, all sorts of things,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="633830" data-end="637850">based on historical policies, have extraordinarily different experiences</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="637850" data-end="643050">in their capacity to cope, their ability to marshal resources and access resources after a disaster.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="643670" data-end="645950">So we can&#8217;t just look at the exposure to the hazard.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="645950" data-end="648130">We have to look at the ability to recover from that,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="648290" data-end="653190">and that&#8217;s where we truly get an effective and lasting recovery.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="653910" data-end="658410">To find out more about Daniel Guilford, Jeff Segelmilch, and all our featured guests,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="658550" data-end="660450">visit ViewpointsRadio.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="660830" data-end="665150">For more behind-the-scenes, check out Viewpoints Radio on X, Facebook, and Instagram.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="665690" data-end="668150">This segment was written and produced by Grace Galanti.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="668410" data-end="670670">Our executive producer is Amir Zaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="670770" data-end="672810">Our studio manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="673250" data-end="674630">I&#8217;m Gary Price.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="674630" data-end="677630">This segment is sponsored by Capital One.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="677930" data-end="681010">Banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="681010" data-end="685510">with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="685910" data-end="688270">What&#8217;s in your wallet? Terms apply.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="688570" data-end="691350">See CapitalOne.com slash bank for details.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="691910" data-end="694370">Capital One N.A., member FDIC.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="699990" data-end="703430">Coming up, we speak with a psychologist and marital expert</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="703430" data-end="707990">about why marriage feels so hard sometimes when Viewpoints returns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="711740" data-end="715260">Behold, the Colonel&#8217;s Giant KFC Chicken Sandwich,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="715420" data-end="718120">a towering, extra-crispy monument to flavor.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="718760" data-end="722140">Such a huge amount of juicy, hand-breaded KFC chicken</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="722140" data-end="724560">at a pretty tiny $3.99 price</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="724560" data-end="727600">for the Colonel&#8217;s KFC Chicken Sandwich.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="728140" data-end="731640">I mean, $3.99 isn&#8217;t even worthy of the same epic soundtrack as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="731640" data-end="734900">the KFC Chicken Sandwich for only $3.99.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="735360" data-end="737840">The Colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="737840" data-end="740220">Prices and participation vary while supplies last.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="740340" data-end="741220">Taxes, tips, and fees extra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="741680" data-end="744780">If Old Spice Deep C Super Hydration Body Wash were music,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="744880" data-end="745900">what would it sound like?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="746300" data-end="749900">Start with the deep sounds of Old Spice&#8217;s ocean waves and kelp.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="750260" data-end="752200">Layer on the smooth, renewing moisture.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="752680" data-end="754400">You wouldn&#8217;t hear any parabens or phthalates</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="754400" data-end="756660">because Old Spice Deep C hasn&#8217;t got any.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="756900" data-end="760140">But you would hear that vitamin B3 for healthier-looking skin.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="760660" data-end="763220">So while your regular body wash sounds like this,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="764280" data-end="766780">Old Spice sounds like this.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="767800" data-end="769920">Sounds like it smells amazing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="772310" data-end="775450">If you love to travel, Capital One has a rewards credit card</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="775450" data-end="776370">that&#8217;s perfect for you.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="776850" data-end="778510">With the Capital One Venture X card,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="778610" data-end="781050">you earn unlimited double miles on everything you buy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="781610" data-end="784870">Plus, you get premium benefits at a collection of luxury hotels</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="784870" data-end="786630">when you book on Capital One Travel.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="787050" data-end="791750">And with Venture X, you get access to over 1,000 airport lounges worldwide.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="791750" data-end="796670">Open up a world of travel possibilities with the Capital One Venture X card.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="797010" data-end="797930">What&#8217;s in your wallet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="798330" data-end="800330">Terms apply. Lounge access is subject to change.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="800510" data-end="801770">See CapitalOne.com for details.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="802870" data-end="804410">Exciting news, ladies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="804870" data-end="807630">Always Discreet Boutique Bladder Leak Underwear</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="807630" data-end="810750">are available in black and printed design.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="811210" data-end="812950">Protect yourself with style.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="813330" data-end="815370">These fit and feel just like real underwear,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="815810" data-end="818530">and they give you up to zero leaks, zero odor.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="819130" data-end="820910">Designed for all shapes and sizes,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="820910" data-end="823870">they give you the confidence to be fully yourself.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="824370" data-end="826330">Don&#8217;t let bladder leaks hold you back.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="826770" data-end="830670">Buy Always Discreet Boutique Bladder Leak Underwear now.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="841550" data-end="844490">It&#8217;s a part of the American dream, marriage.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="844910" data-end="848690">From a young age, people are told what qualities to look for in a spouse</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="848690" data-end="851350">and fantasize about their perfect wedding day.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="851910" data-end="855290">But what happens when all of those things are in the rearview mirror?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="855290" data-end="859610">At some point, the wedding cake is gone, the honeymoon period ends,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="859850" data-end="863590">and people are left to cultivate this marriage they&#8217;ve long dreamed about.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="864210" data-end="866470">Experts say that&#8217;s not always easy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="866990" data-end="868870">After generations of transformation,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="869490" data-end="872310">our current expectations for what a marriage should be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="872310" data-end="876210">are higher than ever before, and that can cause problems.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="876430" data-end="879690">We&#8217;re now at a moment where the expectation and the aspiration</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="879690" data-end="883830">of intimate relationships is that they be emotionally close,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="883830" data-end="887730">that they include trust and understanding and intimacy,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="888290" data-end="890590">and they include, essentially,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="891190" data-end="894210">all the things that people want from close relationships,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="894490" data-end="897410">and that obviously engages people&#8217;s emotions,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="897650" data-end="902270">and emotions are complicated, and they are formed in our early lives,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="902350" data-end="906750">they play out in ways that we can&#8217;t always predict or control,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="907210" data-end="909070">and they&#8217;re messy and inconvenient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="909450" data-end="911130">That&#8217;s Dr. Daphne DeMarniff,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="911130" data-end="913990">a clinical psychologist and author of the book</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="913990" data-end="917390">The Rough Patch, Marriage and the Art of Living Together.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="917590" data-end="920050">The rough patch is sort of an umbrella term, in a sense,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="920130" data-end="923050">that I came up with to sort of talk about,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="923490" data-end="926490">in general terms, a kind of moment of life,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="926690" data-end="930590">a moment in the developmental life course of marriage and of individuals,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="930710" data-end="933550">and that moment, as I&#8217;m identifying it,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="933910" data-end="937590">is this time when people have sort of made their basic life decisions,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="937950" data-end="939070">built a life together,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="939070" data-end="942070">they have the kids and the job and so forth,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="942390" data-end="946450">but they feel they&#8217;re kind of hitting a certain kind of wall about,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="946670" data-end="949450">is this all I want? Is this marriage working?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="949910" data-end="951190">It&#8217;s sort of existential.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="951830" data-end="953610">Who am I? What am I? What do I want?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="953690" data-end="955350">Is this enough kind of moment?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="955610" data-end="959270">DeMarniff says people can react to a rough patch in many ways.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="959710" data-end="962150">They may become withdrawn or apathetic.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="962650" data-end="965710">Some may even resort to abusing drugs and alcohol,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="965990" data-end="968430">while others may go on a reckless spending spree.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="968430" data-end="972490">Of course, those behaviors will likely just make the rough patch worsen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="973070" data-end="976390">DeMarniff says there are healthy ways to examine a relationship</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="976390" data-end="978290">and work through a tough time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="978410" data-end="982370">The beauty of an intimate relationship is that you can depend on this person</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="982370" data-end="985850">and get really important emotional needs met through them,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="985990" data-end="989550">but the risk or the danger is that you believe that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="989550" data-end="992770">if you don&#8217;t feel that you&#8217;re getting certain things from that person,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="992950" data-end="995150">that the problem is the marriage or the other person.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="995150" data-end="999430">And I think that marriage in general, intimate relationships in general,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="999430" data-end="1002670">are hugely vulnerable to blame and projection</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1002670" data-end="1004830">and seeing the other person as your problem,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1004930" data-end="1007510">because it&#8217;s in the nature of human anxiety</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1007510" data-end="1010150">that when you&#8217;re feeling like you&#8217;re struggling and need help</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1010150" data-end="1011810">and you don&#8217;t feel you&#8217;re getting it,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1011850" data-end="1015210">that you get upset with the person who you feel isn&#8217;t providing it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1015530" data-end="1018670">So my main thrust in how I talk to people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1018670" data-end="1022330">is that you have to be able to look within</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1022330" data-end="1026750">and to cultivate your own self-awareness about your own emotions</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1027290" data-end="1031650">and try to figure out how to know your emotions</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1031650" data-end="1033069">and express them skillfully.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1033250" data-end="1035589">Especially in times of great change,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1035790" data-end="1039210">becoming an empty nester, changing jobs, moving cities,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1039450" data-end="1041290">or even biological change,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1041790" data-end="1045770">DeMarniff says it&#8217;s important for people to take stock of their own selves.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1045910" data-end="1048650">I talked to one woman who said, you know, when she went through menopause,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1048750" data-end="1051190">she just sort of felt depressed and she felt bad about herself</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1051190" data-end="1052750">and she felt kind of like she didn&#8217;t want to do anything,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1053110" data-end="1056610">and she just kind of forced herself to take up some new interest.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1056890" data-end="1061350">What I liked about that was she wasn&#8217;t turning to her partner</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1061350" data-end="1063150">and acting like he was the problem.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1063530" data-end="1065910">She saw that she was going through something developmental.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1066190" data-end="1070070">She was going through a challenge in her own course of her own life</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1070070" data-end="1072830">that she realized she needed to take care of,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1072930" data-end="1076070">and that is hugely helpful to relationships</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1076070" data-end="1078050">when people can take responsibility in a sense</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1078050" data-end="1079990">for their own unhappiness and dissatisfaction</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1079990" data-end="1082910">and say, what do I need that I&#8217;m not getting in my life?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1083490" data-end="1085270">Not you, but in my life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1085650" data-end="1087890">In her experience, DeMarniff says she&#8217;s learned</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1087890" data-end="1091030">that a big issue for many couples is communication.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1091650" data-end="1094450">She says couples may have arguments via text message</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1094450" data-end="1098110">or allow themselves to say angry, hurtful things.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1098530" data-end="1101710">She says these things will always be worked out better in person</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1101710" data-end="1103850">and without tempers flaring.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1104050" data-end="1107870">Share your feelings, but try to lead with soft emotions</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1107870" data-end="1111550">because especially when people have their first children,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1111850" data-end="1115350">when they have children, there&#8217;s a statistic that suggests</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1115350" data-end="1117750">that marital satisfaction pretty much always goes down,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1117810" data-end="1119530">at least temporarily, when people have children.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1120150" data-end="1123490">And it&#8217;s a real vulnerable time in terms of people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1124070" data-end="1126130">feeling they need a lot from each other</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1126130" data-end="1127650">in terms of support and dependency,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1128290" data-end="1131590">but also feeling through fatigue and stress and so forth</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1131590" data-end="1133010">easily frustrated by each other.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1133010" data-end="1137370">And so they can get kind of irritable and frustrated</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1137370" data-end="1139810">and not as positive as they might be.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1140470" data-end="1143490">And so at the moments like that, which are vulnerable to that,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1143930" data-end="1147250">to always try to move toward how can I express what I&#8217;m feeling</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1147250" data-end="1149530">on the more vulnerable end of the spectrum,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1149530" data-end="1153410">like it makes me sad or it makes me lonely</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1153410" data-end="1158390">or it makes me scared when I don&#8217;t feel like you&#8217;re as dependable</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1158390" data-end="1159810">as I need you to be or whatever.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1159810" data-end="1163270">Because people can often start developing a critical story</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1163270" data-end="1164390">about their spouse.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1164710" data-end="1166750">Everyone wants to have an idyllic marriage,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1167010" data-end="1170310">one that just works on its own and never lets you down.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1170930" data-end="1173030">DeMarniff says that&#8217;s not realistic</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1173030" data-end="1175450">and that like anything else in life,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1175670" data-end="1178290">to reap all of the benefits of a healthy marriage,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1178410" data-end="1180550">you have to be willing to do the work.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1180730" data-end="1183410">We also live in a culture where it&#8217;s kind of admirable</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1183410" data-end="1186430">to work 60 hours a week, but certainly not admirable</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1186430" data-end="1189290">to spend any more time managing your relationship</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1189290" data-end="1190010">than needed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1190750" data-end="1194030">I mean, we don&#8217;t have a very realistic sense</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1194030" data-end="1197310">of what it takes, the time it takes, the effort it takes</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1197310" data-end="1199410">to hash out difficult emotions,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1199410" data-end="1202170">and that&#8217;s going to be part of the picture of marriage.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1202450" data-end="1204410">To find out more about this topic</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1204410" data-end="1206490">and our guest, Dr. Daphne DeMarniff,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1207130" data-end="1208870">head to ViewpointsRadio.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1209190" data-end="1212250">This segment originally aired in January 2019</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1212250" data-end="1214890">and was written by producer Evan Rook.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1215030" data-end="1217110">Our executive producer is Amira Severi.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217110" data-end="1219490">Our studio manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1220170" data-end="1221030">I&#8217;m Marty Peterson.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1225940" data-end="1228080">Viewpoints returns in just a moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1231580" data-end="1234180">Do Crohn&#8217;s disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1234180" data-end="1235420">keep coming back?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1236280" data-end="1238300">Tremphaya, gaselkomab, may help,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1238620" data-end="1240680">with rapid remission achieved at 12 weeks</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1240680" data-end="1242980">and lasting clinical remission at one year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1243600" data-end="1245180">Some even saw visible improvement</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1245180" data-end="1248000">of their intestinal lining at 12 weeks and one year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1248460" data-end="1250040">Tremphaya is a prescription medicine</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1250040" data-end="1251560">used to treat adults with moderately</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1251560" data-end="1253060">to severely active Crohn&#8217;s disease</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1253060" data-end="1254540">and adults with moderately</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1254540" data-end="1256400">to severely active ulcerative colitis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1256820" data-end="1258680">Serious allergic reactions and increased risk</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1258680" data-end="1260600">of infections and liver problems may occur.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1260940" data-end="1262480">Before treatment, your doctor should check you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1262480" data-end="1263920">for infections and tuberculosis.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1264480" data-end="1265940">Tell your doctor if you have an infection,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1266120" data-end="1267920">flu-like symptoms, or if you need a vaccine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1268500" data-end="1270320">Healing is possible with Tremphaya.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1270900" data-end="1272440">Approximately 3 out of 10 patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1272440" data-end="1274360">were in endoscopic remission at one year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1274600" data-end="1276600">Based on areas visualized on colonoscopy,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1276740" data-end="1278580">which may not represent the deeper bowel layer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1278580" data-end="1281480">or entire GI tract, individual results may vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1281760" data-end="1283440">Ask your doctor about Tremphaya today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1284080" data-end="1287600">Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1287600" data-end="1289800">or visit TremphayaRadio.com.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1295840" data-end="1297660">This is Viewpoints Explained.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1297980" data-end="1299060">I&#8217;m Ebony McMorris.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1299380" data-end="1301820">For decades, billionaire Rupert Murdoch</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1301820" data-end="1305460">swayed public opinion through his vast media empire.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1305880" data-end="1308560">Now at 94 years old, he&#8217;s announced</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1308560" data-end="1311980">he&#8217;s handing over the reins to his eldest son, Lachlan.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1311980" data-end="1314940">The family is worth around $24 billion</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1314940" data-end="1318740">in overseas Fox News, the New York Post,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1318960" data-end="1319820">the Wall Street Journal,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1320040" data-end="1322500">and several other media entities around the world.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1323080" data-end="1324120">But go back to the 1950s,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1324740" data-end="1327560">and this monolith was almost non-existent.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1328040" data-end="1330360">It all started with a small newspaper in Australia</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1330360" data-end="1332900">that Rupert Murdoch inherited from his father.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1333380" data-end="1336280">He quickly made a name for himself as a bold risk-taker</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1336280" data-end="1339140">and by the 1960s was buying up</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1339140" data-end="1341400">small Australian papers and tabloids</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1341400" data-end="1344580">using eye-catching headlines and sensational stories</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1344580" data-end="1346060">to increase readership.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1346560" data-end="1348260">Little by little, he expanded abroad</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1348260" data-end="1350580">with the purchase of UK print tabloids</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1350580" data-end="1352840">and then outlets in the U.S.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1353360" data-end="1355060">Each move built on the last,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1355200" data-end="1357180">creating a cross-continental network</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1357180" data-end="1359780">that gave him unmatched political influence</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1359780" data-end="1361220">and financial leverage.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1361600" data-end="1365500">Today, as many media companies struggle to stay afloat,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1365780" data-end="1369020">Fox Corporation has been able to set itself apart</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1369020" data-end="1370040">and stay profitable.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1370040" data-end="1372160">In the last fiscal year,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1372440" data-end="1374380">it reported a record high revenue</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1374380" data-end="1376380">of more than $16 billion.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1377480" data-end="1380160">So what&#8217;s next under this new leadership?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1380720" data-end="1383280">Print tabloids, which were the core of the company,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1383460" data-end="1384840">now losing money.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1385340" data-end="1387740">Growth is mainly coming from sports broadcasting,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1387980" data-end="1389340">subscriptions, and streaming.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1389920" data-end="1393040">Analysts expect the new CEO, Lachlan Murdoch,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1393120" data-end="1394680">to focus on those areas</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1394680" data-end="1396660">and cut back on weaker outlets.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1397100" data-end="1399780">Politically, though, little is expected to change</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1399780" data-end="1401960">at Fox News or the New York Post.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1402440" data-end="1405040">Only time will tell if Lachlan has the vision</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1405040" data-end="1408140">and leadership to ensure the long-term stability</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1408140" data-end="1410220">of this massive media network.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1410640" data-end="1412420">That&#8217;s Viewpoints Explained for this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1412680" data-end="1413600">More in a moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1422710" data-end="1424270">Welcome to Culture Crash,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1424390" data-end="1427450">where we examine what&#8217;s new and old in entertainment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1428270" data-end="1431250">Twenty One Pilots released their first major label album</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1431250" data-end="1433330">in 2013 called Vessel.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1433930" data-end="1436190">Immediately, the band made a name for themselves</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1436190" data-end="1439390">with a signature blend of electro-pop, hip-hop,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439490" data-end="1440390">and indie rock.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1440730" data-end="1442890">Their influences include Linkin Park,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1443090" data-end="1445490">Death Cab for Cutie, and My Chemical Romance,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1445830" data-end="1448190">but also 311 and Modest Yahoo.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1448850" data-end="1450550">Twenty One Pilots have never been afraid</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1450550" data-end="1452830">to mix up their genres and create a sound</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1452830" data-end="1455050">that is very specifically theirs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1455590" data-end="1458530">After hitting a commercial peak and winning a Grammy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1458530" data-end="1460370">with the 2015 album Blurryface</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1460730" data-end="1463290">that featured the hits Stressed Out and Ride,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1463690" data-end="1465510">the band has mostly shied away</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1465510" data-end="1466950">from chasing chart positions</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1466950" data-end="1469790">and instead doubled and tripled down</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1469790" data-end="1471930">on their idiosyncratic drum-heavy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1471930" data-end="1474070">spoken-word rock-rap fusion.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1474670" data-end="1476570">Their latest album is called Breach</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1476570" data-end="1478870">and it finds them at the top of their game</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1478870" data-end="1481210">making music that could only be theirs.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1481670" data-end="1483450">The first song, City Walls,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1483550" data-end="1485410">wraps up a 10-year narrative arc</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1485410" data-end="1486750">that has littered their music</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1486750" data-end="1489570">with an allegory for anxiety and depression</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1489570" data-end="1491930">by way of a protagonist named Clancy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1491930" data-end="1493810">locked away in a city called Dima</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1493810" data-end="1495730">with a group of fellow rebels.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1496210" data-end="1498890">The song works both as an achievement of storytelling</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1498890" data-end="1501090">for those interested in the band&#8217;s lore</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1501090" data-end="1504070">and as a genre-hopping extravaganza</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1504070" data-end="1505670">for listeners who know nothing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1505670" data-end="1507190">about the long-running arc.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1507790" data-end="1510350">Perhaps the best song on the album is Drum Show,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1510710" data-end="1513890">a nu-metal adjacent showcase for drummer Josh Dunn</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513890" data-end="1516410">that features a signature primal scream</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1516410" data-end="1517970">from frontman Tyler Joseph</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1517970" data-end="1519830">and a rip-roaring chorus</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1519830" data-end="1522830">that will please any emo music-loving millennial.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1522830" data-end="1525850">I&#8217;ve been this way. I want to change.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1526010" data-end="1528250">Dunn and Joseph both sing on the track.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1528830" data-end="1530470">Another song, Downstairs,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1530730" data-end="1533510">finally sees the band finish a 14-year-old demo</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1533510" data-end="1535330">that naturally sounds similar</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1535330" data-end="1539090">to the Vessel and Blurryface-era songs of the 2010s.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1539530" data-end="1541690">A personal favorite of mine, One Way,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1541870" data-end="1544390">is a breezy bit of ethereal music-making</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1544390" data-end="1546750">that&#8217;s perfect for driving down a highway</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1546750" data-end="1547950">with the windows down.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1548710" data-end="1551130">For years now, 21 Pilots has maintained</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1551130" data-end="1553750">a small but mighty group of dedicated listeners</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1553750" data-end="1556050">by making their own brand of music.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1556590" data-end="1558610">Their new album, Breach, sounds like a band</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1558610" data-end="1561070">looking back on a decade and a half of music</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1561070" data-end="1563690">and rejoicing in the many ways they&#8217;ve found</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1563690" data-end="1565750">to give voice to their particular brand</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1565750" data-end="1569030">of anxious millennial emo rock-rap angst.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1569650" data-end="1571230">With their years-long narrative completed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1571230" data-end="1573250">and old demos polished up and released,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1573550" data-end="1576250">what comes next for the duo from Columbus, Ohio</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1576250" data-end="1577790">remains an open question.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1577790" data-end="1580890">But Breach is an unmitigated success.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1581470" data-end="1582190">I&#8217;m Evan Rook.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1587430" data-end="1589610">When you bundle Renters and Auto with Progressive,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1589690" data-end="1591950">you can save while protecting your most valuable possessions,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1592470" data-end="1594590">like your really expensive limited-edition sneakers</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1594590" data-end="1596670">and your new suit for your cousin&#8217;s wedding.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1596970" data-end="1598690">Except you never actually bought the suit</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1598690" data-end="1600610">because you can&#8217;t stop buying sneakers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1601090" data-end="1602470">So you show up to the wedding</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1602470" data-end="1604110">looking like you&#8217;re going grocery shopping.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1604410" data-end="1606610">But hey, at least your sneakers will look good in the pictures.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1607030" data-end="1609070">Until you&#8217;re cropped out of every last one of them.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1609470" data-end="1610750">So go ahead and get Progressive,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1610750" data-end="1613870">so you can save while protecting the things that matter to you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1614330" data-end="1615730">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1615730" data-end="1617430">and other insurers not available in all states or situations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1618130" data-end="1620050">It&#8217;s a classic odor tale.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1620210" data-end="1621810">You fried fish for dinner, cleaned up,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1621950" data-end="1624730">but the smell is still in the house.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1626190" data-end="1628230">And the neighbors are coming over for game night.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1628370" data-end="1629890">They&#8217;re on their way.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1631370" data-end="1633830">And then you spray Febreze Air Mist.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1634010" data-end="1635390">Febreze Air starts working instantly</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 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