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		<title>3 Historic Shifts That Rewrote Black Worth in America</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2026 19:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<img width="150" height="150" src="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/image_c3ad78e5-1-150x150.png" class="attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="Historical illustration depicting formerly enslaved African Americans transitioning from slavery into Reconstruction-era America while confronting Black Codes, arrests, and the rise of convict leasing." decoding="async" />A powerful examination of how Black labor helped build America, how slavery evolved after emancipation, and how laws, policies, and convict leasing reshaped the nation's view of Black worth and freedom.]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<img width="150" height="150" src="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/image_c3ad78e5-1-150x150.png" class="attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="Historical illustration depicting formerly enslaved African Americans transitioning from slavery into Reconstruction-era America while confronting Black Codes, arrests, and the rise of convict leasing." decoding="async" /><p class="isSelectedEnd"><strong>MAJOR TAKEAWAYS</strong></p>
<p class="isSelectedEnd">• Enslaved Black Americans helped build the economic foundation of America while being denied basic human rights and freedoms.</p>
<p class="isSelectedEnd">• Following emancipation, Black Codes and discriminatory laws were used to restrict opportunities and maintain control over Black labor.</p>
<p>• The 13th Amendment&#8217;s exception clause created a pathway for convict leasing, allowing forced labor to continue under a different legal framework.</p>
<h2>THE PRICE OF FREEDOM</h2>
<p><strong><span style="color: #000000;">By Felicia Kelly-Brookins• </span></strong><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #000080;">2 min read</span></span></p>
<p>An Urban City Podcast Featured Opinion Editorial</p>
<p>PART I- How America Rewrote the Story of Black Worth After Slavery<br />
There is a question <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/black-culture-bonnets-and-identity-politics/">America</a> has spent more than 160 years avoiding, How did a people once<br />
considered valuable enough to build a nation become a people so often viewed with suspicion<br />
inside the nation they helped build? It is a question rooted in history and reflected in policy. And<br />
it is a question that still echoes through courtrooms, classrooms, neighborhoods, businesses, and<br />
headlines today.</p>
<p>For more than two centuries, enslaved <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/black-families-fight-to-protect-southern-land/">Africans</a> and their descendants were considered among<br />
the most valuable commodities in America. Their labor fueled an economy. Their bodies<br />
generated wealth. Their hands built fortunes they would never inherit. Yet, America denied them<br />
freedom, citizenship, education and the right of humanity. Yet somehow, America never denied<br />
their value.</p>
<p>No one questioned whether Black people were hardworking while the nation&#8217;s<br />
agricultural economy depended upon their labor. No one questioned their reliability when entire<br />
industries were built on their backs, and no one questioned their productivity when their labor<br />
enriched plantation owners, banks, railroads, merchants, and businesses throughout the country.<br />
Their labor was valuable. Their lives were not. Then slavery ended and something remarkable<br />
happened.</p>
<p>The value assigned to Black labor began to disappear, while the stereotypes assigned<br />
to Black people began to grow. The Civil War ended slavery but it did not end America&#8217;s<br />
dependence on controlling Black labor. The emancipation of four million formerly enslaved<br />
people created an economic crisis for those who had built wealth through free labor. Suddenly,<br />
the workforce that had once generated enormous profits could no longer legally be owned.</p>
<p>The solution was not <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/impact-2026-sotu-politics-health-disparities-equity-access-in-trump-state-of-the-union-impact-on-african-american-communities/">equality</a>; The solution was adaptation. Southern states quickly enacted<br />
Black Codes designed to restrict the movement, employment, and freedoms of newly<br />
emancipated African Americans. Laws were written that criminalized unemployment. They<br />
targeted loitering, vagrancy, movement and the very existence of black people.</p>
<p>Thousands of Black men found themselves arrested not because they were dangerous, but because they were<br />
Black and free in a society struggling to accept either. Then came one of the most overlooked<br />
realities in American history, The 13th Amendment. The 13th Amendment abolished slavery and<br />
involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. That exception became a doorway to<br />
convict leasing in the South .</p>
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		<title>3 Historical Warnings About Dehumanization That America Cannot Ignore</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2026 20:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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									<p><strong>Major Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li data-start="568" data-end="702"><p data-start="570" data-end="702"><strong data-start="570" data-end="618">Dehumanization is strategic, not accidental.</strong> It has historically been used to justify unequal treatment and normalize cruelty.</p></li><li data-start="703" data-end="840"><p data-start="705" data-end="840"><strong data-start="705" data-end="752">Language shapes policy and public behavior.</strong> Harmful imagery narrows empathy and makes injustice easier for societies to tolerate.</p></li><li data-start="841" data-end="1002"><p data-start="843" data-end="1002"><strong data-start="843" data-end="883">Ignoring history invites repetition.</strong> Democracies require vigilance, accountability, and deliberate protections to prevent old hierarchies from resurfacing.</p></li></ul>								</div>
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									<p data-start="476" data-end="866"> </p><h2 data-start="380" data-end="449"><strong data-start="380" data-end="449">Dehumanization Is Never Harmless: Why History Demands Our Refusal</strong></h2><p data-start="451" data-end="474"><strong data-start="451" data-end="474">By Felicia Brookins</strong></p><p data-start="476" data-end="866">The recent circulation of a video depicting Michelle Obama and <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/documentaries-you-must-see-black-history/">Barack Obama</a> as apes should have unsettled every American. One was the nation’s first Black president; the other, its first Black First Lady. To portray them in such a manner — and for that portrayal to be shared publicly by a sitting president — crossed more than a line of decorum. It entered the realm of historical warning.</p><p data-start="868" data-end="929">This was not merely an insult. It was an expression of power.</p><p data-start="931" data-end="1256">Public disrespect is rarely politically neutral, particularly when it travels along the well-worn tracks of racial hierarchy. The message, implicit yet unmistakable, was that even the highest offices held by <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/streaming-wars-black-creatives-winning-big-2/">Black Americans</a> do not guarantee protection from ridicule or degradation. Respect, it suggested, remains conditional.</p><p data-start="1258" data-end="1607">Dehumanization is not the byproduct of carelessness or cultural misunderstanding. It is not a joke that traveled too far or a lapse in etiquette excusable by appeals to humor or free speech. It is a deliberate political practice — one refined across centuries of racial violence — that dissolves the ethical boundaries meant to safeguard human life.</p><p data-start="1609" data-end="1650">History leaves little room for ambiguity.</p><p data-start="1652" data-end="2190">The animalization of Black people has long functioned as a mechanism of racial control. During chattel slavery, enslaved Africans were routinely depicted as subhuman in both visual culture and written text, providing moral justification for abduction, forced labor, sexual violence, and terror. By the nineteenth century, pseudoscientific theories attempted to legitimize <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/books-that-changed-narrative-on-race-and-identity/">racial inequality</a> through fabricated evolutionary hierarchies and cranial measurements, recasting oppression as biological inevitability rather than political choice.</p><p data-start="2192" data-end="2360">Under <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/relentless-courage-1-woman-who-shook-the-nation-fannie-lou-hamer/">Jim Crow</a>, these narratives migrated into cartoons, minstrel performances, advertising, and propaganda that portrayed Blackness itself as a threat to social order.</p><p data-start="2362" data-end="2487">Such imagery was never incidental. It was infrastructural — necessary to the maintenance of both individual and mob violence.</p><p data-start="2489" data-end="2923">When a population is marked as less than human, empathy is no longer presumed. Brutality becomes administratively manageable. Indifference begins to resemble normalcy. This is why these representations have always functioned as alarms rather than amusements. They prepare societies to tolerate cruelty in its many forms: lynching as spectacle, policing as domination, incarceration as routine governance, and neglect as public policy.</p><p data-start="2925" data-end="3169">Today, when these tropes resurface through digital culture, caricature, or coded rhetoric, they are often dismissed as harmless provocation or defended as exercises in free expression. Those who object are frequently accused of oversensitivity.</p><p data-start="3171" data-end="3244">But the issue is not emotional fragility. It is historical consciousness.</p><p data-start="3246" data-end="3475">Dehumanizing imagery tends to emerge most forcefully during periods of social change — moments when demands for equity challenge entrenched structures of privilege. Its recurrence is rarely random; it is the language of backlash.</p><p data-start="3477" data-end="3672">For this reason, legal and institutional interventions such as Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiatives and affirmative action are not excesses of reform but instruments of democratic repair.</p><p data-start="3674" data-end="3947">These frameworks exist to interrupt systems shaped by centuries of exclusion and reinforced by narratives of inferiority. When public institutions have been organized around the denial of full humanity, claims of neutrality do not produce fairness; they protect inequality.</p><p data-start="3949" data-end="4262">Affirmative action begins with the recognition that inequality is structural, not merely interpersonal. DEI initiatives insist that representation, access, and accountability matter because cultural narratives influence policy — and policy determines whose lives are safeguarded and whose are rendered expendable.</p><p data-start="4264" data-end="4381">These measures are not about preference. They are about confronting harm that has been normalized across generations.</p><p data-start="4383" data-end="4625">To dismantle such protections while dehumanizing language remains in circulation is to deny the continuity between past and present. Language shapes social conditions, and those conditions shape who receives care, protection, and recognition.</p><p data-start="4627" data-end="4824">When people are positioned outside the boundaries of the human, the moral imagination contracts. Compassion is withdrawn. Cruelty becomes permissible. Social indifference is recast as common sense.</p><p data-start="4826" data-end="5098">Dehumanizing imagery has never been harmless expression; it has always signaled danger. It trains the collective conscience to accept violence — whether through public terror, institutional force, mass incarceration, or the quieter abandonment of communities by the state.</p><p data-start="5100" data-end="5314">This is not a question of being “too sensitive.” It is a matter of understanding that to liken Black people to animals has historically served as a declaration that they do not fully belong within the human family.</p><p data-start="5316" data-end="5574">Any society that claims a commitment to justice must therefore be disciplined in its language, honest about its memory, and accountable through its laws. Silence, after all, has never been a neutral posture. Too often, it has been the companion of injustice.</p><p data-start="5576" data-end="5683">History does not ask whether we recognize these patterns. It asks whether we are willing to interrupt them.</p>								</div>
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400 Years and the Untold Biography of the World&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="172970" data-end="173710">Greatest City.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="174430" data-end="178570">Roberts says that many Americans, even New Yorkers themselves, don&#8217;t really know the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="178570" data-end="181630">full extent of the city&#8217;s interesting history.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="182150" data-end="188370">Once figured out with a couple of demographers that as many as a billion people have lived</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="188370" data-end="190530">in New York from the very beginning.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="190630" data-end="195590">Unfortunately, we don&#8217;t have a good record of the Lenape people, who were the first people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="195590" data-end="200430">who lived in New York for thousands of years before the Europeans came.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="200750" data-end="205410">But when you look at the history of the city, it is a history built by people.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="205410" data-end="212090">The grid system, the system of streets, that rectangular grid that defined development in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="212090" data-end="217410">New York, the buildings, the Empire State Building that will always be the most iconic building</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="217410" data-end="218030">in New York.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="218390" data-end="223870">Again, the Statue of Liberty, which all over the world became this welcoming symbol for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="223870" data-end="226590">immigrants who define New York.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="226650" data-end="231950">Today the city is home to more than 8 million residents and almost 40 percent were born</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="231950" data-end="235850">outside the U.S., according to the New York City Department of Planning.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="236390" data-end="241670">For so many, New York has long represented opportunity, progress, and the idea that if</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="241670" data-end="244390">you work hard enough, you can achieve your dreams.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="244870" data-end="249130">Roberts highlights some of the stories of past New Yorkers who followed their dreams</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="249130" data-end="251030">and stood up for what they believed in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="251350" data-end="257290">One such narrative is that of Elizabeth Jennings Graham, an African-American woman who refused</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="257290" data-end="260550">to get off a whites-only trolley in 1854.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="261230" data-end="267270">Perfectly well-dressed, perfectly respectable, but it was a whites-only trolley and she sued.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="267590" data-end="272670">She sued the trolley company and her lawyer happened to be a man named Chester Arthur,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="272830" data-end="276990">a young lawyer who would later become the President of the United States.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="277490" data-end="284450">And as I point out in this book, she won her lawsuit in 1854 in Brooklyn Supreme Court.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="284990" data-end="288490">And this was a hundred years before Rosa Parks.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="288490" data-end="293910">Her courage set a legal precedent and pushed the city into a new era of equality.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="294590" data-end="298690">And she wasn&#8217;t the only outspoken woman from New York to make a lasting impact.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="299310" data-end="304470">Carmelia Goff was the daughter of Caribbean immigrants and championed women&#8217;s rights.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="304890" data-end="311490">She was instrumental in reviving a Brooklyn neighborhood that was a vast wasteland in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="311490" data-end="313450">the 1970s, East New York.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="313750" data-end="317170">It was just a bombed out section of the city.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="317170" data-end="324050">And she, with the help of her neighbors, rebuilt that neighborhood, just like the Irish, the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="324050" data-end="328350">Italians, other ethnic groups did in the 19th century.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="328750" data-end="335530">She had the gumption, the guts, the courage, the energy with her neighbors to rebuild that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="335530" data-end="338790">neighborhood. And that&#8217;s what immigrants are doing today.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="339070" data-end="342010">And immigrants have always done that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="342030" data-end="344350">And they&#8217;re doing it all over the United States.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="344350" data-end="350350">And I think that is the spirit of New York, the spirit of America that I wanted to capture</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350350" data-end="351950">in this book, The New Yorkers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="351950" data-end="358350">And I think she, this woman, Carmelia Goff, is emblematic of that spirit and emblematic</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="358350" data-end="359570">of the city of New York.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="360030" data-end="364590">While some New Yorkers come from generational wealth, many others come with nothing and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="364590" data-end="367690">get their foot in the door through any opportunity they can find.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="368230" data-end="373470">Throughout history, some of the biggest names in media, finance and other sectors have built</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="373470" data-end="376250">their empires from the ground up in the Big Apple.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="376830" data-end="382370">One of these titans is a man named James Gordon Bennett, who&#8217;s largely recognized as the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="382370" data-end="384090">founder of the modern newspaper.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="384350" data-end="389930">He was sort of a madman in his own way, but he really established what was called the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="389930" data-end="391550">Penny Press in New York.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="392050" data-end="395430">He knew what people wanted to read, and he gave it to them.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="395770" data-end="398210">And what they wanted to read was news.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="398210" data-end="404910">He defined news about ordinary people, whether it was murders, whether it was financial news,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="405270" data-end="406350">whether it was gossip.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="406790" data-end="411090">And he built the New York Herald into a major newspaper.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="411770" data-end="417110">In every facet of work and play, Robert says New Yorkers of the past and present are strong,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="417370" data-end="421730">steadfast and proud people who symbolize the resilience of the city.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="422150" data-end="427110">Whether it was the great fire during the Revolution, during the Brooklyn, during the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="427110" data-end="433970">brutal British occupation, whether it was through 9-11, whether it was the super storm</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="433970" data-end="440110">Sandy, whether it was the flu epidemic of 1919, the recent pandemic.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="440110" data-end="443210">We have had the resilience to keep coming back.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="443630" data-end="449750">New York remains the largest city in the country, and not just in size, but in imagination and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="449750" data-end="450370">opportunity.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="450690" data-end="456050">Its energy and vibrancy have always belonged to the people who built it, challenged it</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="456050" data-end="459570">and refused to live anywhere else on earth.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="460070" data-end="466070">To find out more about this topic and our guest, Sam Roberts, visit viewpointsradio.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="466630" data-end="471430">For more behind-the-scenes, search Viewpoints Radio on Instagram, X and Facebook.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="471850" data-end="478950">Also check out Robert&#8217;s book, The New Yorkers, 31 Remarkable People, 400 Years and the Untold</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="478950" data-end="484530">Biography of the World&#8217;s Greatest City, available online and in select bookstores now.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="484530" data-end="489310">This segment originally aired in 2021 and has since been updated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="489970" data-end="492170">Our writer-producer is Amira Zaveri.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="492270" data-end="494430">Our studio manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="494950" data-end="496210">I&#8217;m Gary Price.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="496730" data-end="499030">This segment is sponsored by Capital One.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="499370" data-end="504110">Banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="504110" data-end="506890">on checking accounts and no overdraft fees.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="507290" data-end="508310">What&#8217;s in your wallet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 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the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="526590" data-end="528510">databases of the digital age.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="528830" data-end="529730">When Viewpoints returns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="533620" data-end="539360">$5,000, that&#8217;s the average amount of money people in the U.S. are now spending on gas</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="539360" data-end="540220">in a year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="540420" data-end="541400">Five grand.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="541580" data-end="542300">That&#8217;s crazy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="542520" data-end="547500">If you drive, you have to download Upside, the free app that gives you cash back every</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="547500" data-end="548460">time you get gas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="548460" data-end="549200">That&#8217;s right.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="549280" data-end="553580">You can earn real cash back with Upside just by buying the gas you&#8217;re already buying.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="553740" data-end="556360">You can literally start earning cash back today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556580" data-end="558100">I use Upside every time I fill up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="558180" data-end="559920">I&#8217;ve already made around $200, $300.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="560500" data-end="561840">You&#8217;re putting gas in your car anyway.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="562140" data-end="563860">Why not get real cash back?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="563920" data-end="565760">If you like free money, download Upside.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="565880" data-end="570020">I&#8217;m saving the cash I earn from using Upside to help pay for a vacation later this year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="570180" data-end="573940">Download the free Upside app now to earn cash back every time you buy gas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="573940" data-end="578680">Use promo code OWN to get an extra $0.25 per gallon on your first tank.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="578760" data-end="583020">You can cash out any time right to your bank, PayPal, or a gift card for Amazon and other</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="583020" data-end="583400">brands.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="583520" data-end="588900">Just download the free Upside app and use promo code OWN for a $0.25 per gallon bonus</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="588900" data-end="589760">on your first tank.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="589880" data-end="593200">That&#8217;s code OWN for a $0.25 per gallon bonus.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="593880" data-end="597380">With Progressive, it&#8217;s easy to reach customer service with our app, website, chat, or by</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="597380" data-end="597620">phone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="597700" data-end="600100">Because when getting help is hard, it&#8217;s not help at all.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="600100" data-end="603740">A little help, a little help over here.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="603980" data-end="605680">Thank you for calling bench press assistance.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="606160" data-end="606600">What?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="606800" data-end="610380">Due to excessive gym volume, all available spotters are currently lifting heavy weights</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="610380" data-end="611860">off the chests of other bench pressers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="612460" data-end="612900">Seriously?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="613100" data-end="616780">Please continue to hold, and we will remove the barbell from your chest in the order in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="616780" data-end="618320">which your cry for help was received.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="618840" data-end="620460">Getting assistance should be easy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="620740" data-end="621960">With Progressive, it is.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="622340" data-end="623720">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="624040" data-end="627400">At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about going to the bathroom in public, so</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="627400" data-end="628900">we decided to sing about it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="628900" data-end="631180">Charmin Ultra Strong.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="631340" data-end="633540">You can use less, better than the rest.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="633880" data-end="635480">Charmin Ultra Strong.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="635620" data-end="637640">Your booty pass the clean test.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="637900" data-end="639860">Diamond weave texture, it&#8217;s the best.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="640020" data-end="642160">Study up, teach a lesson on fresh.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="642360" data-end="644500">Your booty pass the clean test.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="644500" data-end="645160">Yes, sir.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="645400" data-end="647240">Charmin Ultra Strong.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="647620" data-end="649560">Charmin Ultra Strong with diamond weave texture.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="649640" data-end="652280">Cleans better than the leading one-ply brands, so you can use less.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="652460" data-end="653560">Enjoy the go with Charmin.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="663580" data-end="665340">Most of us know the image.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="665340" data-end="672600">A dimly lit FBI office, corkboards lined with mugshots, endless red string connecting dozens</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="672600" data-end="673260">of clues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="673880" data-end="679880">Behind it all are a team of criminal profilers who are all part detectives and part psychologists.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="680680" data-end="686420">But behind all the true crime podcasts and television drama lies a much more complicated</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="686420" data-end="686940">picture.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="687640" data-end="691460">Rachel Corbett has been piecing this picture together for many years.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="691460" data-end="697740">Corbett is an investigative journalist and the author of The Monsters We Make, Murder,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="698160" data-end="700960">Obsession, and the Rise of Criminal Profiling.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="701600" data-end="705000">For her, this isn&#8217;t just a deep dive study of a field.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="705420" data-end="706100">It&#8217;s personal.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="706520" data-end="711820">When I was a child, a man that I knew who was like a father figure, he was my mother&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="711820" data-end="716260">partner for several years, ended up killing someone soon after they broke up.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="716880" data-end="718900">And I was six years old when they met.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="718900" data-end="722980">And so my memories of him are really of a kind, loving, gentle man.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="723560" data-end="728560">And so when I found out years later that he murdered someone, a woman, his next partner,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="729000" data-end="730480">I couldn&#8217;t believe it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="730520" data-end="731600">It was totally baffling.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="731680" data-end="736040">And I got kind of obsessed with figuring out who he was, what was going on in his mind,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="736140" data-end="738660">how someone could do this unthinkable thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="739300" data-end="742840">And then, you know, of course, it&#8217;s, I come to realize, you know, it&#8217;s a very universal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="743580" data-end="743980">fascination.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="744540" data-end="749100">What makes people commit the worst crimes that we can think of?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="749460" data-end="754760">In Corbett&#8217;s case, she talked to experts, combed through records, and put together a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="754760" data-end="756420">basic profile on her own.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="757020" data-end="760320">Still, none of the motives made complete sense.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="760640" data-end="765240">As much as I investigated Scott, the man, I never really came to any conclusions that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="765240" data-end="765580">were clear.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="765680" data-end="767540">I looked at all the forensic evidence.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="767820" data-end="772640">I talked to sociologists about the prevalence of this kind of particular crime in this particular</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="772640" data-end="773180">place.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="773820" data-end="778460">I looked at his childhood history, and I tried to profile him myself, basically.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="779040" data-end="781780">And it didn&#8217;t really turn up anything satisfying.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="782240" data-end="784960">I left feeling like I still didn&#8217;t fully understand.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="785440" data-end="790920">And that desire to make sense of the senseless is at the heart of profiling itself.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="791580" data-end="795360">Corbett explains how the field&#8217;s roots go back hundreds of years.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="795780" data-end="801200">I trace it back to the days of Jack the Ripper in Victorian England, which is when what&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="801200" data-end="805000">commonly considered the first known criminal profile was written.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="805580" data-end="810440">A police surgeon named Thomas Bond wrote, well, he examined the forensic evidence, of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="810440" data-end="810660">course.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="810740" data-end="813580">He looked at the bodies, looked at the physical clues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="813760" data-end="819360">But he also decided to look more at the personality markers, the behavioral clues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="819640" data-end="822340">He thought about, you know, what Jack might have been wearing.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="822660" data-end="828420">He speculated that he&#8217;s probably a very calm man because he was able to keep cool while</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="828420" data-end="830780">murdering people out in the open on the streets.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="831200" data-end="836160">Sadly, the person behind the Jack the Ripper killings was never caught or convicted.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="836880" data-end="842400">While this first criminal profile didn&#8217;t solve the case, it did change how investigators</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="842400" data-end="843120">thought.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="843620" data-end="847080">For the first time, they weren&#8217;t just blindly hunting a suspect.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="847700" data-end="853740">They spent time building an analysis and questioned why the person acted in certain ways.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="854220" data-end="861020">This small shift gained steam over time and transformed the art of profiling from speculation</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="861020" data-end="864540">into one of law enforcement&#8217;s biggest tools today.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="864860" data-end="871660">It took off in the 1970s when the FBI Behavioral Science Unit took off.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="871760" data-end="876140">I mean, actually, I should say the Behavioral Science Unit started when Howard Teton came</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="876140" data-end="877680">to the FBI in the 60s.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="877680" data-end="884360">But in the 70s, as Ted Bundy was rampaging across the country, and soon you had John</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="884360" data-end="888980">Wayne Gacy, and there was this feeling of a serial killer epidemic.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889420" data-end="892360">And the FBI kind of pounced on that fear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="892720" data-end="895200">And they drummed it up actually a bit too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="895280" data-end="900300">Like they exaggerated the numbers of murders that these people were committing, how many</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="900300" data-end="902920">there were out there, how far they were traveling.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="902920" data-end="904780">They exaggerated all those numbers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="905060" data-end="910260">And then in the end, we&#8217;re able to get federal funds allocated from Congress.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="910260" data-end="912200">We&#8217;re able to expand their jurisdiction.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="912720" data-end="918660">By the late 1970s, the FBI&#8217;s Behavioral Science Unit had formalized what had once</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="918660" data-end="919720">been intuition.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="920500" data-end="926140">Agents began interviewing convicted murderers, documenting habits and tracing behavioral</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="926140" data-end="930000">patterns in an attempt to predict who might offend again.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="930580" data-end="935900">Profiling offered a way to merge psychology with police work at a time when the number</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="935900" data-end="938640">of serial killings seemed to be on the rise.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="939180" data-end="943620">However, the media headlines didn&#8217;t quite match up with the national data.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="944080" data-end="946980">When you look at the numbers, there really wasn&#8217;t a dramatic uptick.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="947100" data-end="950400">There have been like upticks in these crimes throughout history.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="950540" data-end="952720">There&#8217;s periods where they&#8217;re higher and lower and higher and lower.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="952820" data-end="956320">But this wasn&#8217;t actually anywhere near what they said.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="956600" data-end="959380">But they definitely put the cameras on these people.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="960020" data-end="961940">Ted Bundy was all over the news.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="962580" data-end="965120">And it came at a time of the culture wars.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="965740" data-end="969760">So you had Reagan running on this concept of stamping out evil.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="970240" data-end="974480">And these were perfect personifications of evil for him to campaign on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="974840" data-end="979280">Suddenly, politicians all over the U.S. were campaigning on Bundy&#8217;s execution, like,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="979400" data-end="984000">I&#8217;m going to execute him faster if I get into office, and morbid stuff like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="984000" data-end="988480">Corbett says that Ted Bundy&#8217;s case blurred the boundaries between</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="988480" data-end="991260">criminal study and public fascination.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="991900" data-end="996580">This case captured the nation&#8217;s attention because Bundy seemed so ordinary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="997140" data-end="1001340">He was educated, polite, good-looking, and very likable.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1002000" data-end="1007140">All of these traits shook up long-held ideas of how a killer looked or acted.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1007840" data-end="1012320">Even after Bundy was caught, the media frenzy didn&#8217;t stop there.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1012320" data-end="1014840">He had a kind of remarkable trial.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1015020" data-end="1019560">He escaped from jail twice and then represented himself at trial.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1019680" data-end="1022300">And this very, you know, got married on the stand.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1022620" data-end="1025160">So, you know, he was quite a spectacle to watch too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1025220" data-end="1027720">So I think that&#8217;s part of the fascination with him.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1027819" data-end="1033020">You know, even the judge said when he was sentencing him for the murder of a 12-year-old</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1033020" data-end="1036819">girl, he said, you know, hey, partner, I don&#8217;t hold this against you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1036880" data-end="1038200">I think you&#8217;d be a great lawyer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1038460" data-end="1039740">It&#8217;s too bad you went the other way.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1039839" data-end="1041240">You know, I don&#8217;t have anything against you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1041240" data-end="1045099">Like this kind of weird, like even the judge couldn&#8217;t quite reconcile</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1045640" data-end="1048220">the man in front of him with the monster.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1048640" data-end="1052600">And even decades later, this fascination with him hasn&#8217;t faded.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1052900" data-end="1056560">One similar recent case is that of the Long Island architect,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1056920" data-end="1063220">who in 2023 was arrested and charged for the murders of seven women in New York.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1063680" data-end="1067740">For many Americans, it came as a surprise because from the outside,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1067740" data-end="1070180">he seemed like a normal guy who was married,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1070500" data-end="1074320">successful and lived a quiet life in a quiet suburban neighborhood.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1074780" data-end="1075600">He was an architect.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1075980" data-end="1078720">It&#8217;s like this, he was able to hold down a job.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1078900" data-end="1079840">He had colleagues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1080060" data-end="1084120">So, you know, he wasn&#8217;t some like ranting and raving freak.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1084340" data-end="1088880">You know, he was somebody who blended into society, had a wife and kids even, you know.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1089160" data-end="1094600">But I think it&#8217;s a combination of police failures, pretty catastrophic level.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1094600" data-end="1099160">But also just that we have more technology now to track serial killers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1099420" data-end="1101480">It&#8217;s very hard to be a serial killer now</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1101480" data-end="1107680">with cell phone towers and DNA and all the other things we can use to catch people now.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1108180" data-end="1113160">Profiling has also evolved, but many of the old biases remain.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1113780" data-end="1119160">Corbett points out that early profilers once looked for physical markers of criminality,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1119500" data-end="1122460">like the shape of a head, a nose, a jaw.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1122460" data-end="1126480">They were often drawing from the same racial and class prejudices</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1126480" data-end="1128780">that existed in society at that time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1129580" data-end="1133080">Today, those patterns have been replaced by data points.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1133600" data-end="1139140">Rather than facial features, profilers and algorithms now examine zip codes,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1139460" data-end="1143740">family histories or social media activity to identify risk.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1144000" data-end="1149040">And while the approach has changed, the outcome can also be biased.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1149040" data-end="1153480">In the book, I look at a really unsettling case of profiling in Florida,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1153520" data-end="1157640">where they targeted children based on what their parents did.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1157800" data-end="1160940">So if the parents were in jail or if there was domestic violence in the home,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1161260" data-end="1165860">those children could then be targeted for enhanced policing as they&#8217;re growing up.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1166160" data-end="1168880">And of course, what happens is if you target somebody for policing,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1169460" data-end="1171920">they end up, you end up catching them for crimes more often.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1172080" data-end="1175460">Maybe it&#8217;s a little marijuana charge or they&#8217;re skipping classes,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1175760" data-end="1177580">little things that get them into the system.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1178160" data-end="1184280">And in the future, you know, I think the data-driven policing and profiling and with AI</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1184280" data-end="1186660">also is going to ramp up.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1186660" data-end="1188720">And I&#8217;d like to say that it would get better.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1189000" data-end="1191020">You know, you get better data, you get better results.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1191420" data-end="1193600">But it just hasn&#8217;t necessarily worked that way.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1194060" data-end="1198420">Technology may make profiling faster, but not necessarily smarter.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1199140" data-end="1202360">Corbett warns that replacing human judgment with data</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1202360" data-end="1206780">doesn&#8217;t erase bias, but just hides it deeper behind code.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1206780" data-end="1209960">As these systems grow more powerful, she says,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1210180" data-end="1212720">the need for oversight has never been greater.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1213440" data-end="1217040">To learn more about criminal profiling and our guest, Rachel Corbett,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217300" data-end="1219020">head to viewpointsradio.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1219420" data-end="1222600">Also, check out her new book, The Monsters We Make,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1222900" data-end="1225860">Murder, Obsession, and the Rise of Criminal Profiling,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1226100" data-end="1228780">now available in select bookstores and online.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1229520" data-end="1232020">This story was written and produced by Amira Zaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1232360" data-end="1234460">Our studio manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1234460" data-end="1235900">I&#8217;m Marty Peterson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1243860" data-end="1245820">Viewpoints returns in just a moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1249300" data-end="1250160">$5,000.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1250560" data-end="1253020">That&#8217;s the average amount of money people in the U.S.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1253080" data-end="1255700">are now spending on gas in a year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1255920" data-end="1256880">Five grand.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1257060" data-end="1257780">That&#8217;s crazy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1258000" data-end="1260540">If you drive, you have to download Upside,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1260720" data-end="1263940">the free app that gives you cash back every time you get gas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1264060" data-end="1264680">That&#8217;s right.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1264740" data-end="1266840">You can earn real cash back with Upside.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1266940" data-end="1269060">Just by buying the gas you&#8217;re already buying.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1269160" data-end="1271860">You can literally start earning cash back today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1272020" data-end="1273580">I use Upside every time I fill up.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1273580" data-end="1275420">I&#8217;ve already made around $200, $300.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1275980" data-end="1277320">You&#8217;re putting gas in your car anyway.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1277600" data-end="1279280">Why not get real cash back?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1279380" data-end="1281200">If you like free money, download Upside.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1281340" data-end="1283320">I&#8217;m saving the cash I earn from using Upside</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1283320" data-end="1285480">to help pay for a vacation later this year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1285640" data-end="1289420">Download the free Upside app now to earn cash back every time you buy gas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1289560" data-end="1294160">Use promo code OWN to get an extra 25 cents per gallon on your first tank.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1294240" data-end="1296560">You can cash out anytime right to your bank, PayPal,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1296800" data-end="1298860">or a gift card for Amazon and other brands.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1298960" data-end="1302240">Just download the free Upside app and use promo code OWN</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1302240" data-end="1305240">for a 25 cents per gallon bonus on your first tank.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1305320" data-end="1308700">That&#8217;s code OWN for a 25 cents per gallon bonus.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1313620" data-end="1315960">This is Viewpoints Explained.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1316320" data-end="1317580">I&#8217;m Ebony McMorris.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1317900" data-end="1321740">Have you noticed the cost of your electricity creeping up this year?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1321940" data-end="1327000">You might not realize it, but this increase could be from artificial intelligence.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1327600" data-end="1331700">Behind every chatbot, image generator, and smart search tool</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1331700" data-end="1334140">is a huge network of data centers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1334140" data-end="1339780">All of this continuous computing requires enormous amounts of electricity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1339780" data-end="1343520">to process data and keep these machines from overheating.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1344040" data-end="1346920">While electricity costs are up across the board,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1347380" data-end="1351460">towns near these big data centers are getting hit extra hard.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1351860" data-end="1356200">A recent Bloomberg analysis found that wholesale electricity prices</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1356200" data-end="1363880">in some of these areas have soared by as much as 270% over the last five years.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1364140" data-end="1369200">Some policymakers are now exploring ways to make data center owners</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1369200" data-end="1374380">pay more for electricity costs so the burden doesn&#8217;t fall on residential consumers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1375020" data-end="1378980">Meanwhile, tech companies are investing in renewable microgrids,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1379440" data-end="1384540">liquid cooling, and energy efficient computer chips to lower electricity use.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1385060" data-end="1388940">Still, efficiency alone can&#8217;t offset the expansion</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1388940" data-end="1392560">of new data centers coming online every month.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1392560" data-end="1398740">In 2023, data centers used about 4% of all U.S. electricity,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1399160" data-end="1400900">according to the U.S. Department of Energy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1401420" data-end="1405340">By 2028, it&#8217;s predicted that this number will triple.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1405880" data-end="1411340">The promise of AI may be limitless, but the U.S. power grid isn&#8217;t.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1411800" data-end="1415680">What comes next is figuring out how to power this technology</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1415680" data-end="1419540">without overloading the system we all rely on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1419540" data-end="1423400">That&#8217;s a few points explained for this week, more in a moment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1433890" data-end="1438730">Welcome to Culture Crash, where we examine what&#8217;s new and old in entertainment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439690" data-end="1444270">Kevin Parker, the Australian hitmaker better known by his moniker Tame Impala,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1444750" data-end="1449810">is a do-it-all musical guru who&#8217;s found a way to blend the pop sensibilities of Paul McCartney,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1450290" data-end="1454330">a John Lennon vocal falsetto, and the psychedelic spark of Pink Floyd</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1454330" data-end="1457650">into a cocktail that fit in but stood out</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1457650" data-end="1461310">among the indie rock and electropop scenes of the 2010s.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1461490" data-end="1465350">His 2015 album Currents is a classic among millennials,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1465710" data-end="1470930">with tracks like The Less I Know The Better, Let It Happen, and New Person&#8217;s Same Old Mistakes</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1470930" data-end="1474110">racking up billions of streams across platforms</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1474110" data-end="1478690">and dominating Spotify-wrapped Instagram stories even years later.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1479290" data-end="1483970">Like all musicians, though, Parker&#8217;s output as Tame Impala is subject to change,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1483970" data-end="1488050">and his latest album Deadbeat has drawn some polarized responses</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1488050" data-end="1490430">across the internet and from critics alike.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1490810" data-end="1495410">Lead single End of Summer was noted for its more EDM-forward sounds,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1495690" data-end="1501310">while his later singles were widely regarded as fun but less complex than some of his earlier work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1501790" data-end="1507390">And that may be true, but these songs still sound unmistakably like Tame Impala to me.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1507890" data-end="1513330">So yes, the album&#8217;s opener My Old Ways uses a head fake start that sounds like a voice note</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513330" data-end="1518930">as a way to drop the listener into a vibe that&#8217;s more dance clubby than anything on Currents,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1519330" data-end="1522510">but I disagree that that&#8217;s necessarily a bad thing,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1522830" data-end="1527310">or that an artist should spend their lives chasing the high of their previous work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1527910" data-end="1531870">Parker is a husband and a father, as made clear by Deadbeat&#8217;s cover,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1532190" data-end="1533570">which shows him with his daughter,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1534070" data-end="1537430">and his new album isn&#8217;t steeped in quite as much existential dread</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1537430" data-end="1539590">and questioning as some of his past work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1539590" data-end="1544030">That&#8217;s probably by design though, and not a sign of creative decay.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1544770" data-end="1550270">A slower, more stripped back and bubbly sound seems to make sense for where he&#8217;s at in his life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1550810" data-end="1555670">Despite the polarized response, Deadbeat features a number of standout moments and tracks.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1556210" data-end="1560310">I&#8217;m drawn to the romance of Peace of Heaven and the infectious fun of Dracula.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1561070" data-end="1564530">Tame Impala has evolved and Tame Impala will continue to evolve.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1564990" data-end="1566750">Those albums still exist though,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1566750" data-end="1572090">and his new phase offers enough infectious hooks and catchy melodies to keep me coming back.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1572570" data-end="1575570">Will this album become a Tame Impala cult classic?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1575950" data-end="1578590">I&#8217;m not sure, and only time will tell.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1578930" data-end="1582150">In the meantime though, I&#8217;ll be bopping along to Loser.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1582750" data-end="1583470">I&#8217;m Evan Rook.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1640820" data-end="1654780">And that&#8217;s Viewpoints for this week.</span></span></p><p><span 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		<title>America on Edge: Jon Meacham Warns of Political Violence and a Shaken Democracy</title>
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									<p data-start="276" data-end="570"> </p><p data-start="568" data-end="592"><strong data-start="568" data-end="590">Major Takeaways:</strong></p><ul data-start="593" data-end="900"><li data-start="593" data-end="713"><p data-start="595" data-end="713">Historian Jon Meacham warns America is entering a dangerous period where deep divisions could destabilize democracy.</p></li><li data-start="714" data-end="809"><p data-start="716" data-end="809">The assassination of Charlie Kirk adds to a growing list of politically motivated violence.</p></li><li data-start="810" data-end="900"><p data-start="812" data-end="900">Meacham stresses America’s survival depends on keeping debates political, not violent</p></li></ul><p data-start="276" data-end="570">Pulitzer Prize winning historian Jon Meacham doesn’t sugarcoat it: America is in a dangerous place. Speaking on CBS’ <em data-start="393" data-end="409">Sunday Morning</em>, the author of <em data-start="425" data-end="446">The Soul of America</em> laid it out plain we’ve been here before, and we might be here again, but this moment is not the one we want to repeat.</p><p data-start="572" data-end="765">The question tearing at the nation’s soul? <em data-start="615" data-end="643">Who counts as an American?</em> Who belongs in “We the People”? Meacham says whenever that basic idea is under dispute, history shows violence follows.</p><p data-start="767" data-end="991">This week, we saw that play out. At Utah Valley University, conservative activist <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-conservative-activist-wounded-in-campus-shooting/">Charlie Kirk</a>, just 31, was gunned down during a public debate. By the next day, police had a suspect in custody: 22-year-old Tyler Robinson.</p><p data-start="993" data-end="1331">Kirk was no stranger to controversy. He built his name as a firebrand on the right, calling Trump the “bodyguard of Western civilization” at the 2020 Republican convention and blasting Democrats as plotting to turn America into a “third-world hellhole.” His sudden assassination now adds fuel to a country already burning with division.</p><p data-start="1333" data-end="1679">And it’s not an isolated act. In just over a year, the U.S. has been rocked by assassination attempts on Donald Trump, the firebombing of Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro’s home, the killings of Minnesota lawmaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, embassy staff murdered in D.C., and a police officer shot dead outside CDC headquarters in Atlanta.</p><p data-start="1681" data-end="1855">“This is not the America we want,” Meacham warned. “If we lose the ability to argue, dissent, and debate without violence, we’re breaking faith with the American covenant.”</p><p data-start="1857" data-end="2185">That covenant, he says, was never about harmony — it was about struggle. About working through difference <em data-start="1963" data-end="2006">without turning difference into bloodshed</em>. Think about Omaha Beach, the Pettus Bridge, Gettysburg. Those moments weren’t perfect — far from it — but they showed ordinary Americans pushing toward a “more perfect union.”</p><p data-start="2187" data-end="2487">Meacham’s message for leaders and everyday people alike: <em data-start="2244" data-end="2320">Tell the story. Make the case. Remind the country what we’re fighting for.</em> Because if the past teaches us anything, it’s that survival depends not on silencing opponents but respecting them enough to keep the fight political, not physical.</p><p data-start="2489" data-end="2625">“Barely,” Meacham admits, we’ve made it through before. But barely is still survival. And today, he says, that’s the only way forward.</p>								</div>
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