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		<title>Powerful Emotion, Weight, Spine, Health, and Intelligence Truths That Could Change Your Life</title>
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									<p><strong>Major Takeaways</strong></p><p>Emotional intelligence plays a major role in how people manage stress, health, and daily life decisions<br data-start="587" data-end="590" />• Even small amounts of weight gain can place serious long term strain on the spine and joints<br data-start="684" data-end="687" />• Strong emotional awareness and physical fitness together lead to better overall health outcomes</p>								</div>
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class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="31850" data-end="38090">It&#8217;s a field that is characterized as much by sense of opinions than by actual facts.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="38430" data-end="41150">All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="47060" data-end="47940">$5,000.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="48360" data-end="53500">That&#8217;s the average amount of money people in the U.S. are now spending on gas in a year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 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group" title="Play starting at 1:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="62560" data-end="66860">You can earn real cash back with Upside just by buying the gas you&#8217;re already buying.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="67000" data-end="69580">You can literally start earning cash back today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="69860" data-end="73200">I use Upside every time I fill up and I&#8217;ve already made around $200, $300.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="73760" data-end="75120">You&#8217;re putting gas in your car anyway.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="75400" data-end="77120">Why not get real cash back?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="77220" data-end="79020">If you like free money, download Upside.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="79180" data-end="83280">I&#8217;m saving the cash I earn from using Upside to help pay for a vacation later this year.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="83400" data-end="87240">Download the free Upside app now to earn cash back every time you buy gas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="87240" data-end="91580">Use promo code NEW5 to get up to a $5 bonus on your first tank.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="91660" data-end="96240">You can cash out any time, right to your bank, PayPal, or a gift card for Amazon and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="96240" data-end="96800">other brands.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="96940" data-end="102040">Just download the free Upside app and use promo code NEW5 to get up to a $5 bonus on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="102040" data-end="102760">your first tank.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="102940" data-end="107080">That&#8217;s code NEW5 to get up to a $5 bonus on your first tank.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="116400" data-end="118920">What would you say happiness looks like?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="119300" data-end="124300">Some may point to a person who looks relaxed or content, while others would say it&#8217;s someone</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="124300" data-end="125720">who&#8217;s smiling or laughing.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="126240" data-end="130680">It&#8217;s no secret that on any given day, humans feel a wide variety of emotions.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="131460" data-end="136040">While they&#8217;re present in nearly every aspect of our lives, Andrew Ortoni says we still</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="136040" data-end="137180">don&#8217;t know much about them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="137740" data-end="143020">Ortoni is a professor emeritus of psychology, education, and computer science at Northwestern</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="143020" data-end="147040">University and has been researching emotions since the 1980s.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="147480" data-end="152400">He says a lot of the discussions are opinion-based because researchers can&#8217;t agree on any one</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="152400" data-end="154560">theory about what emotions exactly are.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="155120" data-end="158300">However, we do know that they help us navigate our daily lives.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="158800" data-end="163780">They help organisms manage the vicissitudes of everyday life.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="164420" data-end="168020">They help them deal with problems which they&#8217;re confronted.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="168720" data-end="177700"><a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/mental-health-mythbusters-breaking-stigma/">Emotions</a> help them learn from experience what&#8217;s beneficial, what&#8217;s potentially harmful, what&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="177700" data-end="178840">helpful and so on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="179140" data-end="183680">This explanation is based around one of the most prominent theories at the moment, called</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="183680" data-end="184600">appraisal theory.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="184940" data-end="189720">It&#8217;s the idea that we&#8217;re constantly assessing the world around us and responding to it through</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="189720" data-end="190560">our emotions.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="191100" data-end="196700">Ortoni believes that emotions are our reactions to the psychologically important situations</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="196700" data-end="197480">we encounter.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="198040" data-end="200820">They can be real world things or they can be memories.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="201460" data-end="204360">They can be generated externally or internally.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="204360" data-end="209020">But they&#8217;re things that we&#8217;re processing that are important to us.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="209820" data-end="214820">Put another way, if you don&#8217;t care about something, you&#8217;re not going to have an emotional reaction</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="214820" data-end="215380">to it.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="215580" data-end="222300">Emotion presupposes caring in the sense of, this matters to me, you know, this impinges</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="222300" data-end="229180">on my goals and my interests and my concerns in some way, or at least I see it as so impinging.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="229180" data-end="234200">While appraisal theory is well accepted by scientists, there are still some critics.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="234600" data-end="238800">A popular debate is whether all humans have a main set of basic emotions.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="239520" data-end="245220">Many researchers say yes, but there&#8217;s still been no consensus on what these emotions are.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="245580" data-end="249880">When you say to them, well, what are your criteria for something being a basic emotion?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="250740" data-end="257360">They&#8217;ll either say, well, it&#8217;s obvious, anger, fear, happiness, sadness, and maybe a couple</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="257360" data-end="257860">of others.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="258399" data-end="264460">But again, when you look at the field, the number of proposed basic emotions amongst</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="264460" data-end="269960">basic emotion theorists ranges from about two to 30 or more.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="271100" data-end="277280">So again, they kind of, in one sense, they don&#8217;t agree as to what they&#8217;re talking about.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="277440" data-end="280160">My claim is they don&#8217;t even know what they&#8217;re talking about.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="280320" data-end="283120">The debate even hits on seemingly simple feelings.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="283360" data-end="288580">For example, some scientists believe hunger and thirst are emotions, while others like</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="288580" data-end="291800">Ortoni think that they&#8217;re completely separate sensations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="292380" data-end="300200">I had a long argument, oh, probably 30 years ago with a Nobel laureate who insisted that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="300200" data-end="301560">hunger was an emotion.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="302500" data-end="304180">So what are you going to do?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="304340" data-end="308740">I mean, who&#8217;s going to be the arbiter of a disagreement like that?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="308840" data-end="310080">I mean, I was astounded.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="310080" data-end="312560">I thought, my God, this guy&#8217;s got a Nobel Prize.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="313520" data-end="317320">And from my perspective, he didn&#8217;t know what he was talking about.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="317840" data-end="321380">And from his perspective, I didn&#8217;t know what I was talking about.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322020" data-end="327160">And I mean, I don&#8217;t have any more entitlement to say I&#8217;m right than he does to say that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="327160" data-end="327760">he&#8217;s right.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="328460" data-end="335680">So that&#8217;s just an example of what I mean when I say, you know, it&#8217;s a field that is characterized</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="335680" data-end="340240">as much by sense of opinions than by actual facts.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="340660" data-end="345620">And even if Ortoni&#8217;s colleagues continue this battle over basic emotions, he says it doesn&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="345620" data-end="350640">really matter because it won&#8217;t help us advance our understanding of emotions, what they do,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350960" data-end="353520">how they help us, or why we even have them.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="354000" data-end="358140">But with appraisal theory, Ortoni argues a potential answer to those questions.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="358700" data-end="363540">He believes our emotions are a direct and instant response to our perception of the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="363540" data-end="365960">world around us, rather than the reality.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="366440" data-end="370640">With that being said, can we change how our minds automatically respond?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="371180" data-end="372960">Ortoni doesn&#8217;t seem to think so.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="373360" data-end="378580">He believes we&#8217;re all born with our own unique emotional baseline, just like how we all differ</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="378580" data-end="381540">in height, our emotional capacity does too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="382040" data-end="386760">Clearly, to some extent, one can learn just by using tricks like, you know, count to 10</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="386760" data-end="387800">before you react.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="388400" data-end="392720">But they&#8217;re tricks and those are tricks to overcome a natural response.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="392720" data-end="398120">I mean, you&#8217;ve probably encountered people that we call sort of flat affect people, people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="398120" data-end="401900">where they never seem to react to anything, either positively or negatively.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="402760" data-end="407660">Okay, then there are other people that the slightest little thing sets them off.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="407820" data-end="413340">I mean, walking cases of extreme emotional people, doesn&#8217;t matter whether it&#8217;s positive</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="413340" data-end="416980">or negative, their reactions always seem to be excessive and intense.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="417500" data-end="419440">I think these are just individual differences.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="419440" data-end="423960">There probably is just something one can do to some degree, but still you&#8217;re trying to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="423960" data-end="427920">overcome these natural innate personality characteristics.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="428780" data-end="431220">Again, this is opinion, not fact.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="431620" data-end="433700">An opinion that Nadine Leavitt challenges.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="434340" data-end="439240">She&#8217;s the author of children&#8217;s books and social emotional learning curriculums called My Mama</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="439240" data-end="441260">Says Inside Me Lives a Village.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="441700" data-end="446640">Her program teaches kids how to understand and regulate their emotions in order to foster</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="446640" data-end="448040">their emotional intelligence.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="448640" data-end="450380">Emotional intelligence, I think, comes in three levels.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="450520" data-end="454140">The first level is, can you identify emotions in yourself and other people?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="454940" data-end="456540">And that&#8217;s sort of the basics.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="456780" data-end="460720">The second level is, can you separate out your emotional responses from your thought</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="460720" data-end="461640">patterns and behavior?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="462120" data-end="465660">So I don&#8217;t think you can control your emotional responses.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="465800" data-end="469540">So you&#8217;re going to feel angry or happy or any of those kinds of emotions.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="470040" data-end="473980">But you can control the way you think about them and the way you behave.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="474300" data-end="479540">For example, Leavitt says it&#8217;s okay to feel angry, but it&#8217;s not okay to punch someone as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="479540" data-end="480140">a response.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="480720" data-end="485080">She believes the third level of emotional intelligence is being able to recognize all</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="485080" data-end="490220">of your feelings at any given time and then understand what they&#8217;re trying to tell you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="490740" data-end="496160">Ortoni says this final skill will allow you to respond more rationally in daily situations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="496740" data-end="501360">And though Ortoni thinks a person&#8217;s natural emotional intelligence cannot drastically</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="501360" data-end="506100">change, Leavitt believes it&#8217;s something that not only can be taught, but becomes more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="506100" data-end="507200">natural over time.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="507660" data-end="510480">The more that you practice it, it&#8217;s just a habit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="510820" data-end="512880">It&#8217;s just a skill like anything else that you learn.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="513220" data-end="517720">There&#8217;s a literacy piece to it, obviously being able to understand how emotions feel,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="517880" data-end="521620">understand how emotions look in ourselves and other people.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="521659" data-end="523400">And that&#8217;s just an awareness, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="523460" data-end="527420">The more we can start to point that out, the better the habits become.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="527900" data-end="532120">Leavitt says the feeling of different emotions can change depending on our situation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="532780" data-end="537500">Feeling happy when you&#8217;re about to ride a roller coaster is usually coupled with nervousness</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="537500" data-end="538220">and excitement.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="538940" data-end="542600">However, that happiness looks different when you&#8217;re on the couch with a bowl of popcorn</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="542600" data-end="544540">watching your favorite movie.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="544940" data-end="550000">As Leavitt researched these variations, she realized emotional intelligence was more important</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="550000" data-end="550740">than she thought.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="550740" data-end="557920">I realized that emotional processing is such a huge foundational skill for success in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="557920" data-end="563660">anything from academic achievement, professional achievement, to relationship building, to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="563660" data-end="567660">responsible decision making, self-awareness, social awareness, all of it.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="567880" data-end="570440">But what happens when you don&#8217;t process your emotions?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="571080" data-end="575560">Many of us know the feeling of ignoring certain sensations in the hopes that they&#8217;ll magically</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="575560" data-end="576200">disappear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="576900" data-end="581000">Unfortunately, Leavitt has firsthand experience of why that doesn&#8217;t work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="581440" data-end="585840">She was in law school about to take her bar exam when a family crisis hit.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="586240" data-end="590460">My mom was super sick and sort of in and out of hospital for a good part of a year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="591120" data-end="596340">And at one point, it looked like, you know, it was going to go south and that she was</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="596340" data-end="597600">going to probably not make it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="598380" data-end="601360">And at the time, I was sort of not going to process those emotions.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="601540" data-end="604900">I kept thinking to myself, I have to soldier on, have to be strong.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604900" data-end="605860">I&#8217;m not going to cry.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="606360" data-end="609940">And the reason for that was just I was scared that I would break down and not be able to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="609940" data-end="611180">do any of my bar exam.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="611360" data-end="612640">I wouldn&#8217;t be able to focus on things.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="613040" data-end="617920">And so I just sort of ignored it and repressed it and then ended up with 17 stomach ulcers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="618560" data-end="622620">Leavitt says she&#8217;s the poster child of what can happen when you refuse to process your</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="622620" data-end="627100">emotions.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="622620" data-end="627100">Her curriculum teaches kids to think of their feelings like messengers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="627640" data-end="629440">These messengers take their job seriously.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="629760" data-end="633540">So if they can&#8217;t get your attention the usual way, they&#8217;ll adjust their delivering</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="633540" data-end="634120">strategy.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="634120" data-end="638900">So you&#8217;re going to start saying things like, maybe I&#8217;ll get louder or bigger somehow or</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="638900" data-end="641120">make bigger movements if they&#8217;ll notice me.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="641560" data-end="644880">Or maybe I&#8217;m going to call a few more of my friends to get their attention.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="645380" data-end="649940">And maybe I&#8217;ll just go really quiet and sneak up on them and suddenly explode in their</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="649940" data-end="651360">face and then they have to pay attention.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="651980" data-end="654160">All in the name of getting our attention.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="654860" data-end="659980">Leavitt says that we need to take time to process each emotion without distraction, even</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="659980" data-end="661240">if it&#8217;s just for a minute.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="661240" data-end="665940">Science has proven that even with billions of neurons, we can&#8217;t multitask.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="666300" data-end="670780">So thinking that we can handle multiple emotions at once can lead to many more problems.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="670940" data-end="677000">The concept that emotions can hijack us is exactly that, that these big, big emotions</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="677000" data-end="680180">that come into the hippocampus of our brain and they&#8217;re trying to be processed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="681180" data-end="685320">And they literally, that&#8217;s when overwhelm and things like that, they shut out all</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="685320" data-end="689260">ability for anyone to be able to come out of the waiting room and into the hippocampus.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="689260" data-end="693840">And so I don&#8217;t know if anyone&#8217;s ever, you know, if you&#8217;ve ever felt grief or overwhelm</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="693840" data-end="699200">and things like that, but you can read the same sentence 30 times and nothing will come</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="699200" data-end="699440">in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="699520" data-end="704440">Which is why Leavitt says emotional awareness is critical for developing high emotional</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="704440" data-end="705220">intelligence.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="705720" data-end="709800">She admits that she can get drawn into checking things off a list and going through the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="709800" data-end="714540">motions of life, but says the problem with living that way is that it doesn&#8217;t allow us</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="714540" data-end="716200">to truly be aware of our senses.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="716700" data-end="720660">While there&#8217;s still conflicting research surrounding emotions, that doesn&#8217;t mean that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="720660" data-end="721740">humans are powerless.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="722380" data-end="726580">You can still learn how to regulate your emotions and better control how you respond to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="726580" data-end="727680">any given situation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="728480" data-end="732780">To help in this journey, Leavitt offers a free quiz for you to check in with your own</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="732780" data-end="736620">feelings on her website, emotionwonderland.com.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="737120" data-end="741360">And for more information about Ortoni&#8217;s research, the second edition of his book, The</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="741360" data-end="743940">Cognitive Structure of Emotions, is available now.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="744400" data-end="747680">It&#8217;s co-authored by Gerald Klor and Alan Collins.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="748240" data-end="752580">You can find more information about Nadine Leavitt, Andrew Ortoni, and all of our guests</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="752580" data-end="755320">on our website, radiohealthjournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="755720" data-end="758380">This segment originally aired in September 2022.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="759180" data-end="760940">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="761100" data-end="763380">Our executive producer is Amira Zaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="763860" data-end="764800">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="775100" data-end="780160">Coming up, why being skinny without muscle may be just as harmful to your health as being</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780160" data-end="782760">overweight.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780160" data-end="782760">When a Radio Health Journal returns.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="786890" data-end="788350">That smells good, Ma.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="788670" data-end="790590">What you making? Just a little something.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="790850" data-end="793810">Collard greens, cornbread, fried chicken and peach cobbler.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="794130" data-end="794850">Some leftovers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="796090" data-end="797050">Some leftovers.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="798050" data-end="801890">Listen, I&#8217;ve been meaning to talk to you about some new <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/long-covid-and-post-viral-health/">COVID</a> information I saw online.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="802070" data-end="804190">See, because you&#8217;re always on that phone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="804470" data-end="805250">I&#8217;m serious.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="805870" data-end="809370">I read that three out of four adults in the United States have a high risk factor for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="809370" data-end="810390">severe COVID-19.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="811030" data-end="815450">And black folks like us with certain conditions like diabetes, heart disease, mental health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="815450" data-end="819070">conditions or being 50 and older like you are at high risk.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="819170" data-end="820850">Boy, you sound like a commercial.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="821010" data-end="824470">I&#8217;m just saying. I know you love your ginger teas and essential oils.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="824930" data-end="828590">But remember, there are treatment options for COVID-19 if you ever get it again.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="829070" data-end="833810">I promise if I get sick again, I&#8217;ll call my doctor to ask about my options.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="834190" data-end="835790">I love you. I love you, too.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="836050" data-end="837170">I&#8217;m glad we had this talk.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="837350" data-end="839110">Me, too. Now get out of my kitchen.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="841270" data-end="843470">Visit wetalkwerise.com to learn more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="843710" data-end="844790">Brought to you by Pfizer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="852490" data-end="857230">Research estimates that one third of Americans grow up without ever being taught healthy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="857230" data-end="862210">eating habits.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="857230" data-end="862210">Even those who report they understand the basics of nutrition struggle with</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="862210" data-end="867230">foundational aspects of diet, like understanding labels and tracking nutrients such as carbs</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="867230" data-end="872490">and fiber. Hunter Stoller says he never considered what was healthy growing up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="872710" data-end="874730">His diet was simply whatever was available.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="875140" data-end="878690">And I would have cereal at two in the morning because I just wouldn&#8217;t sleep.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="878970" data-end="883190">And it would be three servings of these sugary cereals that are bombs of sugar.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="883430" data-end="886050">And I wouldn&#8217;t even think anything of it.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="886310" data-end="889050">And I didn&#8217;t know anything about labels.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889150" data-end="891550">I didn&#8217;t know what ingredients I should be looking for and avoiding.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="891790" data-end="898490">And I was 50 pounds overweight until my sophomore year of college, which was five or six</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="898490" data-end="905290">years ago.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="898490" data-end="905290">And that&#8217;s when I really had my turning point and my completely 180 relationship</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="905290" data-end="910090">with food. I went from not caring about food, always feeling sluggish, thinking that my</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="910090" data-end="914890">acne was just, you know, a result of me living and not that anything I was doing was a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="914890" data-end="915830">consequence of it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="915890" data-end="919370">Many people first think of how weight gain will affect their aesthetics.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="919810" data-end="924510">But as Stoller mentioned, how you look isn&#8217;t anywhere near the biggest worry when putting on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="924510" data-end="929850">weight. Dr. Christopher Good is a spine surgeon and CEO of the Virginia Spine Institute.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="930510" data-end="935030">He says that extra fat, specifically around the midsection of the body, increases the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="935030" data-end="939930">stress on your spine, bones and joints, while also pulling your body&#8217;s center of gravity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="939930" data-end="945870">forward.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="939930" data-end="945870">As we lean forward with the extra weight, that does a number of particularly bad</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="945870" data-end="952090">things. Your muscles function best when you&#8217;re aligned properly, meaning when you sit or</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="952090" data-end="954550">stand, your ears should be right above your ankles.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="955250" data-end="960150">And when you have extra gravity pulling the weight forward, that puts more stress on the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="960150" data-end="963810">muscles in your back.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="960150" data-end="963810">They&#8217;re essentially working overtime to hold you upright.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="964010" data-end="965810">And those muscles, they fatigue.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="966030" data-end="967010">They have a lot of trouble.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="967590" data-end="969850">The discs are the cushions in your spine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="970090" data-end="975450">And when you carry extra weight around, it compresses those discs in the joints of your</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="975450" data-end="980870">spine, which not only can increase pain from the pressure, but the more we carry around</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="980870" data-end="983690">over time, the faster those things may wear out.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="983790" data-end="989450">And so, you know, a small difference over a long period of time can have a huge impact.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="989910" data-end="994470">This compression also impacts other joints like our hips and knees, which can cause major</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="994470" data-end="999110">disabilities. And though many people may think this effect mainly happens with major</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="999110" data-end="1003590">changes in weight, Good says that even a small amount of weight gain can increase the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1003590" data-end="1004370">stress on the body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1004850" data-end="1009630">There&#8217;s kind of this rule of general rule of thumb out there that they say one pound of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1009630" data-end="1013050">body weight is like four pounds of stress on your spine.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1013410" data-end="1014490">Some people say five.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1014710" data-end="1015750">I think I like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1015830" data-end="1017310">Is it kind of a general rule of thumb?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1017730" data-end="1020430">The point is it&#8217;s not a one to one relationship.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1020550" data-end="1028470">And why that&#8217;s important is even a relatively small weight gain or loss can make a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1028470" data-end="1029690">pretty big difference for you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1029770" data-end="1033650">And that&#8217;s nice because it can be a little daunting to think, well, I need to lose 50</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1033650" data-end="1035109">pounds. That&#8217;s scary.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1035109" data-end="1040970">But if you think, well, losing 10 pounds will take 40 pounds of pressure off my back, I</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1040970" data-end="1044369">can make a difference with a relatively achievable goal.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1044510" data-end="1049170">So while the bad news is that a few extra pounds can have a detrimental effect on our</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1049170" data-end="1053410">body, losing that same small amount of weight can put us right back on the healthy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1053410" data-end="1058390">track. Still, it can be hard to notice an extra five pounds, especially around the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1058390" data-end="1063590">holidays.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1058390" data-end="1063590">And it&#8217;s not that a few pounds will ruin your health, but Good says it&#8217;s the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1063590" data-end="1068190">compounding effects of continually gaining a few extra pounds every year that will</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1068190" data-end="1069450">ultimately cause problems.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1069830" data-end="1075650">Ten pounds of weight is not necessarily a horrible problem for someone, but I tend to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1075650" data-end="1080350">tell especially a lot of men I see, you know, guys tend to gain 10 pounds every 10</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1080350" data-end="1084930">years, right? Like so somebody who is ultra fit in their 20s, if you think about that,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1084950" data-end="1088690">could be extremely disabled in their 60s and 70s.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1088690" data-end="1093790">And we have to work harder and harder with each passing decade to try and counteract</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1093790" data-end="1098090">that if we specifically want to feel good as we age, which we all do want that.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1098250" data-end="1099310">But it&#8217;s a lot of hard work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1099670" data-end="1104710">Certain factors like muscle loss, hormonal changes and a slowing metabolism all make</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1104710" data-end="1109050">weight loss harder as we age, which is why Stoller is thankful he got his health on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1109050" data-end="1110210">track during college.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1110430" data-end="1115610">After trying and failing to lose weight by following all of the fad diets, Stoller says</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1115610" data-end="1120030">Weight Watchers, a weight management program, helped him create lasting change.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1120510" data-end="1124270">The program taught him the foundational parts of a healthy diet he&#8217;d been missing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1124750" data-end="1126510">And that taught me how to build a balanced plate.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1126850" data-end="1131730">And it really motivated me because it taught me that food is fuel and you don&#8217;t need to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1131730" data-end="1133050">restrict any food.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1133130" data-end="1135650">You just need to be aware of how much you&#8217;re having of certain foods.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1136090" data-end="1139150">And it fully changed my relationship with alcohol, the gym.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1139230" data-end="1140410">I used to hate going to the gym.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1140830" data-end="1142470">And now here I am.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1142530" data-end="1145390">I&#8217;m working out pretty much every day and people tell me it&#8217;s too much.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1145390" data-end="1147690">But it&#8217;s what I feel the best doing.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1148330" data-end="1151570">And it really is a complete 180 in my entire life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1152010" data-end="1156530">Stoller began growing an online following in college and in his senior year, he</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1156530" data-end="1159970">decided to become a certified health coach so that he could provide accurate</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1159970" data-end="1161330">information to his followers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1162270" data-end="1165870">After now helping hundreds of people with their health journeys, Stoller says one of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1165870" data-end="1169510">the main mistakes people make is diving straight into the deep end.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1169930" data-end="1171090">People skip the basics.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1171210" data-end="1172930">They love majoring in the minors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1172930" data-end="1177690">And what I will say is there&#8217;s a few foundational steps and a framework when you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1177690" data-end="1180910">want to get healthy, whether you&#8217;re starting from step zero or step 50.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1181190" data-end="1183210">And those are prioritize your sleep.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1183290" data-end="1185010">I wear an Oura rink and I love it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1185070" data-end="1186930">I try to get at least seven hours of sleep a night.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1187030" data-end="1188750">It&#8217;s so important for your body to recover.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1188990" data-end="1193350">As well as focusing on a high quality diet made up of protein and fiber.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1193710" data-end="1197790">But both Stoller and Good mention that losing weight isn&#8217;t the only goal.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1198430" data-end="1202190">Building muscle is an important part of this equation so that we&#8217;re not becoming</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1202190" data-end="1203410">frail as we age.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1203850" data-end="1205030">Muscles support our body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1205170" data-end="1207470">Muscles burn more calories than fat.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1207930" data-end="1213050">And so losing weight and going after cardio for that purpose is great.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1213430" data-end="1217730">But we have to have some muscle building exercises in there so that we don&#8217;t get</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217730" data-end="1218450">weak and frail.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1218530" data-end="1222530">If you&#8217;re super duper thin with no muscle mass and you get weak bones and weak</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1222530" data-end="1227530">muscles, that might have as much downside for some people as actually being really</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1227530" data-end="1230470">overweight and getting all the joint problems that comes from that.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230470" data-end="1234870">Lifting weights is often touted as the best way to build muscle and increase</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1234870" data-end="1238070">strength. And while that&#8217;s true, it&#8217;s not the only option.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1238670" data-end="1243090">If that sounds intimidating or boring, there are so many other options that can</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1243090" data-end="1244830">help get you back on a healthy path.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1245230" data-end="1247450">You want to find the workouts that work best for you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1247610" data-end="1250770">And I used to be someone who only goes to the gym and strength trains.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1251090" data-end="1254470">And now I&#8217;ve fallen in love with these high intensity boot camp classes.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1254650" data-end="1255930">And we&#8217;ll see how long that lasts.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1255990" data-end="1257750">And then who knows what the next wave will be.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1257750" data-end="1261710">No matter what you choose, Good says it&#8217;s important that the exercises are</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1261710" data-end="1265730">building up the muscles that protect our spine, which includes the glutes and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1265730" data-end="1266070">core.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1266430" data-end="1268330">And I&#8217;m not talking about having a six pack.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1268450" data-end="1270070">I&#8217;m talking about the deeper muscles.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1270310" data-end="1276630">But doing exercises like planks, Pilates, things that strengthen our midsection</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1276630" data-end="1282130">go a long way to supporting our whole body, but also to slowing down kind of the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1282130" data-end="1283050">rate of degeneration.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1283050" data-end="1288570">Because if the muscles are strong as you use your body, it transmits less bad</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1288570" data-end="1292230">force into the bones and joints of the spine and the discs and things.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1292490" data-end="1297190">So exercise, along with a nutritious diet and plenty of sleep, is the recipe that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1297190" data-end="1299310">will keep you feeling young as you age.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1299850" data-end="1303470">Stoller says it can be really helpful to find inspiration and motivation through</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1303470" data-end="1307710">other people on similar journeys, but stresses that no two people will have the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1307710" data-end="1308530">same trajectory.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1309010" data-end="1313030">There&#8217;s no one size fits all when it comes to nutrition and health as a whole.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1313050" data-end="1315110">Different workouts will work for different people.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1315490" data-end="1318050">Different types of diets will work for different people.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1318170" data-end="1319890">Some people thrive off of vegan diets.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1320050" data-end="1322410">Some people thrive off of mostly meat diets.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1322630" data-end="1325910">And it&#8217;s all about finding what works best for you and not just seeing what</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1325910" data-end="1328510">someone&#8217;s doing online, seeing the way that they&#8217;re eating.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1328650" data-end="1331550">You like the way that they look or how they say they feel.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1331570" data-end="1334470">And you think you have to duplicate exactly what they&#8217;re doing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1334710" data-end="1339550">And by individuality, the idea that everyone&#8217;s preferences and everyone&#8217;s needs</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1339550" data-end="1341070">are different is really important.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1341070" data-end="1345790">And when I work with clients, I&#8217;ve helped over 300 men and women lose weight, feel</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345790" data-end="1348530">healthier or just develop a healthier relationship with food.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1348990" data-end="1352910">I&#8217;ve taught many different ways of eating because there is no one size fits all.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1353330" data-end="1355150">You can find more information about Dr.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1355230" data-end="1358390">Christopher Good, Hunter Stoller and all of our guests on our website,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1358690" data-end="1359990">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1360110" data-end="1362190">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farah.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1362370" data-end="1364270">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1364770" data-end="1365470">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1371100" data-end="1373520">Radio Health Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1375820" data-end="1376700">$5,000.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1377100" data-end="1379560">That&#8217;s the average amount of money people in the U.S.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1379680" data-end="1382260">are now spending on gas in a year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1382480" data-end="1383440">Five grand.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1383620" data-end="1384340">That&#8217;s crazy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1384560" data-end="1388900">If you drive, you have to download Upside, the free app that gives you cash</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1388900" data-end="1390480">back every time you get gas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1390720" data-end="1391240">That&#8217;s right.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1391300" data-end="1395180">You can earn real cash back with Upside just by buying the gas you&#8217;re already</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1395180" data-end="1395600">buying.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1395760" data-end="1398420">You can literally start earning cash back today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1398620" data-end="1402000">I use Upside every time I fill up and I&#8217;ve already made around two, $300.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1402560" data-end="1403880">You&#8217;re putting gas in your car anyway.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1403880" data-end="1405880">Why not get real cash back?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1405980" data-end="1407800">If you like free money, download Upside.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1407900" data-end="1411520">I&#8217;m saving the cash I earn from using Upside to help pay for a vacation later</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1411520" data-end="1412040">this year.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1412140" data-end="1415980">Download the free Upside app now to earn cash back every time you buy gas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416140" data-end="1420320">Use promo code NEW5 to get up to a $5 bonus on your first tank.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1420460" data-end="1424700">You can cash out anytime right to your bank, PayPal, or a gift card for Amazon</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1424700" data-end="1425520">and other brands.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1425680" data-end="1430580">Just download the free Upside app and use promo code NEW5 to get up to a $5 bonus</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1430580" data-end="1431540">on your first tank.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1431660" data-end="1432960">That&#8217;s code NEW5.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1435160" data-end="1440000">Hey, mom, I&#8217;ve been meaning to talk to you about some new COVID information I saw</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1440000" data-end="1440400">online.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1440520" data-end="1441040">Uh-huh.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1441320" data-end="1445120">I read that black folks like us with certain conditions like diabetes, heart</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1445120" data-end="1449420">disease, mental health conditions, or being 50 and older, like you, are at high</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1449420" data-end="1449760">risk.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1449900" data-end="1451420">Boy, you sound like a commercial.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1451700" data-end="1452540">I&#8217;m just saying.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1452900" data-end="1456220">I know you love your ginger teas and essential oils, but remember, there are</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1456220" data-end="1457660">treatment options for COVID-19.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1457980" data-end="1461920">I promise if I get sick again, I&#8217;ll call my doctor to ask about my options.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1462200" data-end="1462940">Visit wetalk.com to learn more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1466000" data-end="1469720">You know, that big bargain detergent jug is 80% water, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1469880" data-end="1471000">It doesn&#8217;t clean as well.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1471320" data-end="1472260">80% water?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1472560" data-end="1475240">I thought I was getting a better deal because it&#8217;s so big.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475560" data-end="1478580">If you want a better clean, Tide Pods are only 12% water.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1478860" data-end="1481380">The rest is pure, concentrated cleaning ingredients.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1481700" data-end="1483280">Oh, let me make an announcement.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484360" data-end="1488220">Attention shoppers, if you want a real deal, try Tide Pods.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1488340" data-end="1490260">Stop paying for watered down detergents.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1490480" data-end="1491080">Pay for clean.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1491380" data-end="1492920">If it&#8217;s got to be clean, it&#8217;s got to be clean.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1493730" data-end="1496000">Water content based on the leading bargain liquid detergent.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1498960" data-end="1500700">Medical Notes this week.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1501280" data-end="1504980">You have a bigger brain than your ancestors, and that&#8217;s good news.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1505560" data-end="1509340">A study published in JAMA Neurology shows that human brain size has been</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1509340" data-end="1512300">steadily increasing in people born after 1930.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513160" data-end="1517060">The average volume is more than 6% greater, and the brain surface</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1517060" data-end="1519900">area has increased by nearly 15%.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1520220" data-end="1524160">The researchers think that these larger brains may reduce the cases of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1524160" data-end="1527320">age-related brain conditions like dementia, since it has more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1527320" data-end="1529740">capacity to adapt to any changes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1530800" data-end="1532480">Why are kids so worried?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1533300" data-end="1537220">Since the pandemic, cases of anxiety have been on the rise in young people.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1537800" data-end="1541140">So how can parents help ease their children&#8217;s anxious feelings?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1541880" data-end="1545840">Alyssa Farley, a professor of psychology at Boston University, says</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1545840" data-end="1548160">the answer may seem counterintuitive.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1548160" data-end="1552780">Instead of letting your child avoid distressing situations, Farley</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1552780" data-end="1557200">advises parents to encourage their child to gradually face their fears.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1557940" data-end="1562140">And finally, how to spend your money for maximum happiness.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1562720" data-end="1565180">Loneliness has been a growing epidemic in America.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1565860" data-end="1568960">Thankfully, research points to one strategy that can help.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1569500" data-end="1573380">Spending money on experiences rather than material items.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1574040" data-end="1577940">This method helps build and foster a social connection that could</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1577940" data-end="1579580">lead to more happiness overall.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1580300" data-end="1583360">The work is published in the journal Behavioral Decision Making.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1584100" data-end="1586080">And that&#8217;s Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1586520" data-end="1588060">I&#8217;m Mayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1588340" data-end="1589180">$5,000.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1589560" data-end="1592040">That&#8217;s the average amount of money people in the U.S.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1592080" data-end="1594740">are now spending on gas in a year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1594940" data-end="1595920">Five grand.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1596080" data-end="1596800">That&#8217;s crazy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1597020" data-end="1601060">If you drive, you have to download Upside, the free app that gives you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1601060" data-end="1602980">cash back every time you get gas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1602980" data-end="1603700">That&#8217;s right.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1603780" data-end="1605720">You can earn real cash back with Upside.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1605980" data-end="1608080">Just by buying the gas you&#8217;re already buying.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1608240" data-end="1610880">You can literally start earning cash back today.</span></span><div class="mt-4"> </div><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1611040" data-end="1614460">I use Upside every time I fill up and I&#8217;ve already made around two, $300.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1615020" data-end="1616360">You&#8217;re putting gas in your car anyway.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1616640" data-end="1618360">Why not get real cash back?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" 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									<p><strong>Major Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li data-start="568" data-end="702"><p data-start="570" data-end="702">America’s body donation industry operates with shockingly little regulation leaving families and donors vulnerable to exploitation</p></li><li data-start="703" data-end="824"><p data-start="705" data-end="824">Ukrainian doctors are using medical apps and peer to peer support from global physicians to save lives during wartime</p></li><li data-start="825" data-end="915"><p data-start="827" data-end="915">Technology is filling deadly healthcare gaps where governments and systems have failed</p></li></ul>								</div>
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									<h2 data-start="1750" data-end="1802">Body Donation and Ukraine Doctors Using Medical Apps</h2><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="2310" data-end="6910">You&#8217;re listening to <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/episode/radio-health-journal-week-of-8-15-2025/">Radio Health Journal</a>, the trusted news source for medicine, science</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="6910" data-end="7750">and technology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="8350" data-end="9770">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="10150" data-end="11810">I&#8217;m Mayan Vasta Betancourt.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="12130" data-end="12930">And I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="13350" data-end="17950">This week, doctors helping doctors in war-torn Ukraine via a medical app that offers clinical</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="17950" data-end="19150">support during a crisis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="19470" data-end="22970">5,000 physicians in Ukraine that are using the app.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="23070" data-end="27950">We also have specialists from all over the world who are giving peer-to-peer review.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="27950" data-end="31750">But first, who&#8217;s making sure our loved ones&#8217; remains are safe?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="32230" data-end="37630">The donor having the autonomy, even if they&#8217;re not there anymore, they don&#8217;t oppose the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="37630" data-end="39610">fact that they&#8217;re being donated is really important.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="40010" data-end="42570">All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="47080" data-end="53060">Have you heard the story that&#8217;s about a guy who lives in a bank that is really close by?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="53300" data-end="57720">The Capital One Cafe is his home, no doubt, where customers bank and get their cash out.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="57880" data-end="60900">There&#8217;s no fees or minimums on checking accounts, so your money stays.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="60900" data-end="64600">Most Capital One Cafes are open all seven days.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="64920" data-end="70480">This magical place, as some people might call it, is where the Capital One bank guy says,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="70600" data-end="72020">what&#8217;s in your wallet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="72360" data-end="73660">That&#8217;s a lovely tale.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="74140" data-end="74520">Terms apply.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="74660" data-end="75920">See CapitalOne.com slash bank for details.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="76080" data-end="76900">Capital One and a member FDIC.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="77280" data-end="81300">At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about going to the bathroom in public, so we decided</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="81300" data-end="82140">to sing about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="82180" data-end="84400">Light a candle, pour some wine.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="84660" data-end="87640">Grab a roll, the soft kind for a little me time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="87720" data-end="89620">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="90160" data-end="92240">Wavy edges for my rear.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="92460" data-end="94880">So let the softness caress your soul.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="95360" data-end="97620">Just relax, you&#8217;re on a roll.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="97940" data-end="98540">Let it rip.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="98900" data-end="100640">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="100700" data-end="103300">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear has the same softness you love.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="103340" data-end="105800">Now with wavy edges that tear better than the leading one-ply brand.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="105960" data-end="107040">Enjoy the go with Charmin.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="117520" data-end="122880">Organ donation is a highly regulated system to protect both the donors and recipients.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="123440" data-end="128600">Federal and state laws protect against exploitation and trafficking while ensuring a fair and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="128600" data-end="129620">ethical process.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="130160" data-end="134260">But what&#8217;s surprising is that this strict oversight doesn&#8217;t really apply to the rest</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="134260" data-end="134820">of the body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="135280" data-end="140060">Each year, thousands of people donate their bodies to science to be used for medical education</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="140060" data-end="141580">or research purposes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="142240" data-end="148000">But aside from a 1968 law, the human body donation market is essentially the Wild West</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="148000" data-end="148720">of science.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="149200" data-end="154160">Joy Balta says this lack of oversight and regulation has led to a dangerous absence</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="154160" data-end="156020">of accountability for this industry.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="156500" data-end="158800">We know nothing actually about what happens.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="159100" data-end="164820">So some of the research that I&#8217;ve done and my PhD students have looked into was asking</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="164820" data-end="168740">body donation programs about kind of what they do, their operations.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="169620" data-end="173960">We&#8217;ve had donation programs that have refused to be part of the survey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="174270" data-end="180980">Some of them said that their even administration advised them not to participate because that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="180980" data-end="187040">would maybe put them at higher risk and being exposed to kind of what&#8217;s happening, what</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="187040" data-end="187540">they&#8217;re doing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="188020" data-end="192260">Balta is a professor of anatomy and founding director of the <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/elementor-3950/">Anatomy</a> Learning Institute</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="192260" data-end="194440">at Point Loma Nazarene University.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="194970" data-end="199780">He says that we shouldn&#8217;t assume all donation centers are operating illegally or unethically.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="199780" data-end="204920">But there&#8217;s a lot of fear of what could be happening due to this lack of oversight, as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="204920" data-end="206020">well as past cases.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="206640" data-end="210520">Over the years, various companies in this industry have been exposed for using bodies</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="210520" data-end="215060">without consent, illegally selling body parts and desecrating the remains.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="215800" data-end="219780">Some notable cases have involved the bodies of loved ones being sold to the Department</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="219780" data-end="224600">of Defense and used without consent in explosion and vehicle crash testing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="224840" data-end="230560">There should be some law to ensure that illegal activities are not happening and stuff happens</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="230560" data-end="231240">all the time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="231500" data-end="235980">There&#8217;s been, I&#8217;m not going to necessarily name kind of cases, but there&#8217;s multiple cases</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="235980" data-end="240220">that are from last year and the year before and the year before that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="240400" data-end="242280">So we&#8217;re not living in history.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="242600" data-end="248360">This is still happening today and it&#8217;s going to continue to happen until we do regulate</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="248360" data-end="249300">the <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/episode/invisible-genius-1-mathematician-who-carried-america-to-space-katherine-johnson/">space</a>.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="249720" data-end="254560">There&#8217;s always going to be some bad actors that are going to abuse the fact that there</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="254560" data-end="257040">is no oversight for their best interest.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="257560" data-end="262300">In an effort to establish some sort of guidelines, the American Association for Anatomy created</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="262300" data-end="266560">a task force to come up with the best practices and recommended standards.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="267180" data-end="272640">It was published in 2024, but Balta, who is a contributor on the project, says the finished</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="272640" data-end="274640">product was years in the making.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="274920" data-end="279780">It took years to be able to establish a committee and then it took years to build those best</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="279780" data-end="280220">practices.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="280760" data-end="282100">It wasn&#8217;t a short process.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="282480" data-end="285940">There were multiple people involved in that document.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="286420" data-end="289220">Each of us came from different backgrounds.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="289860" data-end="292220">Some of us are faculty teaching anatomy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="293020" data-end="295620">Some of us are administrators of body donation programs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="295760" data-end="301120">I was the director of the body donation program and encyclical services at Ohio State University</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="301120" data-end="301720">at the time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="301720" data-end="305880">With so many different perspectives, Balta says it took a while to create a document</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="305880" data-end="311380">that everyone agreed represented a fair and ethical perspective on human body donation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="311860" data-end="316680">The long process also may have stemmed from the fact that there had never been anything</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="316680" data-end="322500">like this published before, meaning that an entire industry profiting off the sale of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322500" data-end="328260">human remains has been operating without official guidelines and continues to function without</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="328260" data-end="329680">any meaningful oversight.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="329680" data-end="333040">That was the first comprehensive best practices document.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="333800" data-end="337920">Unfortunately, there aren&#8217;t even laws around some of those areas.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="338260" data-end="344760">So we are asking people to be ethical and follow best practices, even though there isn&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="344760" data-end="349760">a regulatory body that oversees this and ensures that it&#8217;s being mandated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350000" data-end="355860">We&#8217;re just hoping that people and their leadership would kind of push to use those best practices</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="355860" data-end="360440">to ensure that we&#8217;re advocating for those donors and we&#8217;re treating them in the most</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="360440" data-end="364840">ethical way after they&#8217;ve given their bodies to us, after they&#8217;ve passed.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="365280" data-end="371120">Balta hopes this document informs future legislation, but that dream may be far from coming true.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="371640" data-end="378160">The Uniform Anatomical Gift Act, passed in 1968, is the most universal law we have for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="378160" data-end="378640">donations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="379060" data-end="384860">It mainly dictates who can authorize an anatomical donation and gives guidance on that process.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="384860" data-end="389820">However, it doesn&#8217;t really touch on what the expectations are after a body is donated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="390320" data-end="393280">There&#8217;s kind of some oversight in some states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="393880" data-end="400400">So, for example, there&#8217;s like a board, an anatomical gift board in Florida, that in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="400400" data-end="405720">theory there should be overseeing, but they don&#8217;t have any legal authority to implement</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="405720" data-end="410140">anything.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="405720" data-end="410140">So like if they want to inspect something, they don&#8217;t have the authority to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="410140" data-end="413900">demand that. They don&#8217;t have the authority to enforce something.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="413900" data-end="417220">So there&#8217;s no legal power behind their work.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="417360" data-end="424200">But yeah, different states do have different applications of it and it varies per state,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="424320" data-end="430120">but does not go into the post-donation part when we are working with the donor, when the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="430120" data-end="431480">donor is in the facility.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="431720" data-end="433040">So you have a chain of custody.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="433600" data-end="438720">The donor leaves the mortuary, comes to the facility, and that&#8217;s it when it comes to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="438720" data-end="441320">kind of paperwork until it leaves the facility.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="441880" data-end="446100">There&#8217;s essentially no governing body doing checks on these facilities to make sure that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="446100" data-end="449240">these companies are running their operations safely and ethically.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="449980" data-end="454020">Balta says that most of the cases of illegal activity we know about are because of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="454020" data-end="457520">insider whistleblowers or family members of a donated body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="457880" data-end="460160">That only shows you that there could be more happening.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="460700" data-end="464020">We&#8217;re just waiting for things to kind of come out for us to know about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="464340" data-end="468500">But while this has been the standard of practice in America for decades, Balta says it&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="468500" data-end="470000">much different in other countries.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="470000" data-end="473280">So I trained and taught in Europe.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="473540" data-end="477480">So I studied in Scotland and I taught there and in Ireland.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="477960" data-end="479220">And they have inspectors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="479560" data-end="480920">There&#8217;s an inspector of anatomy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="481220" data-end="486120">Somebody who comes and inspects the facilities, inspects the documentation, has the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="486120" data-end="488300">authority to shut down a body donation program.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="488560" data-end="493560">In the UK, there is the King&#8217;s inspector at the moment of anatomy, and that&#8217;s their</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="493560" data-end="497560">job. There&#8217;s the Human Tissue Act that governs the space.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="497560" data-end="500120">And it&#8217;s well managed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="500440" data-end="504940">You don&#8217;t hear about there aren&#8217;t stories that come out like that over there because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="504940" data-end="509900">there&#8217;s more oversight, because there are people working to ensure that that doesn&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="509900" data-end="515159">happen. Balta says a main hurdle to having those same standards in America is having to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="515159" data-end="517419">get all the states on the same page.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="517919" data-end="519600">I&#8217;m not saying that that&#8217;s a reason not to.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="519679" data-end="521520">What I&#8217;m saying, it just makes it a little bit harder.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="522080" data-end="525160">But also politics is politics.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="525160" data-end="528740">There needs to be a good reason for something to be pushed through the agenda.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="529040" data-end="534660">If it&#8217;s not loud enough, then politicians, I&#8217;m not sure that it&#8217;s going to be going on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="534660" data-end="536960">their agenda, on the priority list of their agenda.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="537340" data-end="538560">And we&#8217;re not even close.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="538800" data-end="543040">We&#8217;re not even kind of having the conversations that hopefully one day we will.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="543160" data-end="545040">We&#8217;re not. We&#8217;re not having that conversation.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="545200" data-end="548560">I think hopefully we&#8217;re able to start that conversation soon.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="549160" data-end="553940">There are a few points Balta thinks need to be at the top of these discussions, one being</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="553940" data-end="555860">how we treat unclaimed bodies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556520" data-end="560320">Earlier this year, Radio Health Journal released a segment revealing the thousands of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="560320" data-end="562900">bodies in America that go unclaimed each year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="563540" data-end="566500">Instead, they&#8217;re left to the state and usually cremated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="567060" data-end="571260">However, most counties are allowed to donate these remains to science without consent</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="571260" data-end="573120">from the deceased or their family.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="573780" data-end="579100">A 2023 paper published in JAMA looking at Texas medical schools found that their use of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="579100" data-end="585360">unclaimed bodies jumped from 64 bodies in 2017 to 446 in 2021.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="586160" data-end="587480">But is that unethical?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="588040" data-end="592400">Since it falls into a gray area for many people, it&#8217;s a topic Balta believes needs more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="592400" data-end="593780">attention and guidance.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="594120" data-end="598740">This body is contributing towards science and benefiting science and advancing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="598740" data-end="604660">medicine. But that&#8217;s not a good enough reason to kind of donate the body or give it</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604660" data-end="608860">away.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604660" data-end="608860">It&#8217;s not even donated, it&#8217;s being given without knowing that this could be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="608860" data-end="612060">somebody who had religious beliefs that could go against that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="612600" data-end="613280">And that&#8217;s not OK.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="613680" data-end="618800">We shouldn&#8217;t be making those decisions for financial reasons, the ethical reasons and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="618800" data-end="621760">considerations of that human body should come first.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="622140" data-end="626600">We can&#8217;t just assume that they&#8217;re OK with it or that because they were unclaimed were</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="626600" data-end="628200">able to benefit from their donation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="628860" data-end="633720">Another priority for Balta is making sure donation programs all have a transparent and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="633720" data-end="635420">standard structure for applications.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="636180" data-end="640020">Consent forms can vary drastically from one institution to the next.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="640540" data-end="644860">Balta says that some completely refuse to disclose how they&#8217;ll use the body once it&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="644860" data-end="650120">donated. Many forms list what types of research could be done to the body, but some</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="650120" data-end="653720">don&#8217;t even give an option to opt out of anything the donor or loved one is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="653720" data-end="654620">uncomfortable with.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="654960" data-end="659020">Yes, it&#8217;s good to know that these are the ways I&#8217;m going to be donating my body to.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="659540" data-end="662320">But can I say I don&#8217;t want to?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="662320" data-end="667360">And I think we might have like a place where they can write comments, but we don&#8217;t give</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="667360" data-end="670780">like a checkmark like yes for this, no for that, yes for that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="671220" data-end="673120">And there are multiple reasons for that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="673220" data-end="675960">But yeah, I think that would be really helpful that people are aware.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="676060" data-end="679220">And in some places, the consent form says it&#8217;s just one sentence.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="679240" data-end="681560">I am donating my body to this donation program.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="681940" data-end="685720">That&#8217;s it doesn&#8217;t go through their rights, doesn&#8217;t go through what&#8217;s going to happen</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="687000" data-end="688820">after disposition of the human remains.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="688820" data-end="693360">Usually forms are multiple pages, but you could have a form that is one sentence.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="693840" data-end="697460">Balta has published research looking through consent forms across the U.S.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="697500" data-end="700600">and notes how drastically these applications can vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="701020" data-end="705960">But if we zoom out and look at the industry as a whole, a larger issue may be the fact</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="705960" data-end="709440">that parts of the human body donation industry are for profit.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="710060" data-end="714960">Balta and the rest of the task force argue in their paper that the most ethical way to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="714960" data-end="719220">be conducting business in this field is to operate under revenue neutrality.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="719840" data-end="724500">While most university programs are nonprofit, there are other companies actively</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="724500" data-end="726660">profiting off the sale of human remains.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="726880" data-end="730640">There are the body donation programs that are staff of a university.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="731200" data-end="735280">There are faculty members, but they don&#8217;t like they&#8217;re not working for themselves.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="735560" data-end="738180">They&#8217;re not trying to make money that they&#8217;re going to benefit from.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="738720" data-end="741520">And hopefully they&#8217;re working towards the revenue neutrality.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="741520" data-end="743600">But that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re trying to push for.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="744100" data-end="747720">The for profit companies don&#8217;t have to think about that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="747860" data-end="749640">They don&#8217;t have to.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="747860" data-end="749640">And some of them are.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="750040" data-end="751480">I don&#8217;t want to kind of lump everybody.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="752040" data-end="753540">Some of them are better than others.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="754120" data-end="757660">Can we say like, oh, we don&#8217;t need those for profit companies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="758220" data-end="762820">We should just rely on body donation programs and like get rid of those.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="763040" data-end="765360">I don&#8217;t know if I could say that, unfortunately.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="766060" data-end="769840">The main hurdle being that universities sometimes need to use these companies to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="769840" data-end="774160">source bodies. Balta says there&#8217;s simply not enough body donation programs at</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="774160" data-end="776100">universities to fill the need.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="776340" data-end="780880">If we had enough body donation programs, we wouldn&#8217;t need to rely on for profit</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780880" data-end="783460">companies.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780880" data-end="783460">And I&#8217;ll give you an example of that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="783660" data-end="788160">This fall, fall 2025, I was not able to request donors</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="788160" data-end="790600">from my local donation programs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="790860" data-end="793040">And that was two weeks before the start of the semester.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="793520" data-end="795540">And I was stuck thinking, what am I going to do?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="795620" data-end="799720">I&#8217;ve written best practices and I don&#8217;t want to go to I don&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="799720" data-end="802620">want to kind of go towards for profit companies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="802700" data-end="804420">And again, some of them are better than others.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="804420" data-end="807680">So there&#8217;s also wisdom in who we work with.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="808300" data-end="812500">But for my own kind of best practice, I would prefer to work with the body donation</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="812500" data-end="817080">program. I communicated with donation programs across the country and I</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="817080" data-end="821900">was willing to have donors come from states that are very far away because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="821900" data-end="824380">I would rather work with donation programs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="824380" data-end="829400">But we don&#8217;t have enough donations happening in donation</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="829400" data-end="833800">programs.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="829400" data-end="833800">Balta says people may choose to donate their body to a company because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="833800" data-end="838160">they cover more costs or are simply the only option someone is aware of.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="838640" data-end="842900">So while Balta&#8217;s ideal world would be that there are no for profit companies in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="842900" data-end="845480">this space, that&#8217;s not realistic right now.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="846120" data-end="849420">You can find more information about Joy Balta and all of our guests on our</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="849420" data-end="851920">website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="851920" data-end="854080">Our writer producer is Kristen Farah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="854400" data-end="856540">Our executive producer is Amira Zaferi.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="856820" data-end="857720">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="863610" data-end="867910">Coming up, the technology that&#8217;s helping trained doctors during war when</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="867910" data-end="869130">RadioHealthJournal returns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="872320" data-end="876060">If you&#8217;ve been diagnosed with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="877680" data-end="881360">This is what it sounds like to be a million miles away.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="883280" data-end="885920">Imagine being a million miles away.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889600" data-end="893740">TRMFYA, Kuselkumab, taken by injection is a prescription medicine for adults</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="893740" data-end="897620">with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis who may benefit from taking injections</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="897620" data-end="899160">or pills or phototherapy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="899640" data-end="902220">With TRMFYA, clearer skin is possible.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="902660" data-end="907700">In clinical trials, at least 70% of patients saw at least 90% clearer skin</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="907700" data-end="908780">at 16 weeks.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="909020" data-end="909780">Results may vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="909980" data-end="913420">TRMFYA is also indicated for adults with active psoriatic arthritis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="913940" data-end="915900">Serious allergic reactions and increased risk of heart disease can be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="915900" data-end="918120">a risk of infections and liver problems may occur.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="918320" data-end="921460">Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="921840" data-end="924740">Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or if you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="924740" data-end="925400">need a vaccine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="925720" data-end="927340">Ask your doctor about TRMFYA.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="927560" data-end="932200">Call 1-800-526-7736 or visit trmfya.com.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="939820" data-end="944240">It&#8217;s been three years since<a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/russias-record-drone-assault-on-ukraine-strikes-kyiv-government-district/"> Russian</a> forces mounted a full scale invasion of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="944240" data-end="944660">Ukraine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="945280" data-end="947780">Today, the fighting there is still in full force.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="947780" data-end="951880">Many citizens have fled the eastern part of the country where the war rages</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="951880" data-end="954160">on or have fled the country altogether.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="955040" data-end="959100">This includes many doctors, which has created a medical crisis for the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="959100" data-end="961040">relatively few doctors that remain.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="961820" data-end="965100">There just aren&#8217;t enough medical specialists left in Ukraine to serve the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="965100" data-end="966140">remaining population.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="966960" data-end="970480">Because of staffing shortages in hospitals and medical centers, patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="970480" data-end="974420">needing specialized care often end up seeing the local pediatrician or a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="974420" data-end="977980">first-year resident who may not know how to address their issues, like a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="977980" data-end="980300">recent heart attack or even an abscessed tooth.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="980620" data-end="983640">We&#8217;re seeing physicians being overwhelmed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="984060" data-end="989600">A lot of physicians have moved from rural areas of Ukraine, so there&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="989600" data-end="991480">definitely a shortage of specialists.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="992480" data-end="998420">And for example, where now we&#8217;re seeing a family physician who has to help</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="998420" data-end="1004980">deliver babies in the basement without any electricity because their town is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1004980" data-end="1008000">surrounded by Russian forces.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1008320" data-end="1013380">So it&#8217;s definitely became very challenging and the resources are scarce</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1013380" data-end="1015400">because the country is at war.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1015800" data-end="1016420">That&#8217;s Dr.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1016480" data-end="1020760">Olga Myhudiak, chief operating officer of Global Medical Knowledge Alliance,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1021020" data-end="1022520">also known as GMKA.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1022940" data-end="1027079">It&#8217;s a nonprofit organization that provides medical training and educational</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1027079" data-end="1029000">webinars for Ukrainian doctors.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1029680" data-end="1033819">MKA was co-founded in 2017 before the war started by Dr.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1033920" data-end="1037940">Nelia Melnichek, an associate surgeon at Brigham and Women&#8217;s Hospital and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1037940" data-end="1040520">assistant professor of surgery at Harvard Medical School.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1041280" data-end="1045420">Seeing what was happening in her beloved country from afar, Melnichek knew she</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1045420" data-end="1047580">had to do something to help her fellow countrymen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1048220" data-end="1052120">That&#8217;s when she heard a story that gave her an idea for a medical app that would</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1052120" data-end="1054680">assist doctors in Ukraine from anywhere in the world.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1054680" data-end="1062080">One of our resident physician was in practicing in a small town and he had a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1062080" data-end="1068360">case with a patient with a tooth abscess and he didn&#8217;t know how to pretty much</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1068360" data-end="1068940">deal with it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1069020" data-end="1073960">So he called his colleague at a bigger hospital in Kiev who guided him through</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1073960" data-end="1076940">the entire procedure via a video call.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1077700" data-end="1082960">And therefore this resident was or junior physician was able to help this</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1082960" data-end="1088580">patient.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1082960" data-end="1088580">And that is how the idea for HealUA app, which provides peer-to-peer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1088580" data-end="1090680">reviews, was created.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1091280" data-end="1095420">With the help of GMKA and a technology company in Ukraine called Impact,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1096100" data-end="1100020">Melnichek created a mobile app called HealUA that provides peer-to-peer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1100020" data-end="1103600">support to medical professionals in Ukraine with other medical professionals</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1103600" data-end="1105400">in the U.S. and around the world.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1105960" data-end="1109900">She knew the tool needed to be a mobile app rather than a computer program so</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1109900" data-end="1112020">that it could be accessed anywhere with a smartphone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1112660" data-end="1116880">Doctors can take a photo of the patient&#8217;s injury or clinical presentation and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1116880" data-end="1118280">submit a case on the spot.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1118920" data-end="1122900">The HealUA app, which can be downloaded for free, was up and running three</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1122900" data-end="1124300">months after the war started.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1124940" data-end="1128780">With this app, isolated Ukrainian physicians can submit a case and get a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1128780" data-end="1131680">second opinion, usually within 24 to 48 hours.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1132060" data-end="1135760">It&#8217;s very hard conditions now in hospitals to work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1136120" data-end="1141940">So it&#8217;s very important when we have someone that could give us any advices and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1141940" data-end="1148120">we really appreciate that we can get this advice very quickly by using HealUA.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1148220" data-end="1155700">Because when we download our cases, we can receive answers very quickly and from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1155700" data-end="1161860">doctors from Ukraine, but also what is very important for us, we have advices</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1161860" data-end="1168820">from doctors from USA and it really helps when, you know, you have doubts what</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1168820" data-end="1174900">to do and especially in a low setting conditions that sometimes we need to work</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1174900" data-end="1182140">through.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1174900" data-end="1182140">So it&#8217;s a wonderful to have opportunity to have a feedback from other</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1182140" data-end="1182660">doctors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1182880" data-end="1187840">That&#8217;s Dr. Olya Kostynchak, an oncology hematologist working in Western Ukraine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1188280" data-end="1192540">She was assigned an unconscious lymphoma patient and didn&#8217;t have the necessary</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1192540" data-end="1194420">experience to provide proper treatment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1194980" data-end="1199200">Luckily, a specialist in Boston was able to provide her with a diagnosis and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1199200" data-end="1201500">treatment protocol through the HealUA app.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1201920" data-end="1208740">He gave the advice with diagnosis steps and what we can do in our setting and also</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1208740" data-end="1210680">how can we manage this patient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1211160" data-end="1217480">And by the way, not only this, but we leave coments about how is this patient</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217480" data-end="1222500">going on now.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217480" data-end="1222500">So it&#8217;s not just for the beginning, but through the whole course of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1222500" data-end="1223660">treatment, this patient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1224080" data-end="1225820">And for me, it&#8217;s just wonderful.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1226320" data-end="1230400">A team at GMKA monitors all submissions to make sure they&#8217;re from verified</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230400" data-end="1231760">physicians on both ends.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1232300" data-end="1235320">They also monitor comments to make sure they&#8217;re medically appropriate.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1236080" data-end="1240500">The founders of GMKA hope to see the app used around the world wherever physician</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1240500" data-end="1244220">and specialist shortages exist, such as in rural India and Africa.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1244880" data-end="1249420">Dr. Daria Kizheb is a Ukrainian physician practicing at a major cancer center in the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1249420" data-end="1252260">United States and offers peer-to-peer review through the app.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1252500" data-end="1256580">She says that while posted cases are complex and that this ability to get a second</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1256580" data-end="1258140">opinion from doctors in the U.S.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1258180" data-end="1262880">is invaluable, she cautions against overstating the role of international expertise.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1263260" data-end="1270660">I would like to not overstate the role of international physicians and expertise in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1270660" data-end="1275580">this, because I think, you know, in Ukraine, there&#8217;s also a good amount of expertise</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1275580" data-end="1277200">where we were not available.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1277320" data-end="1282360">Of course, it&#8217;s very helpful, but I don&#8217;t know that necessarily the patient would die</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1282360" data-end="1284720">in most cases if this was not available.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1285160" data-end="1288780">However, she does think the app helps to expedite Ukrainian patients&#8217; treatments.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1289380" data-end="1294940">One case I can think of is a patient with an advanced form of breast cancer that is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1294940" data-end="1297420">very aggressive, called triple negative breast cancer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1298020" data-end="1304340">And the question was, do we need to do advanced diagnostics for this patient or can we</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1304340" data-end="1305980">just treat them with a targeted drug?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1306420" data-end="1311000">Because the advanced diagnostics, the kind of lumbar puncture and kind of waiting for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1311000" data-end="1312420">the result would have delayed treatment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1312560" data-end="1316320">So I said, you know, in my practice or in our practice, you can just treat with this</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1316320" data-end="1319720">targeted drug. So the patient was able to get treatment faster.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1319920" data-end="1324000">And this is for a condition where, you know, it can progress very quickly and patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1324000" data-end="1329120">can die generally within an average of about three months.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1329600" data-end="1334140">So I think it was useful, my advice for the patient to get treatment sooner.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1334720" data-end="1339040">Majodiak says the greatest challenge in creating the app was translating from Ukrainian to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1339040" data-end="1340200">English and vice versa.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1340680" data-end="1344460">But she says that AI technology provided a quick solve to that problem.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345020" data-end="1349120">You can learn more about the Heal UA app and all of our guests by visiting our website at</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1349120" data-end="1350540">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1351200" data-end="1353240">Our Raider producer this week is Polly Hanson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1353480" data-end="1354960">Our lead producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1355220" data-end="1356940">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1357480" data-end="1358120">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1368900" data-end="1371340">Radio Health Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1375110" data-end="1378930">Protect your home and auto by bundling them with Progressive and you&#8217;ll have a little less</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1378930" data-end="1382470">to worry about.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1378930" data-end="1382470">But we know you&#8217;ll find other things to worry about.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1383030" data-end="1384850">Like that text you just got from your boss.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1394450" data-end="1395610">Yeah, this is bad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1396110" data-end="1399710">Oh, well, at least you protected your home and auto with Progressive, so you don&#8217;t have to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1399710" data-end="1403090">worry about that. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and other insurers not</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1403090" data-end="1403670">available in all states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1408930" data-end="1431000">Downy Rinse fight stubborn odors in just one wash.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1431340" data-end="1433260">When impossible odors get stuck in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1437020" data-end="1438920">That smells good, Ma.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439180" data-end="1439820">What you making?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439820" data-end="1441180">Just a little something.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1441440" data-end="1444380">Collard greens, cornbread, fried chicken and peach cobbler.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1444680" data-end="1445440">Some leftovers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1446660" data-end="1447620">Some leftovers?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1448640" data-end="1452460">Listen, I&#8217;ve been meaning to talk to you about some new COVID information I saw online.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1452600" data-end="1454780">See, because you&#8217;re always on that phone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1455080" data-end="1455840">I&#8217;m serious.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1456460" data-end="1459940">I read that three out of four adults in the United States have a high risk factor for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1459940" data-end="1465000">severe COVID-19 and black folks like us with certain conditions like diabetes, heart</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1465000" data-end="1469660">disease, mental health conditions or being 50 and older, like you, are at high risk.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1469660" data-end="1471480">Boy, you sound like a commercial.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1471580" data-end="1472400">I&#8217;m just saying.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1472800" data-end="1475040">I know you love your ginger teas and essential oils.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475460" data-end="1479140">But remember, there are treatment options for COVID-19 if you ever get it again.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1479640" data-end="1480020">Uh-huh.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480260" data-end="1484300">I promise if I get sick again, I&#8217;ll call my doctor to ask about my options.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484660" data-end="1485520">I love you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1485700" data-end="1486360">I love you, too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1486580" data-end="1487700">I&#8217;m glad we had this talk.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1487920" data-end="1488420">Me, too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1488700" data-end="1489660">Now get out of my kitchen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1491860" data-end="1494040">Visit wetalkwerise.com to learn more.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1494320" data-end="1495380">Brought to you by Pfizer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1498900" data-end="1500600">Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1501120" data-end="1504900">We can diagnose food allergies earlier than ever before.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1505560" data-end="1509740">Since blood tests have high rates of false positives, the current standard for diagnosing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1509740" data-end="1513200">a food allergy is consuming the product in front of a physician.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513980" data-end="1518240">However, a study in the Journal of Clinical Investigation could change this process</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1518240" data-end="1518820">altogether.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1519500" data-end="1524460">Researchers found that measuring water loss from the skin can predict a severe reaction</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1524460" data-end="1525360">to food quicker and more quickly.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1525360" data-end="1527620">This means that food can be consumed earlier and easier than current testing methods.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1528080" data-end="1530240">Yet another reason to eat more produce.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1530880" data-end="1536760">Fruits and vegetables contain compounds called flavonoids, which have anti-cancer, antioxidant,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1536840" data-end="1538520">and anti-inflammatory properties.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1539040" data-end="1544360">Research published in the journal Endocrinology shows how flavonoids may reduce the risk and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1544360" data-end="1546100">severity of endometriosis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1546840" data-end="1550860">Researchers hope this connection will help drug development for the painful condition.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1551530" data-end="1555320">And finally, should grade school classrooms be more active?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1556040" data-end="1560700">Literacy skills are usually taught to young kids while seated at a desk, but this may</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1560700" data-end="1563140">be hindering their ability to absorb the information.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1563760" data-end="1568780">Research in the journal Educational Psychology Review studied 57 first-graders in Denmark.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1569400" data-end="1573480">One group of students learned how to sound out letters at a desk, while the other group</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1573480" data-end="1575940">used their body to act out the shape of the letter.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1576440" data-end="1580420">The kids whose learning involved movement doubled their test scores in spelling and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1580420" data-end="1582960">letter recognition after just four weeks.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1583640" data-end="1585440">And that&#8217;s Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1585880" data-end="1587420">I&#8217;m Mayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1587780" data-end="1590400">A KFC tale in the pursuit of flavor.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1590760" data-end="1592480">The holidays were tricky for the colonel.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1592720" data-end="1595180">He loved people, but he also loved peace and quiet.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1595440" data-end="1601060">So he cooked up KFC&#8217;s $4.99 chicken pot pie, warm, flaky, with savory sauce and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1601060" data-end="1605680">vegetables.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1601060" data-end="1605680">It&#8217;s a tender, chicken-filled excuse to get some time to yourself and step</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1605680" data-end="1607020">away from decking the halls.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1607020" data-end="1608280">Whatever that means.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1608680" data-end="1610800">The colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1611360" data-end="1612600">KFC&#8217;s chicken pot pie.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1612780" data-end="1614720">The best $4.99 you&#8217;ll spend this season.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1614860" data-end="1616640">Prices and participation may vary while supplies last.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1616720" data-end="1617580">Texas Tips and Fees Extra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1617960" data-end="1621940">Progressive has great customer service and it&#8217;s easy to reach us because great and easy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1621940" data-end="1622680">is the way to be.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1622940" data-end="1623540">Like salads.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1623840" data-end="1627540">Great for you and so easy you can put any group of veggies in a bowl and it&#8217;s a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1627740" data-end="1629540">A full carrot with a head of cabbage.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1629880" data-end="1631400">Weird, but still a salad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1631700" data-end="1633180">One radish and a couple of green beans.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1633340" data-end="1634060">Also a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1634380" data-end="1636380">Fourteen blueberries, half an onion and a sunchoke.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1636380" data-end="1638620">Odd, yes, but an odd salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1639460" data-end="1642500">So contact Progressive&#8217;s customer service by phone, app or online.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1642700" data-end="1644940">It&#8217;s great and easy, just like salad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1645400" data-end="1647000">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1650060" data-end="1654280">Thank you for joining us this week and every week as we break down the science stories</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1654280" data-end="1655100">you need to know.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1655500" data-end="1659980">You can find all of our past segments and guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1659980" data-end="1662020">or wherever you listen to podcasts.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1662020" data-end="1666740">Follow us on Instagram, Facebook and X for daily content and tune in next week for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1666740" data-end="1668800">another edition of Radio Health Journal.</span></span></p>								</div>
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		<title>Compounding Pharmacies The Unsung Heroes Of Healthcare</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2025 17:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[Radio Health Journal]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[addiction treatment]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[alcohol absorption]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[alcohol addiction]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[alcohol cravings]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[alcohol cues]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[alcohol disorder]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[alcohol moderation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[alcohol reduction]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[brain response]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[clinical findings]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[delayed intoxication]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[drinking behavior]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[drug side effects]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[gastric emptying]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[GLP-1 benefits]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[GLP-1 drugs]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[GLP-1 therapy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[health science]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[hormone regulation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[medical research]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Ozempic effects]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[pharmacokinetics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[reward system]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[semaglutide research]]></category>
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anywhere.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="38250" data-end="40850">All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="47550" data-end="49390">Mmm, that smells good, Ma.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="49650" data-end="50330">What you making?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="50690" data-end="51670">Just a little something.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="51930" data-end="54890">Collard greens, cornbread, fried chicken and peach cobbler.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="55150" data-end="55950">Some leftovers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="57010" data-end="58130">Some leftovers?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="59110" data-end="62970">Listen, I&#8217;ve been meaning to talk to you about some new COVID information I saw online.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="63150" data-end="65290">See, because you&#8217;re always on that phone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="65670" data-end="66330">I&#8217;m serious.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="67010" data-end="70450">I read that three out of four adults in the United States have a high risk factor for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="70450" data-end="71410">severe COVID-19.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="72090" data-end="76530">And Black folks like us, with certain conditions like diabetes, heart disease, mental health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="76530" data-end="80130">conditions or being 50 and older, like you, are at high risk.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="80230" data-end="81930">Boy, you sound like a commercial.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="82070" data-end="82910">I&#8217;m just saying.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="83290" data-end="87530">I know you love your ginger teas and essential oils, but remember there are treatment options</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="87530" data-end="89650">for COVID-19 if you ever get it again.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="90150" data-end="90530">Uh-huh.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="90790" data-end="94830">I promise if I get sick again, I&#8217;ll call my doctor to ask about my options.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="95250" data-end="96010">I love you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="96190" data-end="96870">I love you too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="97090" data-end="98210">I&#8217;m glad we had this talk.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="98430" data-end="98910">Me too.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="99210" data-end="100150">Now get out of my kitchen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="102350" data-end="104550">Visit wetalkwerise.com to learn more.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="104830" data-end="105890">Brought to you by Pfizer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="114710" data-end="119870">With a majority of Americans taking at least one medication every day, we&#8217;re no strangers</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="119870" data-end="120790">to prescriptions.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="121290" data-end="125170">But what happens when the medication you need isn&#8217;t offered in the right dosage?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="125470" data-end="129169">Or you&#8217;re allergic to a binding ingredient in the FDA-approved drug?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="129729" data-end="132150">That&#8217;s when you call a compounding pharmacist.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="132630" data-end="137290">While FDA-approved products are always the first choice of treatment, these specialists</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="137290" data-end="141670">are able to create a new version of the drug that fits a patient&#8217;s specific needs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="141990" data-end="147370">An instance in which they might not be appropriate is, say, if a patient has a child and can&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="147370" data-end="148190">swallow a tablet.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="148550" data-end="153530">The only approved medication is available in a tablet, so the pharmacist can custom-formulate</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="153530" data-end="155810">it into a liquid version for the child to take.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="156450" data-end="160770">Another instance might be if a patient needs a different dosage form than what&#8217;s commercially</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="160770" data-end="165930">available, or a different route of administration, or they&#8217;re allergic to an excipient, and a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="165930" data-end="167670">lot of animal drugs are compounded.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="168030" data-end="172450">There&#8217;s not that many FDA-approved drugs for animals that can treat the range of animal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="172450" data-end="177250">sizes that exist, so from tiny kittens to giant elephants, compounding pharmacists are</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="177250" data-end="180830">able to formulate medications to treat all of those different species.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="181550" data-end="186230">That&#8217;s Tenille Davis, chief advocacy officer for the Alliance for Pharmacy Compounding.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="186570" data-end="192190">As a compounding <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/the-road-to-understanding-alzheimers-disease/">pharmacist</a> herself for 16 years, Davis says it&#8217;s the avenue for patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="192190" data-end="194170">when there are no options left.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="194690" data-end="198950">That could be due to an allergy, like she mentioned, but compounding pharmacists also</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="198950" data-end="202390">come into play when the FDA-approved drugs simply aren&#8217;t available.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="202750" data-end="207690">When a drug goes on the FDA&#8217;s drug shortage list, a compounding pharmacist can come in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="207690" data-end="212670">and essentially create what&#8217;s called essentially a copy of that formulation to treat a patient.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="213130" data-end="217870">We&#8217;ve seen that a lot in the last couple of years when really popular GLP-1 drugs were</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="217870" data-end="218430">on shortage.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="218690" data-end="223050">A lot of compounding pharmacies were able to fill in that gap for patients.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="223510" data-end="225550">Compounding pharmacists are nothing new.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="225970" data-end="231190">In fact, before there were mass-produced pharmaceuticals, your local pharmacist would be the go-to for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="231190" data-end="232210">any treatment needed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="232750" data-end="236770">A town doctor would say, oh, this patient needs tincture of whatever.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237710" data-end="242130">And the pharmacist would say, OK, I have these bulk ingredients, let me mix up tincture of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="242130" data-end="243490">whatever for this patient.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="244110" data-end="246450">And that&#8217;s essentially compounding at its root.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="247210" data-end="253470">And then kind of as processes became standardized through industrialization and, you know, there&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="253470" data-end="258930">an explosion of different medications available, the medications begin to be produced in mass.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="258930" data-end="262650">And so pharmacists were no longer having to do compounding all the time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="262790" data-end="267130">They were having to dispense previously manufactured pharmaceuticals.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="267230" data-end="272870">That&#8217;s Dr. James Watson, an emergency physician and medical toxologist at Maine Medical Center.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="273330" data-end="278470">He says that this shift in the pharmacist&#8217;s role was amplified even more in the 1930s.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="278910" data-end="282870">A product called Elixir sulfanilamide was made as an antibiotic.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="283350" data-end="287070">And since it was for kids, it had a raspberry flavoring added to it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="287070" data-end="290550">It turns out when you take the raspberry flavoring and you take the sulfanilamide and you put</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="290550" data-end="292690">them together, they don&#8217;t dissolve into a liquid.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="293410" data-end="296990">And so you need a diluent, something that you can mix those two things in so that it&#8217;ll</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="296990" data-end="297490">dissolve.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="298230" data-end="303030">And so they chose this thing called DEG, which turns out is incredibly toxic.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="303870" data-end="307970">People like maybe had the beginning of an understanding that it was toxic at that time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="308030" data-end="312210">But my understanding of the narrative is that it was a genuine mistake and not, you know,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="312210" data-end="315270">just not understanding this is a toxic thing to be mixing the medication in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="315270" data-end="318910">But at that time, there&#8217;s no kind of <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/radio-health-journal-why-your-diet-is-more-toxic-than-the-fda-knows/">FDA</a> oversight of pharmaceuticals.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="319190" data-end="322770">And so they didn&#8217;t have to do any testing, safety testing, animal models, anything like</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322770" data-end="325930">that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322770" data-end="325930">They just kind of mix this batch up and then they distributed it nationally.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="326670" data-end="328490">Just over 100 patients died.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="329030" data-end="333910">It was one of the most impactful mass poisonings of the 20th century, because one year</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="333910" data-end="338490">later, Congress passed the 1938 Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="339010" data-end="343470">At its core, this law requires proof of a drug&#8217;s safety before being released to the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="343470" data-end="347950">public. However, while this gave the FDA oversight of pharmaceutical companies, it</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="347950" data-end="350230">didn&#8217;t include small compounding pharmacies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350710" data-end="355370">That was like a very different type of practice than bulk manufacturing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="355370" data-end="360250">pharmaceuticals.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="355370" data-end="360250">And so there was no kind of realization or insight at that time that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="360250" data-end="364530">the FDA would also need to oversee these people who are doing kind of bespoke one-off</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="364530" data-end="369750">compounding. But then as we move through like the middle into the second half of the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="369750" data-end="375090">20th century, there are a variety of different kind of advancements in medical</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="375090" data-end="379750">practice that led to the need to compound more frequently and in larger quantities.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="380190" data-end="382350">Cardiac surgery is one example of this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="382810" data-end="387290">New medicines were needed to temporarily stop a patient&#8217;s heart during surgery, but</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="387290" data-end="389890">those weren&#8217;t yet being manufactured on a large scale.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="390470" data-end="395110">And so they would look to compounding to put together these specific formularies or TPN,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="395110" data-end="400010">total parenteral nutrition, you know, for people who can&#8217;t take food by mouth and need to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="400010" data-end="401450">get food injected into a vein.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="401830" data-end="404210">So that started to have to be compounded.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="404310" data-end="409550">The idea of people going on long term IV antibiotics, chemotherapeutics, things like</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="409550" data-end="411870">that through the 50s, 60s and 70s.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="411930" data-end="416350">And so all of a sudden, there are more and more people who needed these kind of custom</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="416350" data-end="420490">made or slightly alternative formulations of medications.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="421170" data-end="425410">And so pharmacies started to make things in bulk, right, in batch.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="425830" data-end="429850">But these larger operations soon caught the attention of the FDA.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="430230" data-end="434910">In the 1990s, in 1997, there is the FDA, M.A.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="434970" data-end="440470">or Food Drug Administration Modernization Act, and that essentially said that the FDA</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="440470" data-end="445070">was going to have expanded regulatory role over compounding pharmacies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="445710" data-end="450330">And they were going to take compounding pharmacies that, you know, kind of adhered to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="450330" data-end="454950">certain criteria that just stick to doing bespoke stuff or promise they&#8217;re not going to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="454950" data-end="459930">try to market like a wonder drug to the nation without, you know, any regulatory oversight</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="459930" data-end="464170">processes.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="459930" data-end="464170">As long as pharmacies promise that they weren&#8217;t going to do that, then they</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="464170" data-end="465470">could adhere to lower standards.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="465890" data-end="470710">Watson says these expectations created a gray area that ultimately set the stage for a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="470710" data-end="472370">pivotal moment in 2012.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="473210" data-end="477210">At the time, the New England Compounding Center was registered to make patient specific</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="477210" data-end="482390">prescriptions, but in reality had been shipping drugs in bulk across the nation for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="482390" data-end="485110">more than a decade without any FDA oversight.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="485850" data-end="490030">One of these products was a steroid designed to be injected into the spine to treat pain</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="490030" data-end="495090">and inflammation. And it turned out that methylprednisolone was contaminated with</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="495090" data-end="499570">fungus and it led to an outbreak nationally of fungal meningitis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="499990" data-end="504530">The United States Attorney&#8217;s Office reports that around 800 people were affected and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="504530" data-end="506990">more than 100 patients died as a result.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="507210" data-end="512730">Because of this mercury regulatory space that everyone was operating in, the FDA was</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="512730" data-end="517870">able to do walkthroughs, but they had no real enforcement power, which was handled more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="517870" data-end="519110">by the state boards of pharmacy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="519409" data-end="524810">And so in the trials that came after of New England Compounding Center, it came out that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="524810" data-end="530290">the FDA had actually investigated this facility three times and identified issues with</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="530290" data-end="534650">their sterility, but they weren&#8217;t able to enforce anything or issue any penalties because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="534650" data-end="537050">there was like this contest over their jurisdiction.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="537730" data-end="542330">The public outcry in the wake of this disaster led to the Compounding Quality Act in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="542330" data-end="547250">2013.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="542330" data-end="547250">It basically split compounding pharmacies into the two groups we have today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="547770" data-end="553190">The small, bespoke pharmacies are regulated under Section 503A of the Food, Drug and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="553190" data-end="559190">Cosmetic Act, while the larger, bulk manufacturing facilities operate under Section 503B.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="559190" data-end="564490">Essentially, the smaller 503A are state licensed pharmacies.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="564690" data-end="567670">They&#8217;re primarily regulated by state boards of pharmacy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="567930" data-end="572650">There are FDA rules they follow, but their primary regulators are state boards, where</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="572650" data-end="576330">503B outsourcing facilities are primarily regulated by the FDA.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="577010" data-end="581850">The 503B outsourcing facilities make larger batches, typically of drugs and shortage,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="581970" data-end="586810">that are sent to like hospitals and clinics rather than treating one patient here and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="586810" data-end="589410">there, which is what 503A pharmacies.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="590070" data-end="595330">The difference in oversight mainly stems from expectations that 503A pharmacies are only</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="595330" data-end="599490">creating a medication when a prescription comes in for a specific patient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="599950" data-end="603550">And so they would take that prescription and say, OK, I&#8217;m going to mix this up for this</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="603550" data-end="605530">patient once I receive the prescription.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="606230" data-end="610010">They&#8217;re not allowed to anticipate that the prescription is going to come for that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="610010" data-end="611190">patient and make it in advance.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="611690" data-end="614810">They can&#8217;t anticipate that they&#8217;re going to get a variety of these prescriptions for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="614810" data-end="617810">different patients and make them kind of in bulk.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="618050" data-end="619910">They have to do it kind of one for one.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="620510" data-end="624190">Davis says that the FDA still has a little oversight on the smaller operations.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="624970" data-end="630150">For example, though compounded drugs are not FDA approved, the drug powders used to mix</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="630150" data-end="633770">compounded medications have to come from FDA registered facilities.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="634230" data-end="636390">They have to come with a valid certificate of analysis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="636630" data-end="641710">And most state boards of pharmacy have adopted what&#8217;s called the USP or United States</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="641710" data-end="648150">Pharmacopeia chapters on compounding, which is a standard that&#8217;s set by USP about what</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="648150" data-end="649570">goes into compounded medications.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="649970" data-end="655890">So that legal requirement is set by state boards of pharmacy, not by the FDA to follow</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="655890" data-end="662430">those USP standards, which cover everything from training to cleaning to monitoring to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="662430" data-end="665650">testing, like all of the things that go into creating medication.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="666370" data-end="670710">On the other hand, 503B pharmacies have to adhere to current good manufacturing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="670710" data-end="673370">practices and are inspected by the FDA.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="673970" data-end="678530">Despite this update in regulatory oversight, Watson says it&#8217;s still somewhat of a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="678530" data-end="681450">patchwork system where things can fall through the cracks.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="681930" data-end="687270">People make mistakes, you know, and if you&#8217;re not going to be upheld to the same</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="687270" data-end="690730">regulatory expectations, you know that you&#8217;re not going to get the same level of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="690730" data-end="692930">oversight. Things, standards can slip.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="693030" data-end="697310">I&#8217;m not saying that they do necessarily, but mistakes can happen, you know, and it can</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="697310" data-end="701610">be something as simple as, you know, there&#8217;s a case where somebody was getting acid</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="701610" data-end="707270">blocking medicine compounded for them and it had to be mixed with something called</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="707270" data-end="712110">bicarbonate.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="707270" data-end="712110">And it turns out that bicarbonate and baclofen, which is a heavy sedative,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="712490" data-end="714010">sit next to each other on the shelf.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="714630" data-end="719390">A simple error of grabbing baclofen instead of bicarbonate led to that patient receiving</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="719390" data-end="723450">baclofen, which led to hospitalization and bad clinical outcome.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="723910" data-end="725830">So, you know, that&#8217;s a human error, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="725830" data-end="730850">Humans are expected to make errors and there need to be systems developed to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="730850" data-end="735630">accommodate that and account for the inevitability of human error.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="736210" data-end="739670">Watson compares this expectation to how we view doctors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="740290" data-end="742990">It&#8217;s understood that physicians may make a medical error.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="743490" data-end="747050">So there are systems and safety standards in place to protect patients.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="747510" data-end="752990">In an ideal world, there would be, you know, there would be equivalent regulatory</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="752990" data-end="759110">oversight from the FDA applied to outsourcing facilities and bulk compounders as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="759110" data-end="764150">is applied to, you know, any of the big brand name pharmaceutical companies who are</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="764150" data-end="767390">making pills or IV solutions en masse.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="767610" data-end="772370">I think that&#8217;s kind of the gold standard and we should strive towards that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="772810" data-end="777390">But that&#8217;s a difficult task, especially when the FDA&#8217;s resources are already being</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="777390" data-end="780870">spread thin.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="777390" data-end="780870">Still, that doesn&#8217;t mean we won&#8217;t get there one day.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780870" data-end="785410">Pharmaceutical compounding is a crucial part of health care, and making small</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="785410" data-end="789850">improvements over time will eventually build a system that has the most protection for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="789850" data-end="792950">consumers. I think that compounding is necessary.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="793150" data-end="794390">It&#8217;s absolutely necessary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="794970" data-end="799290">And an incredible number of patients really benefit from having medications compounded</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="799290" data-end="801350">for them. This is a necessary industry.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="801510" data-end="803390">It&#8217;s not going anywhere, nor should it go anywhere.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="803910" data-end="806890">You can find more information about Tennille Davis, Dr.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="806890" data-end="811250">James Watson and all of our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="811730" data-end="813390">Our writer producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="813630" data-end="815790">Our executive producer is Amir Zaveri.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="816150" data-end="817150">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="827900" data-end="832740">Coming up, how Ozempic could help your dry January goals when Radio Health Journal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="832740" data-end="839220">returns. A KFC tale in the pursuit of flavor, the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="839220" data-end="840860">holidays were tricky for the colonel.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="841040" data-end="843520">He loved people, but he also loved peace and quiet.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="843520" data-end="849400">So he cooked up KFC&#8217;s 4.99 chicken pot pie, warm, flaky with savory sauce and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="849400" data-end="854020">vegetables. It&#8217;s a tender chicken filled excuse to get some time to yourself and step</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="854020" data-end="856640">away from decking the halls, whatever that means.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="856960" data-end="859140">The colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="859660" data-end="863060">KFC&#8217;s chicken pot pie, the best 4.99 you&#8217;ll spend this season.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="863300" data-end="865920">Prices and participation may vary while supplies last, taxes, tips and fees extra.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="866100" data-end="869760">At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about going to the bathroom in public, so we</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="869760" data-end="870960">decided to sing about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="870960" data-end="876460">Light a candle, pour some wine, grab a roll, the soft kind for a little me time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="876700" data-end="883160">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear, wavy edges for my rear, so let the softness caress your</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="883160" data-end="886460">soul.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="883160" data-end="886460">Just relax, you&#8217;re on a roll.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="887520" data-end="889460">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889480" data-end="893100">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear has the same softness you love, now with wavy edges that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="893100" data-end="894600">tear better than the leading one-ply brand.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="894780" data-end="895840">Enjoy the go with Charmin.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="903260" data-end="908280">With more than half of Americans reporting that they consume alcohol, drinking is a big</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="908280" data-end="909440">part of American culture.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="910140" data-end="914240">Happy hours dominate corporate get-togethers and sporting events rake in millions of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="914240" data-end="915320">dollars from beer sales.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="915980" data-end="918940">Even light drinkers may still enjoy a glass of wine with dinner.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="919560" data-end="922880">But with such popularity comes a greater risk for misuse.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="923500" data-end="928900">The 2024 National Survey on Drug Use and Health reports that nearly 28 million people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="928900" data-end="932460">ages 12 and older had alcohol use disorder in the past year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="933020" data-end="934300">That&#8217;s one in every 10 people.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="935000" data-end="939320">And yet barely any of them receive treatment, despite the fact that there are multiple FDA</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="939320" data-end="942000">approved medications to reduce alcohol intake.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="942260" data-end="946780">So one of them kind of stops the breakdown of one of those byproducts that makes you feel</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="946780" data-end="948300">ill when you drink alcohol.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="948480" data-end="951780">So that byproduct accumulates and then you drink and you feel bad, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="951880" data-end="956840">Other ones act in the brain, really more on the reward system, trying to reduce the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="956840" data-end="957720">effects of alcohol.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="957720" data-end="962800">That&#8217;s Alex DeFelice-Antonio, an appetitive neuroscientist and associate professor at</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="962800" data-end="966480">the Fralin Biomedical Research Institute at Virginia Tech University.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="966960" data-end="970960">It&#8217;s estimated that only 2 percent of people with alcohol use disorder use these</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="970960" data-end="971540">medications.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="972360" data-end="976600">Experts say that part of the problem is stigma, while the other factor is simply a lack</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="976600" data-end="978040">of knowledge about these options.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="978580" data-end="981980">However, a potential new treatment could change all of this.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="982740" data-end="988060">GLP-1 receptor agonists like Ozempic have never been more popular with people across</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="988060" data-end="990640">the board, from celebrities to your next door neighbor.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="991360" data-end="995040">And though these products are known for their weight loss effects, DeFelice-Antonio says</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="995040" data-end="998940">researchers have noticed a side effect of these medications that could make it a new</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="998940" data-end="1000500">option for alcohol addiction.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1001100" data-end="1005140">Preclinical literature, the rodent literature, has actually been around for a long time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1005280" data-end="1011460">So people were examining Exendin-4, which is similar to Exenatide, one of the very early</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1011460" data-end="1017000">GLP-1 medications, and giving that to rodents and noticing that they were drinking less.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1017400" data-end="1021720">And unlike the current medications used to reduce alcohol intake that only act on one</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1021720" data-end="1026920">system, GLP-1s are showing early signs of working both in the brain and other parts of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1026920" data-end="1027260">the body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1027619" data-end="1031460">We know, or at least in our study, we&#8217;re observing some of these peripheral effects.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1032020" data-end="1036079">We have evidence from other RCTs that there might be central effects in the brain.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1036780" data-end="1040740">And so it&#8217;s possible, you know, we don&#8217;t have enough data to conclude this, but if the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1040740" data-end="1045560">GLP-1 drugs are kind of able to engage both, both the periphery and the central mechanisms,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1046300" data-end="1049240">that might be an effective way to reduce drinking.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1049660" data-end="1052960">Again, this is early research, so there&#8217;s still more studies that need to be done.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1053520" data-end="1057660">In fact, DeFelice-Antonio says there&#8217;s still some debate within the neuroscience field</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1057660" data-end="1060620">about how much a GLP-1 drug can get into the brain.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1061100" data-end="1063020">They definitely have effects in the brain.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1063160" data-end="1066380">Some of their effects of nausea are in the area of postrema.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1066740" data-end="1069500">There&#8217;s other effects of not, for it&#8217;s kind of feeling of fullness.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1069500" data-end="1071520">Also in the brainstem.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1072120" data-end="1077400">But there&#8217;s a little more argument as to how these drugs are having their central effects.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1077780" data-end="1081280">We know that there are GLP-1 receptors expressed throughout the brain,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1081520" data-end="1083920">but how much of the drug is really getting into the brain</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1083920" data-end="1087220">is something that there&#8217;s kind of less really good evidence on.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1087500" data-end="1092060">However, she says recent research shows that semiglutides change the level of activity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1092060" data-end="1095940">in reward-related areas of the brain in response to alcohol cues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1095940" data-end="1100800">And so even though we might not be able to really definitively point to and say,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1100900" data-end="1103040">okay, like it&#8217;s the action of, you know,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1103040" data-end="1106060">the drug is definitely getting to this part of the brain and it&#8217;s acting on this receptor,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1106680" data-end="1108660">what&#8217;s happening, the downstream effects,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1108840" data-end="1111680">whether those are coming from the periphery or from the brain,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1111760" data-end="1113640">are impacting the reward system.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1114020" data-end="1117580">Meaning that it&#8217;s changing how alcohol makes someone feel.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1118340" data-end="1122020">DeFelice-Antonio recently published her own study in Scientific Reports</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1122020" data-end="1125680">on the effects GLP-1 medications have during alcohol consumption.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1125940" data-end="1128960">Her team specifically studied the pharmacokinetics,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1129280" data-end="1131060">which refers to four core processes,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1131760" data-end="1135460">absorption, distribution, metabolism, and excretion of substances.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1135860" data-end="1138520">So the reason we&#8217;re talking about pharmacokinetics there</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1138520" data-end="1143360">is that for potentially addictive drugs, every potentially addictive substance,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1143700" data-end="1147680">part of its abuse liability is how fast it gets to the brain.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1148300" data-end="1151740">And so a really good illustration of this is nicotine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1152160" data-end="1155540">Because nicotine in a cigarette, we know is an addictive substance.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1155940" data-end="1159700">That same amount of nicotine in a transdermal patch</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1159700" data-end="1162480">is a smoking cessation aid, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1162760" data-end="1165880">And so the drug is the same, but the route of administration</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1166420" data-end="1168780">is changing how fast it gets into your body</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1168780" data-end="1170900">and therefore how fast it gets into your brain.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1171420" data-end="1174960">And so when we&#8217;re thinking about a drug&#8217;s abuse liability,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1175100" data-end="1177360">we do have to think about route of administration.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1177920" data-end="1181160">And then if we&#8217;re thinking about things that can alter,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1181280" data-end="1183340">even if we&#8217;re in the same route of administration,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1183340" data-end="1186600">thinking about things that can alter the rewarding effects of a drug,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1186940" data-end="1191640">slowing down how fast it gets to the brain is a way that should be able to do that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1192080" data-end="1195120">20% of the alcohol you drink is absorbed into the bloodstream</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1195120" data-end="1196180">through the stomach lining.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1196500" data-end="1198940">Then the rest is absorbed after it leaves the stomach</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1198940" data-end="1200520">and moves into the small intestine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1201240" data-end="1203960">Once in the bloodstream, it gets to the brain within minutes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1204400" data-end="1208040">But we can slow down how fast alcohol gets to the blood</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1208040" data-end="1210320">by spending more time in the stomach, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1210320" data-end="1212500">Because in the stomach, it&#8217;s not going to be absorbed as well.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1212500" data-end="1215320">You need to empty from the stomach to the upper intestine</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1215320" data-end="1217840">to really get that excellent absorption into the blood.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1218640" data-end="1219920">And so if we change that,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1220040" data-end="1223520">we can change potentially the rewarding effects of the drug</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1223520" data-end="1227300">based on this idea of the faster it getting to the brain,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1227420" data-end="1230160">the kind of more rewarding it is, the higher the abuse liability.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230800" data-end="1232960">Which is where GLP-1s are coming into play.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1233640" data-end="1236180">The hormone regulates blood sugar levels and appetite</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1236180" data-end="1238760">partially by slowing down gastric emptying,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1238760" data-end="1241280">which is the process that transfers food in the stomach</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1241280" data-end="1242480">into the small intestine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1243140" data-end="1244700">For DeFelice Antonio&#8217;s study,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1244920" data-end="1246740">participants were split in two groups.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1247260" data-end="1250180">One where everyone was on a maintenance dose of a GLP-1</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1250180" data-end="1252260">and the other group served as a control.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1252780" data-end="1255100">Both were given a standard serving of alcohol</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1255100" data-end="1257640">to see how fast their breath alcohol concentration</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1257640" data-end="1259000">would get to 0.08%.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1259600" data-end="1262440">We saw a slower rise in the breath alcohol</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1262440" data-end="1265060">and people taking GLP-1 medications</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1265060" data-end="1267240">compared to weight match controls</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1267240" data-end="1269540">for not taking those medications.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1270360" data-end="1273480">The big difference is in that first 20 to 30 minutes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1273580" data-end="1275260">And that&#8217;s that first 20 to 30 minutes,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1275360" data-end="1277780">both in our measurements of blood alcohol</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1277780" data-end="1279880">and in our subjective effects.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1280020" data-end="1281020">And so it&#8217;s not that,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1281180" data-end="1284140">oh, people are getting less alcohol in their blood</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1284140" data-end="1286300">and they&#8217;re saying, oh, I feel just as intoxicated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1286480" data-end="1288240">They also feel less intoxicated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1288420" data-end="1290320">So that kind of is lining up nicely</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1290320" data-end="1293000">as far as their subjective effects,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1293080" data-end="1294820">how they are experiencing the drug</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1294820" data-end="1297060">matches up with their blood alcohol.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1297060" data-end="1297880">But it&#8217;s delayed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1298220" data-end="1300340">And it&#8217;s that really first 20 to 30 minutes</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1300340" data-end="1301160">that&#8217;s really different.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1301320" data-end="1303080">And then the lines start to come together.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1303480" data-end="1304720">The team believes this gap</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1304720" data-end="1307320">is due to the alcohol spending more time in the stomach</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1307320" data-end="1309020">and not being able to be absorbed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1309020" data-end="1310960">into the bloodstream as fast as usual.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1311480" data-end="1314040">But there&#8217;s also an idea that increased nausea</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1314040" data-end="1315040">could play a part</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1315040" data-end="1318280">since that&#8217;s a main side effect of many of these GLP-1s.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1318720" data-end="1320500">However, DeFelice Antonio says</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1320500" data-end="1322700">they didn&#8217;t find any differences in nausea</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1322700" data-end="1323780">between the two groups.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1324320" data-end="1326380">Still, she says it could just be the nature</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1326380" data-end="1327880">of who was participating.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1328300" data-end="1330020">We were recruiting people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1330020" data-end="1332320">who had been on GLP-1 medications</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1332320" data-end="1334300">and had been on their maintenance dose, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1334360" data-end="1336360">And people who feel a lot of nausea</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1336360" data-end="1337680">from the GLP-1 medications,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1338000" data-end="1339940">they don&#8217;t make it to the maintenance dose, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1339980" data-end="1341560">They often stop taking the drug.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1342240" data-end="1343900">And so it could be really different, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1343920" data-end="1346100">If we captured some of those people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1346100" data-end="1348020">who are maybe kind of stepping up</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1348020" data-end="1349280">to their maintenance dose.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1349760" data-end="1352680">The effects that we saw in our particular,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1353120" data-end="1354320">this study in person,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1354320" data-end="1355680">we also had people rate</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1355680" data-end="1357260">the kind of aversive effects of alcohol,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1357480" data-end="1359040">like, are you feeling bad from the alcohol?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1359300" data-end="1360700">And we didn&#8217;t see any differences.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1361060" data-end="1362280">We mainly saw differences</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1362280" data-end="1365120">in the subjective experience of being drunk.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1365640" data-end="1367800">Though this research is still in the early stages,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1368020" data-end="1370220">it&#8217;s an exciting avenue for addiction medicine.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1370840" data-end="1371920">You can find more information</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1371920" data-end="1373520">about Alex DeFelice Antonio</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1373520" data-end="1375080">and all of our guests on our website,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1375300" data-end="1376620">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1377140" data-end="1378780">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1379040" data-end="1380860">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1381220" data-end="1381900">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1388800" data-end="1391460">RadioHealth Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1394420" data-end="1396220">If you&#8217;ve been diagnosed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1396220" data-end="1398660">with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1400300" data-end="1402240">this is what it sounds like</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1402240" data-end="1403940">to be a million miles away.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1405860" data-end="1408540">Imagine being a million miles away.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1412060" data-end="1414480">Trimphaya puselkumab, taken by injection,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1414700" data-end="1415720">is a prescription medicine</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1415720" data-end="1418300">for adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1418300" data-end="1420220">who may benefit from taking injections</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1420220" data-end="1421780">or pills or phototherapy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1422260" data-end="1424860">With Trimphaya, clearer skin is possible.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1425240" data-end="1427840">In clinical trials, at least 70% of patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1427840" data-end="1431400">saw at least 90% clearer skin at 16 weeks.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1431580" data-end="1432380">Results may vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1432580" data-end="1434520">Trimphaya is also indicated for adults</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1434520" data-end="1436120">with active psoriatic arthritis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1436540" data-end="1437800">Serious allergic reactions</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1437800" data-end="1439300">and increased risk of infections</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439300" data-end="1440720">and liver problems may occur.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1440900" data-end="1442620">Before treatment, your doctor should check you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1442620" data-end="1444060">for infections and tuberculosis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1444380" data-end="1445900">Tell your doctor if you have an infection,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1446140" data-end="1448020">flu-like symptoms, or if you need a vaccine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1448020" data-end="1449940">Ask your doctor about Trimphaya.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1450160" data-end="1454800">Call 1-800-526-7736 or visit trimphaya.com.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1455240" data-end="1456400">When you switch to progressive,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1456600" data-end="1458180">you could save bundling your home in auto.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1458380" data-end="1459360">Then you could put that money</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1459360" data-end="1460740">towards some of the surprisingly</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1460740" data-end="1462260">more expensive things in life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1463440" data-end="1465360">Attention passengers, we&#8217;ve reached 10,000 feet</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1465360" data-end="1466840">and internet is now available for purchase.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1467040" data-end="1468380">I just paid hundreds for this flight</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1468380" data-end="1469820">and you can&#8217;t even throw in internet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1470200" data-end="1471560">I&#8217;ll just take the free pretzels.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1471820" data-end="1473580">Sorry, but I do have snack boxes for sale.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1473760" data-end="1474500">I&#8217;m just gonna sleep.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1474680" data-end="1475960">In that case, we are selling pillows</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475960" data-end="1476700">and blankets as well.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1477120" data-end="1477700">I&#8217;ll just breathe.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1477700" data-end="1478720">That&#8217;s free, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1479200" data-end="1480180">Life costs a lot.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480360" data-end="1481960">So bundle and you could save with progressive.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1482320" data-end="1483440">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1483480" data-end="1484220">affiliates and other insurers</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484220" data-end="1485020">not available in all states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1507700" data-end="1509500">Downy Rinse fights stubborn odors</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1509500" data-end="1510780">in just one wash.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1511040" data-end="1513020">When impossible odors get stuck in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1518180" data-end="1519860">Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1520140" data-end="1522360">Will we ever truly get rid</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1522360" data-end="1523280">of forever chemicals?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1523920" data-end="1525320">They&#8217;re hard to remove and destroy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1525320" data-end="1526420">once they&#8217;re in the environment</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1526420" data-end="1528380">and our current removal technology</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1528380" data-end="1529720">is slow and inefficient.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1530440" data-end="1532140">Thankfully, a new innovation</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1532140" data-end="1534080">published in Advanced Materials</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1534080" data-end="1536500">removes large amounts of forever chemicals</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1536500" data-end="1538080">from water within minutes,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1538440" data-end="1540020">about 100 times faster</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1540020" data-end="1541180">than commercial filters.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1542100" data-end="1543920">Your smartwatch is good for more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1543920" data-end="1545240">than just counting steps.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1545660" data-end="1547700">A new study published in Plus One</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1547700" data-end="1549740">examined how effective this technology</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1549740" data-end="1551620">is at alerting medical professionals</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1551620" data-end="1553760">to veterans experiencing PTSD.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1554500" data-end="1556780">Though this was only a preliminary study,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1557100" data-end="1558140">researchers are happy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1558140" data-end="1559300">with the veterans&#8217; willingness</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1559300" data-end="1560800">to participate and believe</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1560800" data-end="1562040">it could be a major step</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1562040" data-end="1563780">towards bettering their mental health.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1564420" data-end="1565080">And finally,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1565080" data-end="1567900">the truth on how to get better sleep.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1568440" data-end="1570700">The CDC reports that one in three adults</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1570700" data-end="1572680">don&#8217;t get the recommended amount of sleep,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1573000" data-end="1574760">which can lead to worse physical,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1575020" data-end="1576440">mental, and mood outcomes.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1577040" data-end="1578360">Experts say it&#8217;s important</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1578360" data-end="1579840">to leave all your screens</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1579840" data-end="1580700">out of the bedroom</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1580700" data-end="1582800">and ditch alcohol or caffeine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1583500" data-end="1585280">And that&#8217;s Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1585660" data-end="1587260">I&#8217;m Mayan Vos, Tibetan Court.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1587720" data-end="1588760">Whoa, it&#8217;s you,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1588980" data-end="1590220">the Capital One bank guy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1590320" data-end="1591420">That&#8217;s what they call me.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1591520" data-end="1592680">Mind if I get a selfie?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1592920" data-end="1593700">Yeah, sure thing.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 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									<p> </p><p> </p><p data-start="191" data-end="215"><strong data-start="191" data-end="213">Major Takeaways:</strong></p><ul data-start="216" data-end="710"><li data-start="216" data-end="395"><p data-start="218" data-end="395">Private equity’s growing control in health care often leads to cost-cutting, layoffs, and declining patient outcomes as firms prioritize short-term profit over long-term care.</p></li><li data-start="396" data-end="546"><p data-start="398" data-end="546">Some states are moving toward regulating ownership transparency and curbing risky financial practices that jeopardize hospitals and nursing homes.</p></li><li data-start="547" data-end="710"><p data-start="549" data-end="710">Advocates like Annie Sleese push for mental health literacy in schools to help families and educators identify early signs of mental illness and reduce stigma.</p></li></ul><h2 class="entry-title"> Profit Over Patients: Are Private Equity Firms Ruining Healthcare?</h2><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="2350" data-end="6930">You&#8217;re listening to <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/episode/radio-health-journal-8-29-2025-short-kids-are-being-given-growth-hormones-is-it-safe/">Radio Health Journal</a>, the trusted news source for medicine, science</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="6930" data-end="7750">and technology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="8330" data-end="9770">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="10150" data-end="11810">I&#8217;m Mayan Vasta Betancourt.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="12170" data-end="13030">And I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="13510" data-end="17030">This week, why everyone needs a baseline understanding of mental health.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="17350" data-end="20350">I didn&#8217;t know that I could be the expert of my child.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="20630" data-end="25350">I thought, they&#8217;re the expert, they have the MD degree, I should just sit down and be quiet.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="25350" data-end="29750">But first, should we be worried about private equity&#8217;s growing investment in health care?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="30110" data-end="33730">Cutting costs, trying to drive profit, in addition, high amounts of debt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="33930" data-end="40670">So a lot of times, this just spells <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/wire-fraud-mega-investors-and-rising-rents-are-reshaping-the-housing-market-explore-scams-strategies-and-realities-in-todays-real-estate-world/">financial</a> disaster for the health care company, hospital</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="40670" data-end="42750">entity that a private equity firm owns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="43030" data-end="45510">All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="46870" data-end="50930">At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about going to the bathroom in public, so we decided</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="50930" data-end="51790">to sing about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="51790" data-end="56450">Charmin UltraStrong, you can use less, better than the rest.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="56770" data-end="60510">Charmin UltraStrong, your booty pass the clean test.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="60790" data-end="62710">Diamond weave texture, it&#8217;s the best.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="62910" data-end="67390">Study up, teach a lesson all fresh, your booty pass the clean test.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="69350" data-end="73170">Charmin UltraStrong, Charmin UltraStrong with diamond weave texture, cleans better than</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="73170" data-end="75170">the leading one-ply brands, so you can use less.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="75350" data-end="76430">Enjoy the go with Charmin.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="77010" data-end="80410">Protect your home and auto by bundling them with Progressive, and you&#8217;ll have a little</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="80410" data-end="81210">less to worry about.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="81210" data-end="86230">But we know you&#8217;ll find other things to worry about, like that text you just got from your</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="86230" data-end="86530">boss.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="96030" data-end="97310">Yeah, this is bad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="97790" data-end="101310">Oh, well, at least you protected your home and auto with Progressive, so you don&#8217;t have</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="101310" data-end="102010">to worry about that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="102930" data-end="105370">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and other insurers not available in all states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="115050" data-end="120490">For many of us, the healthcare system is a tangled mess of complex phrases that try to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="120490" data-end="122710">explain the expensive bills we get in the mail.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="123090" data-end="128070">And with the chaos of life, it&#8217;s easy to quickly pay it without ever truly looking at the breakdown</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="128070" data-end="128710">of cost.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="129250" data-end="132850">Unfortunately, the industry knows this and can take advantage of it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="133450" data-end="138770">Lynn Unruh, Professor Emerita at the University of Central Florida, experienced this firsthand</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="138770" data-end="141030">after seeking help for her spinal issues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="141030" data-end="143750">My visit was all of five minutes or less.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="144370" data-end="149410">He misdiagnosed me, but did thankfully send me to a physical therapist, and the physical</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="149410" data-end="154390">therapist did a good half-hour assessment and diagnosed me properly.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="155270" data-end="161070">And I wasn&#8217;t happy with this guy, so I asked for, you know, you have to contact the office</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="161070" data-end="163870">and ask them for the record of your visit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="164290" data-end="168470">And they are, by law, I believe, you&#8217;re entitled to get this record.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="168470" data-end="174870">In a surprise twist, Unruh&#8217;s record detailed a much different visit than the one she had experienced.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="175310" data-end="181570">He said I had a half an hour visit and that he did a systematic neurological examination</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="181570" data-end="184030">on me, which he did not do.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="184190" data-end="188430">He basically looked at the way I walked in and said, oh, you&#8217;ve got sacroiliitis and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="188430" data-end="189330">blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="189750" data-end="194990">And he did my knee reflexes, and that was about it, versus what the physical therapist</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="194990" data-end="197950">did, that there&#8217;s all this whole big, long thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="197950" data-end="203610">So anyway, he lied, and he charged Medicare for a 30-minute visit when he saw me for less</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="203610" data-end="204550">than five minutes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="205030" data-end="210050">Unruh was a victim of upcoding, a type of medical billing fraud when providers intentionally</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="210530" data-end="213590">submit wrong billing codes to increase their revenue.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="213930" data-end="216510">It&#8217;s quite common and has a costly effect.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="216990" data-end="222550">In fact, a 2024 paper estimates that the practice of upcoding was associated with more than</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="222550" data-end="226490">$14 billion in hospital payments in 2019.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="227130" data-end="232630">Unfortunately, it&#8217;s only become more pronounced in recent years, a rise that may be attributed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="232630" data-end="236710">to the uptick in investments from private equity firms in the health care space.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237250" data-end="237530">Why?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237990" data-end="241550">Because it&#8217;s a simple way to increase revenue that often goes unnoticed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="241970" data-end="246130">And as we&#8217;ve seen from private equities involvement in this industry, the main focus</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="246130" data-end="247810">is making a quick profit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="248430" data-end="251730">Private equity is investing everywhere in health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="251730" data-end="258829">It started in some of the urgent care center areas in hospitals and nursing homes, but</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="258829" data-end="263170">it&#8217;s also gone into doctor&#8217;s offices, which are all of the specialties.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="263630" data-end="269410">There&#8217;s pretty much not a physician specialty that you can name that it isn&#8217;t invested in.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="269910" data-end="272550">Investments in health care are usually seen as a positive.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="273030" data-end="276270">So why is there a negative connotation around private equity involvement?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="276270" data-end="282170">Well, because most reports, like Unruh&#8217;s 2025 review published in the journal Health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="282170" data-end="286870">Policy, aren&#8217;t finding many good outcomes in the wake of a private equity takeover.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="287350" data-end="293110">Out of 21 studies that we found on health care quality and patient outcomes, only one</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="293110" data-end="296730">nursing home study and one hospital study found that they were better.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="297070" data-end="299970">The outcomes were better in private equity facilities.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="300510" data-end="305850">One hospital study and a couple other studies found no difference in system outcomes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="305850" data-end="307430">And some found mixed results.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="307830" data-end="313330">But like we say, most of the mixed results studies were mostly negative.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="314030" data-end="320230">So when you look at out of 21, really only six were not bad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="320730" data-end="321770">It&#8217;s not a lot.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322310" data-end="326730">The global investment firm KKR and Company has one of the few good examples.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="327150" data-end="333390">Their acquisition of HCA Healthcare in 2006 showed a significant reduction in patient mortality.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="333390" data-end="336730">However, they declined our interview request for this segment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="337430" data-end="341870">The Private Equity Stakeholder Project is a watchdog organization that specializes in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="341870" data-end="345350">researching the effects that the industry has on people and the planet.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="345830" data-end="347390">It covers a range of factors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="347870" data-end="349650">And one specific topic is health care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350190" data-end="354390">Michael Fenney, a senior policy coordinator at the organization, says that they&#8217;re also</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="354390" data-end="358290">not seeing many positive outcomes of private equity investments in health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="358290" data-end="365670">They may be out there, but what we&#8217;ve observed is that the incentives that private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="365670" data-end="370810">firms operate under don&#8217;t align with long-term care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="371150" data-end="375930">Instead of working towards a long-term vision, Matthew Parr, the communications director</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="375930" data-end="380410">for the Private Equity Stakeholder Project, says that private equity firms tend to buy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="380410" data-end="384010">and sell their investments in an average of five to seven years.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="384010" data-end="388550">These private equity firms have a set revenue goal that they&#8217;re trying to get out of a company,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="389030" data-end="390350">and they&#8217;re trying to do it very quickly.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="390950" data-end="394930">And because they sell off these companies after about five to seven years or transfer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="394930" data-end="399490">them to another private equity firm, sometimes they take them public or these companies go</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="399490" data-end="403530">bankrupt, what have you, after that short period of time, they don&#8217;t really have a stake</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="403530" data-end="404550">in that company anymore.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="404850" data-end="408650">And so if the firm has gotten its profit, they can sell that company off.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="408650" data-end="414330">And they didn&#8217;t really have to invest in a lot of long-term strategies for the long-term</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="414330" data-end="415370">benefit of the company.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="416050" data-end="419850">That becomes a problem a lot of times with health care, because health care is inherently</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="419850" data-end="423790">a long-term industry and health is a long-term aspect.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="424250" data-end="429270">So it&#8217;s not necessarily the investment that&#8217;s a problem, but the strategies they use to make</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="429270" data-end="431290">the most profit in a short amount of time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="431830" data-end="436990">And because of how these firms buy in, they get full operating control, despite in most</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="436990" data-end="439890">cases not having any significant knowledge of health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="440350" data-end="446990">So private equity firms typically do full control buyouts of companies or assets or</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="446990" data-end="447590">things like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="447670" data-end="452190">So it&#8217;s a little different than venture capital or other types of investing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="452370" data-end="456110">While they may buy a few shares or they may just own a part of a company, private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="456110" data-end="459750">tends to get a controlling equity interest in the company.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="459870" data-end="464490">So they have operational control and they&#8217;re able to enforce decisions at the places that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="464490" data-end="465010">they purchase.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="465010" data-end="467950">They&#8217;re not people who have any health care background.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="468690" data-end="475950">So, for example, Blackstone, which invests in real estate, is a big investor in health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="475950" data-end="477310">equity and health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="477910" data-end="483250">They don&#8217;t know anything about running a health care institution, but that&#8217;s who&#8217;s investing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="483250" data-end="483670">in it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="483990" data-end="488550">Research shows that the typical game plan private equity firms use once they&#8217;ve acquired</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="488550" data-end="491630">an institution usually starts with cutting staff.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="491630" data-end="497050">They also typically focus on the more profitable services, often driving up the prices on those</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="497050" data-end="500050">while completely cutting the ones that don&#8217;t make as much money.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="500410" data-end="504370">So we see a lot of private equity investment in dentistry, for instance, because a lot</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="504370" data-end="509170">of times there is dental insurance, but there&#8217;s a lot of cash flow, people paying cash for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="509170" data-end="509610">procedures.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="509790" data-end="512190">And so that&#8217;s easy profit for a private equity firm.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="512809" data-end="519150">And so you couple cutting costs with trying to eke out profit and not a lot of kind of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="519150" data-end="520450">future thinking investment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="520450" data-end="525730">In addition, private equity firms do this tactic called the leverage buyout.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="525790" data-end="530250">And what that means is that they actually don&#8217;t put a lot of money into the companies</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="530250" data-end="531270">that they purchase.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="531410" data-end="532310">They use a lot of debt.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="532890" data-end="536630">Which means that the firm use very little of its own money in these purchases.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="537390" data-end="542570">Another bonus to this tactic is that the debt gets placed on the company they buy, not the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="542570" data-end="543190">firm itself.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="543710" data-end="546210">A very popular case right now is Walgreens.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="546210" data-end="549870">Walgreens just got bought out by a private equity firm, Sycamore Partners.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="550390" data-end="556330">Just over 70 percent of that Walgreens acquisition was actually financed by debt and not from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556330" data-end="557750">money from Sycamore Partners.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="558090" data-end="561810">But Walgreens is now going to be on the hook for paying that debt, not the private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="561810" data-end="563130">firm that owns Walgreens.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="563330" data-end="568530">So in the case of hospitals or nursing homes or in Walgreens case, you now have cutting</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="568530" data-end="570150">costs trying to drive profit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="570210" data-end="572050">In addition, high amounts of debt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="572050" data-end="577850">This strategy has been the cause of the financial ruin of many health care institutions owned</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="577850" data-end="579190">by private equity firms.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="579710" data-end="584870">In fact, the Private Equity Stakeholder Project reports that seven of the eight largest health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="584870" data-end="588390">care bankruptcies in 2024 were backed by these firms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="588950" data-end="593050">They also resulted in more than 65,000 layoffs across America.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="593530" data-end="599090">So if these practices are leading to worse patient care, bankruptcies and closures, are</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="599090" data-end="603550">we on a fast track to a destabilized health care system with even less patient access</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="603550" data-end="604590">than we have today?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="605270" data-end="608830">Parr says it&#8217;s a fear that&#8217;s only grown with the recent Walgreens acquisition.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="609410" data-end="611430">Patients have such direct access to Walgreens.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="611550" data-end="613110">It&#8217;s in nearly every community.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="613630" data-end="617510">Many rural communities only have a Walgreens for pharmacy access.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="618270" data-end="624450">And so if you take what we&#8217;ve seen traditionally and historically with these firms and extrapolate</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="624450" data-end="626630">it to Walgreens, which is in almost every community.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="626630" data-end="632510">And if Walgreens does fail, because like we&#8217;ve seen other health care companies fail, you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="632510" data-end="637450">have direct lifelines in communities all over the country that will lose access to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="637450" data-end="637810">health care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="638390" data-end="643090">Thankfully, Fenney says some states have started to move towards increasing ownership transparency</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="643570" data-end="646370">and pre-transaction review for the private market.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="646510" data-end="651730">So if a private equity firm proposes a deal in which it acquires a health care provider,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="651730" data-end="656690">it would have to receive review and approval from the appropriate state entity.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="657130" data-end="663770">We&#8217;ve also seen states are starting to consider limits on certain practices by private equity</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="663770" data-end="670830">firms, including limits on sale-leaseback transactions and dividend recapitalizations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="671790" data-end="677430">And then states have also started to consider reinvigorating longstanding corporate practice</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="677430" data-end="682850">of medicine laws, which keep clinical decisions with medical professionals instead of the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="682850" data-end="684090">corporations that own them.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="684530" data-end="688970">You can find more information about Matthew Parr, Michael Fenney, Lynn Unruh, and all of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="688970" data-end="691970">our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="692410" data-end="694090">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="694270" data-end="696450">Our executive producer is Amir Ozaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="696870" data-end="697850">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="704480" data-end="707720">Coming up, should mental health literacy be taught in school?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="707720" data-end="709660">When Radio Health Journal returns.</span></span> </p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="778360" data-end="783100">Some mental health conditions have become cultural buzzwords like anxiety and depression,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="783400" data-end="787900">while others have set the stage for blockbuster movies like the 2016 film Split.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="788500" data-end="791340">And though public awareness of mental illness has increased,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="791660" data-end="794040">can the same be said for public understanding?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="794780" data-end="799040">Annie Sleese is the co-founder and CEO of the Mental Health Literacy Collaborative,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="799340" data-end="801080">a national nonprofit organization.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="801080" data-end="806260">She believes education needs to be a foundational component of any mental health initiative,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="806560" data-end="807580">especially in schools.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="808120" data-end="812000">Though she&#8217;s now a leader in this movement, there was a time when Sleese was a parent,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="812540" data-end="815700">unaware of how much she needed this knowledge in her own life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="815940" data-end="822280">I was teaching 90 students a year and directing two musicals a year every year</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="822280" data-end="826860">and continued to do that while my child&#8217;s condition deteriorated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="826860" data-end="831140">And within a couple of years, I was navigating the prison system</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="831140" data-end="835260">as a direct result of my child&#8217;s unmet mental health needs</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="835260" data-end="840460">turning into substance misuse and being in the wrong place at the wrong time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="840980" data-end="846280">In 2010, Sleese was navigating how to be a teacher and primary caregiver to her two children,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="846500" data-end="850600">while dealing with what she thought was the typical teenage rough patch with her oldest,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="850780" data-end="852040">who&#8217;d just graduated high school.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="852660" data-end="856240">Looking back now, there are so many signs Sleese can see clear as day,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="856240" data-end="859080">but before she had any real understanding of mental illness,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="859380" data-end="863140">she dismissed even the stranger ones as personality quirks they&#8217;d grow out of.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="863280" data-end="867680">What I think I should have recognized, and had I had training, I would have known,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="868000" data-end="869800">was my child was fearful.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="870320" data-end="873140">I found butter knives in the couch.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="873560" data-end="875700">And I would ask, you know, what happened here?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="875720" data-end="878380">Was someone buttering a bagel in the living room?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="878480" data-end="878780">You know, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="879320" data-end="880660">And that wasn&#8217;t it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="880780" data-end="882760">It was, oh no, that&#8217;s mine, mom.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="882840" data-end="884140">It&#8217;s for me to feel safer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="884140" data-end="886400">And I thought, what do you mean safer?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="886980" data-end="887740">We have a house.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="887900" data-end="888700">We&#8217;re locking the doors.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="888780" data-end="889460">We have security.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889540" data-end="890240">What&#8217;s going on?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="890740" data-end="894200">And what I didn&#8217;t realize was my child was feeling paranoia.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="894560" data-end="902240">My child was feeling signs of unsettled, being able to discern reality from things that weren&#8217;t real.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="902600" data-end="907840">So that fear manifested itself in bringing a butter knife around.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="908500" data-end="911840">By the time Sleese realized that her child was experiencing a mental illness,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="911840" data-end="916000">they were 18 and able to fight against the inpatient program she requested.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="916600" data-end="918920">Instead, they compromised on an outpatient treatment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="919380" data-end="920760">I was like, wait, I&#8217;m the mom.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="921380" data-end="923060">And they were like, yeah, but your child&#8217;s 18.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="923340" data-end="927240">So your child decided that that&#8217;s not going to work, so this is what we&#8217;re going to do.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="927760" data-end="933300">When we did that, it was in that facility as an outpatient that my child accessed a firearm,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="933900" data-end="938820">got it from another person receiving care during a parking lot smoke break,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="938820" data-end="942940">just going outside, getting fresh air, and buying a firearm out of the trunk of someone&#8217;s car.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="943420" data-end="946540">My child brought it home, and then my 13-year-old found it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="946860" data-end="952680">So I was trying to manage this distress internally, quietly, and obviously deeply stigmatized.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="952960" data-end="958820">So two years go by, and the thing that made me actually do something was the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="959400" data-end="963580">When that happened, my eyes were just opened, and I was like, oh, my gosh,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="963620" data-end="968160">there is so much parallel between what happened and what was going on in my house.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="968160" data-end="970560">Now, there are great differences, too.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="971100" data-end="975500">The perpetrator in that incident had a very different sort of set of circumstances,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="976000" data-end="980360">but the mother I definitely connected and could relate to.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="980760" data-end="985700">The mother was said to have been fearful, and I was fearful at that point.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="986100" data-end="990380">She started building a community through a blog, and though it was making an impact,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="990600" data-end="996300">Sleese realized the hypocrisy of her fight to normalize mental health issues while hiding from her own story.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="996300" data-end="1000760">It was anonymous. I was talking all about the stigma of mental health,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1000840" data-end="1007600">yet not willing to tell anybody my name or what I did or where I live because deeply stigmatized I was.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1007920" data-end="1012240">But over time, I got a lot of people reaching out from all over the world saying,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1012460" data-end="1015380">this sounds a whole lot like someone I know, or this sounds like my story,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1015420" data-end="1017240">or my family went through something like this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1017660" data-end="1020700">And as that happened, it just built and built and built,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1020840" data-end="1025700">and I realized that there was work to be done, and maybe I could help do it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1025700" data-end="1031540">She started by helping Sandy Hook Promise roll out their Know the Signs school programs in 2016.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1032300" data-end="1034500">Soon after, Sleese decided to go all in.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1034960" data-end="1038740">She quit her job teaching and became the Director of Advocacy and Education</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1038740" data-end="1041420">at the National Alliance on Mental Illness in Delaware.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1041900" data-end="1046940">My role at NAMI allowed me to, first of all, learn all the facts I didn&#8217;t know,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1047240" data-end="1053100">and share them with parents like me, with individuals like my child, with community leaders,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1053100" data-end="1057100">and then to advocate for policies that would make lives better.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1057800" data-end="1061520">And when I did that, that&#8217;s really what brought me to what I&#8217;m doing now,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1061840" data-end="1068440">because doing that policy piece allowed me to recognize the influence that policy can have,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1068500" data-end="1071680">the positive work that can be done, but also the gaps.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1072380" data-end="1075680">And what my work does now is address one of those gaps.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1076280" data-end="1077960">Which is mental health literacy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1077960" data-end="1083840">Understanding what mental illness is and being able to recognize the signs in yourself and others.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1084540" data-end="1088580">More than 30 states have some sort of mental health education policy in place,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1088740" data-end="1092420">but Sleese says there&#8217;s no universal framework for what should be taught.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1092900" data-end="1095780">On top of that, it&#8217;s hard for teachers to follow a policy</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1095780" data-end="1099180">and explain something that they themselves don&#8217;t truly understand.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1099600" data-end="1104460">Just like me, having been a teacher my whole career and not being able to help my own child,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1104460" data-end="1108820">most educators don&#8217;t get this information, most educators aren&#8217;t trained in this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1109200" data-end="1112820">So whether or not you have a policy in place that requires something,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1113080" data-end="1115760">or you just have people who want to do it,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1116140" data-end="1121220">you still need to have the background, the foundation, the confidence around this topic</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1121220" data-end="1124580">that&#8217;s needed to provide the information thoughtfully.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1125000" data-end="1130460">The gap between policy and action is what the Mental Health Literacy Collaborative is helping to close.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1130460" data-end="1135880">We&#8217;re trying to elevate this framework that has been in existence for decades,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1136040" data-end="1142440">but we&#8217;re trying to elevate it as a potential roadmap for school education systems</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1142440" data-end="1145040">to implement mental health education universally.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1145640" data-end="1150160">And doing that with that framework allows people to understand kind of four big ideas</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1150160" data-end="1153940">and to make those ideas suitable for the audience.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1154240" data-end="1158540">It&#8217;s understanding how to foster and maintain positive mental health,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1158540" data-end="1161740">understanding common disorders and their treatments,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1162400" data-end="1164500">understanding how to seek help effectively,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1165060" data-end="1167740">and understanding stigma and how to reduce it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1168100" data-end="1172640">Sleese believes that just simply being aware of a few statistics can make a huge difference.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1173160" data-end="1179020">In fact, she thinks that if she knew nearly half of all lifetime mental disorders begin by the age of 14,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1179500" data-end="1183460">she would have reacted much differently to her child&#8217;s odd behaviors early on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1183460" data-end="1189480">That fact alone, I think, would have changed the trajectory of my child&#8217;s life</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1189480" data-end="1192120">if I had known that raising my child.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1192420" data-end="1194860">Because I think I would have recognized far sooner.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1195300" data-end="1199720">Because looking back, there were signs way earlier than age of 18.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1200320" data-end="1205900">But I would have also pushed back on discussions with physicians when I was asked,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1205980" data-end="1210980">or with therapists, because there was therapy on and off throughout my child&#8217;s growing up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1211440" data-end="1214240">But every time I would say, I think it&#8217;s more than this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1214320" data-end="1215520">I think this is going on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1215720" data-end="1218040">I would be told, we&#8217;re in the normal range.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1218120" data-end="1218880">This is all fine.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1218940" data-end="1219800">Mom, this is fine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1219920" data-end="1220800">Everything&#8217;s fine, Mom.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1221000" data-end="1223940">I would be called Mom, which was very annoying to me.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1224100" data-end="1230000">But also, I was sort of put in my place, and I didn&#8217;t know that I could be the expert of my child.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230300" data-end="1232060">I thought, they&#8217;re the expert.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1232560" data-end="1233780">They have the MD degree.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1234180" data-end="1235800">I should just sit down and be quiet.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1235800" data-end="1242060">And so one of my biggest lessons, I think, is to remind people that you&#8217;re the expert of your child.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1242520" data-end="1243120">You know.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1243500" data-end="1248800">And if you don&#8217;t feel like this particular diagnosis or this particular treatment plan</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1248800" data-end="1251740">or this particular situation is right, speak up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1252020" data-end="1254260">And if they&#8217;re not listening, speak to somebody else.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1254600" data-end="1259060">Sleese says mental health literacy isn&#8217;t just for parents and teachers to notice and understand.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1259520" data-end="1262960">She believes it can and should be taught to kids of all ages.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1262960" data-end="1268560">The messaging may change when talking to a third grader versus a high schooler, but the outcome is the same.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1269060" data-end="1272540">Understanding the brain, emotions, and overall health.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1272960" data-end="1276200">Let&#8217;s hope that by the age of, I don&#8217;t know, 9 and 10,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1276640" data-end="1281860">we have young people who understand that health conditions happen in all parts of our body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1282280" data-end="1285540">Sometimes we get sick, and it&#8217;s our heart that&#8217;s sick.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1285640" data-end="1287580">Sometimes we get sick, it&#8217;s our stomach that&#8217;s sick.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1287660" data-end="1289620">Sometimes we get sick, it&#8217;s our brain that&#8217;s sick.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1289620" data-end="1295400">That&#8217;s the idea of mental health literacy, is it&#8217;s just a piece of health literacy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1295660" data-end="1300320">Something that young people and people of all ages have been building.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1300920" data-end="1305520">We understand really common things, like no one shies away from a broken bone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1305960" data-end="1307900">If you have a broken arm, people don&#8217;t go,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1308000" data-end="1311100">oh no, I can&#8217;t talk about that, don&#8217;t tell me about that broken bone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1311400" data-end="1314180">We have a general idea of what happens with a broken bone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1314540" data-end="1317180">We also understand, because we understand the treatment,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1317180" data-end="1319960">we understand that after you wear that cast for a little while,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1320080" data-end="1323340">that cast is going to come off, and your arm&#8217;s going to look kind of like it did before,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1323440" data-end="1324200">and it&#8217;s going to be okay.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1324720" data-end="1326700">That&#8217;s our health literacy in action.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1327240" data-end="1331120">What we&#8217;re trying to do is add the piece of health literacy that&#8217;s been missing,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1331480" data-end="1334240">mental health literacy, and young people can learn it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1334360" data-end="1338460">One argument that pushes back against including mental health literacy in school</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1338460" data-end="1342200">is the idea that teachers aren&#8217;t qualified to be speaking about the brain.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1342500" data-end="1345080">And though it&#8217;s true they&#8217;re usually not neurologists,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345080" data-end="1347420">Sleese says that with the right tools and resources,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1347740" data-end="1351260">they can confidently and accurately teach a foundational understanding</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1351640" data-end="1354280">of mental health that can be extremely impactful.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1354860" data-end="1358080">You can find more information about the Mental Health Literacy Collaborative,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1358340" data-end="1362060">Annie Sleese, and all of our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1362480" data-end="1364220">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1364420" data-end="1366200">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1366660" data-end="1367320">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1375990" data-end="1378370">RadioHealth Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1382640" data-end="1385080">This is the sound of captivity.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1387720" data-end="1389920">This is the sound of rescue.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1391420" data-end="1394200">And this is the sound of freedom.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1395240" data-end="1398640">Give Armenia&#8217;s captive bears a second chance</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1398640" data-end="1401400">by supporting International Animal Rescue.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1401860" data-end="1408880">Call 508-826-1083 or search The Great Bear Rescue to learn more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1410760" data-end="1413280">Whoa, it&#8217;s you, the Capital One bank guy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1413380" data-end="1414480">That&#8217;s what they call me.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1414600" data-end="1415700">Mind if I get a selfie?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416000" data-end="1416760">Yeah, sure thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416940" data-end="1420100">Say, no fees or minimums on your Capital One checking account.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1420720" data-end="1421780">Wow, that&#8217;s a keeper.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1422480" data-end="1423840">So, where are you heading?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1424020" data-end="1426600">I&#8217;m off to spread the good news that Capital One helps people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1426600" data-end="1429240">keep more money in their wallet with no overdraft fees.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1429440" data-end="1431300">You&#8217;re the best Capital One bank guy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1431440" data-end="1432780">Hey, mind if I get a selfie?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1433020" data-end="1433460">Sure.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1433920" data-end="1436560">Say, Capital One, what&#8217;s in your wallet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1436560" data-end="1437220">Terms apply.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1437420" data-end="1439040">See CapitalOne.com slash bank for details.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1439240" data-end="1440340">Capital One and a member FDIC.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1441040" data-end="1444440">Behold, the Colonel&#8217;s giant KFC chicken sandwich.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1444660" data-end="1447320">A towering, extra-crispy monument to flavor.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1447960" data-end="1451360">Such a huge amount of juicy, hand-breaded KFC chicken</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1451360" data-end="1453760">at a pretty tiny $3.99 price</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1453760" data-end="1456740">for the Colonel&#8217;s KFC chicken sandwich.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1457380" data-end="1460840">I mean, $3.99 isn&#8217;t even worthy of the same epic soundtrack as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1460840" data-end="1464100">the KFC chicken sandwich for only $3.99.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1464520" data-end="1467060">The Colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1467580" data-end="1469420">Prices and participation vary while supplies last.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1469500" data-end="1470420">Taxes, tips, and fees extra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1471120" data-end="1472780">Progressive has great customer service,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1472940" data-end="1475760">and it&#8217;s easy to reach us because great and easy is the way to be.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475960" data-end="1477580">Like salads.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1475960" data-end="1477580">Great for you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1477680" data-end="1479900">And so easy you can put any group of veggies in a bowl</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1479900" data-end="1480640">and it&#8217;s a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480980" data-end="1482660">A full carrot with a head of cabbage?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1483020" data-end="1484520">Weird, but still a salad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484860" data-end="1486300">One radish and a couple of green beans?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1486480" data-end="1487180">Also a salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1487460" data-end="1489520">14 blueberries, half an onion, and a sunchoke?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1489780" data-end="1491760">Odd, yes, but an odd salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1491760" data-end="1494300">So contact Progressive&#8217;s customer service</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1494300" data-end="1495620">by phone, app, or online.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1495820" data-end="1498040">It&#8217;s great and easy, just like salad.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1498420" data-end="1500120">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company &amp; Appellants.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1503520" data-end="1505220">Medical Notes this week.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1505720" data-end="1508120">Why does asthma differ between genders?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1508960" data-end="1511640">Research shows that the condition starts at different times,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1511860" data-end="1513080">presents with different symptoms,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513340" data-end="1516100">and responds differently to treatment between men and women.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1516560" data-end="1519820">A new study examined this divergence at a genetic level</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1519820" data-end="1522100">and identified 61 genes</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1522100" data-end="1525540">that have significantly different expressions related to asthma.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1526100" data-end="1528300">Surprisingly, this research also revealed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1528300" data-end="1531900">that the condition changes depending on age and tissue type, too.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1532340" data-end="1536780">The research is published in the American Journal of Respiratory Cell and Molecular Biology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1537760" data-end="1540280">Does a doctor need to be present on every flight?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1540860" data-end="1542700">New research in JAMA Network Open</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1542700" data-end="1545900">analyzed how frequent medical emergencies are in the air.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1546340" data-end="1548260">Between 2022 and 2023,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1548260" data-end="1551040">they reviewed medical calls from 84 airlines</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1551040" data-end="1553520">that flew more than 3 billion passengers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1554260" data-end="1558300">It turns out that one in every 212 flights have a medical emergency.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1559000" data-end="1560300">However, most are minor,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1560580" data-end="1563960">and only about 8% were taken to the hospital after landing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1564620" data-end="1568500">And finally, daydreaming may be the key to getting a promotion.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1569180" data-end="1571560">A new study in the Journal of Management argues</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1571560" data-end="1575160">that letting the mind wander increases the chance of epiphanies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1575160" data-end="1578900">These aha moments shape how people navigate their careers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1579440" data-end="1582780">Creating more epiphanies could heighten a person&#8217;s sense of purpose</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1582780" data-end="1584420">and drive within their career.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1585040" data-end="1586860">And that&#8217;s Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1587260" data-end="1588800">I&#8217;m Mayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1589500" data-end="1592100">Whatever your vision for holiday decorating,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1592420" data-end="1595280">the Home Depot has what you need to bring it to life.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1595620" data-end="1599100">Like our warm white holiday lights with steady-lit technology,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1599460" data-end="1602680">so your lights stay glowing even if one bulb fails.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1602680" data-end="1605340">Whether you&#8217;re going for a soft warm glow</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1605340" data-end="1608040">or a colorful display of holiday cheer,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1608460" data-end="1610860">choose from our wide variety of holiday lights</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1610860" data-end="1613540">starting at $5 in-store only.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1613880" data-end="1617520">Find everything you need to get your holiday started with the Home Depot.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1621510" data-end="1624390">Ah, that&#8217;s the sound of someone who&#8217;s misplaced&#8230;</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1624390" data-end="1625270">My debit card.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1625390" data-end="1626110">&#8230;their debit card.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1626290" data-end="1627310">Where did I leave that thing?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1627390" data-end="1630170">Not at the gas pump, or the checkout counter,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1630750" data-end="1632070">or the roof of your car.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1633070" data-end="1635150">Now, if he has the Chase mobile app,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1635150" data-end="1636310">he can use Card Lock.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1636750" data-end="1638170">Wait, I could just lock my card.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1638370" data-end="1641010">Yep, just a few tippy-taps on his phone and&#8230;</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1641830" data-end="1642630">That sound?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1642950" data-end="1644530">That&#8217;s peace of mind from Chase.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1644830" data-end="1646690">Chase mobile app is available for select mobile devices.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1646830" data-end="1647730">Message and data rates may apply.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1647850" data-end="1649370">JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A., member FDIC.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:32"><span 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		<title>Immersive Healing and Cancer Research: How Virtual Reality and Glucose Discoveries Are Transforming Patient Care</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2025 14:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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weeks and lasting</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="57110" data-end="58750">clinical remission at one year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="59470" data-end="63790">Some even saw visible improvement of their intestinal lining at 12 weeks and one year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="64230" data-end="67810">Tremphaya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="67810" data-end="72150">active Crohn&#8217;s disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="72590" data-end="76370">Serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections and liver problems may occur.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="76670" data-end="79670">Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="80230" data-end="83670">Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or if you need a vaccine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="84250" data-end="86070">Healing is possible with Tremphaya.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="86070" data-end="90710">Approximately 3 out of 10 patients were in endoscopic remission at one year, based on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="90710" data-end="94990">areas visualized on colonoscopy, which may not represent the deeper bowel layer or entire</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="94990" data-end="95650">GI tract.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="95910" data-end="97230">Individual results may vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="97510" data-end="99190">Ask your doctor about Tremphaya today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="99790" data-end="105510">Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tremphayaradio.com.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="115720" data-end="119780">Cancer entered Roger Holzberg&#8217;s vocabulary at a young age.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="120100" data-end="124800">His cousin grew up just down the street, and the two were inseparable, until an aggressive</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="124800" data-end="128780">form of pediatric kidney cancer stopped the duo in their tracks.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="129199" data-end="134640">At age 14, Holzberg watched his best friend fight for eight months until he had nothing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="134640" data-end="135420">left to give.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="135660" data-end="140640">About a decade after that, my parents were divorced, my mom was terminal with breast</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="140640" data-end="148880">cancer, and as the oldest kid, I had to make her end-of-life decisions at a time when no</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="148880" data-end="150300">one should have to make those decisions.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="151380" data-end="155540">My dad, who was a physician at that point, said, so now you&#8217;re going to go into med school</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="155540" data-end="158140">and help fix this cancer problem, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="158480" data-end="162480">To which I said, I&#8217;m going to be as far away from med school as I possibly can be.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="162700" data-end="163700">I&#8217;m going to art school.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="164200" data-end="169180">Holzberg dove headfirst into his passion, and landed with a position as a creative director</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="169180" data-end="172120">and vice president at Walt Disney Imagineering.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="172540" data-end="176940">Just when he thought he had the rest of his life figured out, the enemy Holzberg had worked</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="176940" data-end="181040">so hard to distance himself from barged right back into his life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="181560" data-end="186520">Despite his strict diet and exercise regimen, Holzberg had begun gaining weight and feeling</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="186520" data-end="187480">more lethargic.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="187880" data-end="189740">I called my physician the next day.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="190500" data-end="196120">On the eve of my 50th birthday, I heard those three words that one in two American men and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="196120" data-end="198580">one in three American women hear in their lifetime.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="198960" data-end="199760">You have cancer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="199760" data-end="206520">The good news is it was an early diagnosis, stage one, completely still encapsulated.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="207180" data-end="210620">And I knew very little about health care at that point.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="211160" data-end="216480">My dad came back into my life and said, so your prognosis looks really good.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="216800" data-end="218040">You ought to do some volunteering.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="218560" data-end="223540">Holzberg pulled together a group of his Imagineer co-workers, and as he successfully fought</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="223540" data-end="228520">his own thyroid cancer, the team adapted some favorite Disney attractions for Children&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="228520" data-end="229800">Hospital of Orange County.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="229980" data-end="237120">Which included adapting one of our attractions called Turtle Talk with Crush to Children&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237120" data-end="238140">Hospital of Orange County.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="238620" data-end="244760">And suddenly I met child life specialists and I saw immersive distraction therapy work</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="244760" data-end="250240">and I got to help Crush the Turtle be more than just a goofball surfer dude, to be a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="250240" data-end="250920">comfort friend.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="251240" data-end="256060">I&#8217;d say that was the first time the light bulb went off, which was realized in the project</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="256060" data-end="262080">we&#8217;d just opened, where I went, why didn&#8217;t I have stuff like this when I was in adult</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="262080" data-end="262540">treatment?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="263020" data-end="267900">Holzberg had spent his time in treatment either staring at a blank wall or watching the news</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="267900" data-end="269620">from a TV in the corner of the room.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="269840" data-end="277500">I remember sitting in a chair in a hospital going, my healing place is the ocean.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="277760" data-end="283580">If I could be in Malibu, if I could be out the water and there was a dolphin near me,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="283640" data-end="284860">I&#8217;m an ocean swimmer, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="284860" data-end="286600">That would be my healing place.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="286780" data-end="289760">And I went, wait a second, you work for Walt Disney Imagineering.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="290440" data-end="293700">Your job is putting people in virtual places.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="293860" data-end="298460">You could have been there in every way, but physically, what would that have meant?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="298680" data-end="302880">These realizations led Holzberg to finally jump into the healthcare space.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="303080" data-end="309220">He co-founded Reimagine Well, a company that uses technology to create immersive healing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="309220" data-end="309920">programs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="310440" data-end="314780">Just around the corner at City of Hope Orange County, Annette Walker was having the same</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="314780" data-end="315300">thoughts.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="315820" data-end="320220">Known in the healthcare industry as a visionary and innovator, Walker had begun to set her</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="320220" data-end="322500">sights on the part of care that&#8217;s often overlooked.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322940" data-end="324160">The patient experience.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="324620" data-end="331520">There&#8217;s a quote that we kind of like to incorporate into our ethos that there&#8217;s no profit in healing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="331520" data-end="334080">the body if in the process you destroy the soul.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="334620" data-end="338620">Walker is the president of City of Hope Orange County, a comprehensive cancer center.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="339300" data-end="343520">Though the organization isn&#8217;t faith-based, they&#8217;ve realized that their patients are made</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="343520" data-end="348840">up of mind, body, and spirit, which means to have the highest potential for healing,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="349260" data-end="352060">Walker believes they need to address all three factors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="352620" data-end="358020">So when it came time to design the program&#8217;s spiritual care center, a vague non-denominational</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="358020" data-end="359920">room wasn&#8217;t going to cut it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="360200" data-end="366760">Either they are so generic, they&#8217;re not sacred enough or personal enough to the person who</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="366760" data-end="372140">needs them, or they really are dedicated to one denomination, one faith tradition, and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="372140" data-end="373360">the others are excluded.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="374240" data-end="379900">So I think that our attempts to meet the needs of every patient, I mean, we would do the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="379900" data-end="381760">same thing in other aspects of their care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="381980" data-end="383700">This is one aspect of your care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="383840" data-end="388740">So for instance, if you had cancer, you might need nutritional counseling, or you might</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="388740" data-end="390920">need acupuncture, or you might need something else.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="391600" data-end="394540">And in all cases, that care is personalized to you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="395080" data-end="395980">This is no different.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="396320" data-end="402060">This is our ability to personalize a spiritual care to the individual&#8217;s needs.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="402600" data-end="407340">However, the Orange County community has five primary religions, as well as groups that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="407340" data-end="410820">believe more in spirituality than one specific faith.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="411320" data-end="415380">As you can imagine, Walker didn&#8217;t have the space for seven separate rooms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="415800" data-end="421500">So our dilemma was, wow, we have five primary religions in Orange County, as well as people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="421500" data-end="425360">who are not religious, but are spiritual and have other needs.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="426020" data-end="427860">How do we address all these populations?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="428080" data-end="432600">And the idea was presented by our chief operating officer, hey, why don&#8217;t we try immersive reality?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="433080" data-end="440620">And it was like, oh, my God, could we, we&#8217;re so good technically, could we use technology</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="440620" data-end="442860">on the softest part of our services?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="443580" data-end="445120">And that&#8217;s when they brought in Holzberg.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="445580" data-end="449960">He had already been using immersive technology at the Children&#8217;s Hospital after an oncologist</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="449960" data-end="453720">had challenged him to find a way of helping the kids who had just been diagnosed with</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="453720" data-end="454180">cancer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="454460" data-end="458420">And he said, you know, my pediatric patients, they get diagnosed with cancer.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="458760" data-end="463060">They immediately feel isolated, depressed, withdrawn.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="463660" data-end="468940">And those three things in concert with chemotherapy is just not good.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="469500" data-end="472680">So how do we change the chemotherapy experience?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="472840" data-end="475720">And I said, can I go out with a survey of your patients?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="476240" data-end="478540">And he said, well, you&#8217;re not a doctor.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="478540" data-end="480500">What kind of survey do you want to send to my patients?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="480540" data-end="485220">I said, basically, one question, if you could get your treatment anywhere in the universe</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="485620" data-end="489560">and there were no rules, what special place would help heal you?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="490000" data-end="495480">In the 15 years we&#8217;ve been asking kids and adolescent young adult cancer patients, what</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="495480" data-end="497260">special place would help heal them?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="497800" data-end="500940">Never once has one of them come back and said that would be a hospital.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="501480" data-end="506680">So in the same way that he surveyed pediatric patients, Holzberg&#8217;s first step for City of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="506680" data-end="510480">Hope&#8217;s new spiritual center was to survey the people in Orange County.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="510820" data-end="517440">My job is never to tell a patient or clinician what is right and healing for their population.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="517919" data-end="522960">It&#8217;s to ask them what is healing for their population and then get that for them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="523680" data-end="528840">We went out to patients and families and we went out to faith leaders with a very similar</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="528840" data-end="532240">question to what we asked our pediatric patients.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="532420" data-end="534500">But it wasn&#8217;t about your healing place.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="534500" data-end="539800">It was about your family coming together in a sacred healing place.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="540620" data-end="547320">And so that&#8217;s what gave us the answers for the five faith themes and the two nature themes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="547400" data-end="554380">The team settled on creating scenes depicting a chapel, mandir, mosque, synagogue, temple,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="554920" data-end="556840">an alpine forest, and the beach.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="557420" data-end="562080">Holzberg&#8217;s team had gone back and forth on how immersive they wanted the experience to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="562080" data-end="562320">be.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="562320" data-end="565160">We concepted a number of different approaches.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="565940" data-end="572700">One of them was very immersive, meaning the people in the room were surrounded by imagery.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="573420" data-end="581100">Another one is what we wound up with, which is a very large screen with what then we call</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="581100" data-end="586360">alcoves, all of which contain different media in different forms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="586560" data-end="591820">The decision ultimately came down to one factor that the theme park industry refers to as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="591820" data-end="592860">the barf quotient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="593100" data-end="600600">I&#8217;ve been a part of tuning the profiles of some extreme rides before, and when people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="600600" data-end="606100">get nauseous is a thing that you&#8217;ve got to really dial down because in the ride theme</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="606100" data-end="610040">park world, you don&#8217;t want to be washing out ride vehicles every four minutes.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="610680" data-end="615140">But also in the hospital world, you&#8217;ve got different sets of challenges.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="615360" data-end="620420">You&#8217;ve got patients who might have some loss of equilibrium, might have some nausea from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="620420" data-end="621400">medication.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="621920" data-end="625540">And we wanted to make sure we didn&#8217;t overwhelm them.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="626020" data-end="630300">On top of that, the team needed to make sure that the experience wasn&#8217;t just cool, but</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="630300" data-end="631120">felt sacred.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="631540" data-end="636680">Roger will tell you that we&#8217;re pretty nitpicky about that&#8217;s not quite right.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="636820" data-end="638100">We have to adjust it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="638420" data-end="645380">So we&#8217;re kind of fanatically possessed with making it as real and as awesome as we could.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="645380" data-end="650680">Now, there&#8217;s no doubt that right now, using immersive reality in this situation, people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="650680" data-end="655540">just the fact that we used it will think it&#8217;s cool, but it wasn&#8217;t meant to be cool.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="655640" data-end="656860">It was meant to be sacred.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="657440" data-end="662380">They had community leaders advising on all of the details and even went as far as to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="662380" data-end="666780">create their own stained glass when they couldn&#8217;t find any that perfectly fit the comforting</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="666780" data-end="668720">environment they were aiming for.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="669200" data-end="672820">It looks like it could be made into original stained glass window.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="672940" data-end="674600">It&#8217;s a beautiful piece of art.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="674600" data-end="678920">But when you go in the room, it does look like we picked a stained glass from somewhere</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="678920" data-end="679640">and put it there.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="679780" data-end="688380">But that was some of the nuances of the perfection that we were going for that, you know, there&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="688380" data-end="693020">a lot of images of Christ that could be distressing during this time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="693180" data-end="695600">We wanted the comforting images of Christ.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="696220" data-end="701060">City of Hope recently unveiled this space after two years of development, and patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="701060" data-end="703580">will be able to fully utilize the center in December.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="704020" data-end="709660">The room will be open 24-7 and on the outside of the room, it&#8217;ll show you the scene that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="709660" data-end="711120">is currently on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="711560" data-end="715680">But as soon as you walk in, if there&#8217;s no one else in the room, you just go push a button</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="715680" data-end="719060">and you pick the one you want and it&#8217;ll stay on for 15 minutes.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="719800" data-end="724560">The other thing that&#8217;s very cool is if you were a patient and say we were having a service</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="724560" data-end="729600">in there, if you&#8217;re a patient and you&#8217;re confined to your bed, you can turn it on from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="729600" data-end="730760">your room and watch it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="730760" data-end="735780">Now that Walker and Holzberg have reimagined how spiritual centers can look, they hope</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="735780" data-end="740900">more programs will adopt this immersive experience to enhance their patients&#8217; quality of care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="741300" data-end="743920">Someone asked me that, do you think this will change the industry?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="744100" data-end="744860">And I think it will.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="745300" data-end="745860">I do.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="746040" data-end="750240">I think people will say, wow, we just didn&#8217;t think of doing it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="750320" data-end="755000">It wasn&#8217;t that they were trying to be thoughtless or exclusionary, I just didn&#8217;t think they</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="755000" data-end="755480">thought of it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="755540" data-end="758920">And also, you know, the technology is relatively new.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="759680" data-end="764600">You know, it&#8217;s immersive reality has been used in other cases, like Roger has used it</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="764600" data-end="768860">in children&#8217;s hospitals for immersive experiences for kids.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="769240" data-end="772560">I went to the Sphere this weekend and saw a concert.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="773100" data-end="773900">It&#8217;s unbelievable.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="774780" data-end="779500">And so what you&#8217;re seeing is technology is helping health care in a different way.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="779580" data-end="784920">This won&#8217;t be the only way it does, but I do believe it&#8217;s the first time it&#8217;s been used</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="784920" data-end="788180">in this particular circumstances in health care.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="788180" data-end="793100">You can find more information about Annette Walker, Roger Holzberg, and all of our guests</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="793100" data-end="796260">on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="796560" data-end="798380">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="798580" data-end="800680">Our executive producer is Amira Zaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="801000" data-end="802000">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="809810" data-end="814850">Coming up, the engineered diet that could defeat brain tumors, when Radio Health Journal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="814850" data-end="815250">returns.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="817530" data-end="823230">Behold, the Colonel&#8217;s giant KFC chicken sandwich, a towering extra crispy monument</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="823230" data-end="823810">to flavor.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="824450" data-end="830930">Such a huge amount of juicy, hand-breaded KFC chicken at a pretty tiny $3.99 price for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="830930" data-end="833250">the Colonel&#8217;s KFC chicken sandwich.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="833890" data-end="839430">I mean, $3.99 isn&#8217;t even worthy of the same epic soundtrack as the KFC chicken sandwich</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="839430" data-end="840570">for only $3.99.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="841070" data-end="843530">The Colonel lived so we could chicken.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="844110" data-end="846910">Prices and participation vary while supplies last, taxes, tips, and fees extra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="847090" data-end="851050">I can&#8217;t believe how spotless my floors look after using the Swiffer Power Mop.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="851050" data-end="853650">No more dragging around a heavy mop and messy bucket.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="854030" data-end="856410">Now I get the same deep clean without all the work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="856950" data-end="861110">Thanks to the powerful solution and scrubbing pad of the Swiffer Power Mop, dirt and grime</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="861110" data-end="863390">don&#8217;t stand a chance, and I don&#8217;t break a sweat.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="863910" data-end="866730">Mic drop, I mean, mop drop.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="870830" data-end="872270">A smarter way to mop.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="872650" data-end="873830">Try it or your money back.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="882780" data-end="887240">Though neurons are the cell you probably think of first when talking about the brain, did</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="887240" data-end="889960">you know they have a host of bodyguards keeping them safe?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="890500" data-end="895160">Glia are cells that provide support and protection for neurons and are a vital part of keeping</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="895160" data-end="896520">your body functioning properly.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="896920" data-end="901340">As you can imagine, cells with such a big responsibility can be destructive if they</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="901340" data-end="902100">become mutated.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="902480" data-end="907320">For example, glioblastoma, the most common type of brain cancer, is super aggressive.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="907960" data-end="912620">Many patients are given a life expectancy of one or two years after diagnosis, and that&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="912620" data-end="913900">with the help of treatment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="914280" data-end="919800">In many cases, we recommend either surgery to take out tumor as much of it as possible</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="919800" data-end="921960">or a biopsy to establish a diagnosis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="922540" data-end="927600">After surgery, patients will typically undergo standard therapies, that is a combination</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="927600" data-end="932820">of chemotherapy, a drug called temozolomide, and radiation, and that&#8217;s been our standard</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="932820" data-end="935540">treatment for almost 20 years now.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="935960" data-end="941240">And despite these treatments being around for so long, we have not really identified</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="941240" data-end="943340">better treatments for these tumors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="943920" data-end="948100">That&#8217;s Dr. Wajid Al-Hallou, a neurosurgeon and assistant professor in the Department</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="948100" data-end="950560">of Neurosurgery at the University of Michigan.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="951140" data-end="955940">Despite being able to remove much of the tumor in some cases, Al-Hallou says it&#8217;s never</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="955940" data-end="958160">enough to outrun the cancer&#8217;s rapid growth.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="958680" data-end="962620">Sometimes we can achieve something called a gross total resection, meaning we have removed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="962620" data-end="964420">everything that is visible on the MRI.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="965340" data-end="969520">But the reality is, even if we achieve this extensive resection, the tumor is actually</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="969520" data-end="970180">beyond that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="970300" data-end="975720">It has traveled centimeters into the brain, and so even though surgery has shown to help</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="975720" data-end="981660">improve prognosis, survival, and quality of life, etc., it does not cure the tumors.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="982360" data-end="986180">Glioblastomas are so hard to treat partly because no two tumors are the same.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="986740" data-end="991020">There are significant genetic differences, which makes it tough to develop a drug that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="991020" data-end="992740">would be effective for multiple patients.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="993380" data-end="997540">However, the one factor that these tumors have in common is that they all need to consume</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="997540" data-end="999800">energy in order to survive and spread.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1000540" data-end="1004420">And though there&#8217;s been a lot of research around cancer, Al-Hallou says the one area</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1004420" data-end="1009560">that&#8217;s been overlooked is what these cancerous cells use and how they metabolize energy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1010180" data-end="1014100">Al-Hallou and a team of researchers sought out to uncover these mysteries with their</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1014100" data-end="1016020">new paper published in the journal Nature.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1016620" data-end="1020360">They had guessed that glucose was a good place to start their search since all living</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1020360" data-end="1021120">cells use it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1021340" data-end="1026819">It&#8217;s a common source of carbon, it&#8217;s how our cells run most of their metabolic processes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1027560" data-end="1033160">But the reality is, one cell in the body may use glucose to do one thing, so your brain</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1033160" data-end="1037920">may use glucose to make neurotransmitters, your liver may make enzymes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1037920" data-end="1040440">But we don&#8217;t know what the cancer cell is using it for.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1040560" data-end="1044900">So if we know what that cancer cell is using that glucose for, then we can attack that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1044900" data-end="1045240">pathway.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1045400" data-end="1046619">We can block that pathway.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1047160" data-end="1049500">This research project is unique in two ways.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1049800" data-end="1053460">The first is that it&#8217;s a deep dive into the metabolic processes of tumors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1053920" data-end="1058540">And second is that it brought together various teams of researchers to contribute their expertise.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1059340" data-end="1063380">Glioma metabolism has been studied in the past, but not in the way that we have done</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1063380" data-end="1064020">it as a group.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1064020" data-end="1069600">I think what we&#8217;ve realized in the brain tumor world is that the old-fashioned model of one</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1069600" data-end="1072620">scientist discovering things on their own just doesn&#8217;t really work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1073000" data-end="1078560">You need people who have significant knowledge and expertise in every specialty to make</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1078560" data-end="1079080">things work.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1079500" data-end="1085080">So you need metabolomics experts, you need bioinformatics and engineering experts, you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1085080" data-end="1087200">need neurosurgeons, you need radiation oncologists.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1087280" data-end="1091520">Without that, you&#8217;ll never really get to the real truth about these tumors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1092400" data-end="1095380">And importantly, you won&#8217;t be able to impact patients&#8217; lives.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1095900" data-end="1097760">The group used two methods in their study.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1098060" data-end="1102360">They started with isotope tracing, which is a way to follow a certain nutrient, in this</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1102360" data-end="1104220">case glucose, through parts of the body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1104940" data-end="1109000">Al-Hallouz says that while this is a common technique, it hasn&#8217;t been widely utilized</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1109000" data-end="1110560">in glioblastoma research.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1111120" data-end="1115280">The second advancement the team was able to utilize was seeing how the tumors acted in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1115280" data-end="1116120">human patients.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1116640" data-end="1121020">And most of the time when people study glioma, we&#8217;re often studying it in a cell line in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1121020" data-end="1123000">a dish or in a mouse model.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1123580" data-end="1127180">And these are important ways for us to study disease, especially brain tumors.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1127620" data-end="1132800">But to really know the truth about how a brain tumor behaves in a patient, in a human being,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1133160" data-end="1134720">we need to study it in patients.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1134940" data-end="1140040">And that&#8217;s really the major leap that we made, is that we were able to study in patients</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1140040" data-end="1145500">and we&#8217;re able to compare the tumor to the brain of that patient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1146040" data-end="1147580">So that&#8217;s what was really unique.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1147580" data-end="1151940">And that gave us the opportunity to make these amazing observations and discoveries that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1151940" data-end="1152740">I&#8217;d never seen before.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1153200" data-end="1156760">All of their experiments were first done in mouse models, then they were able to give</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1156760" data-end="1161360">human patients glucose during resection surgeries and send a sample of the removed tumor to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1161360" data-end="1162400">their lab for inspection.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1162940" data-end="1167060">Their research revealed an exciting finding of how the cancer cells are obtaining and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1167060" data-end="1167920">using glucose.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1168480" data-end="1173960">The cancer cell&#8217;s priority is to grow really fast, divide, and invade into the brain.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1174280" data-end="1176560">So it has to do a lot with very limited resources.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1177060" data-end="1182540">So it shuttles a lot of its glucose to making these purines and pyrimidines to help the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1182540" data-end="1183080">tumors grow.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1183500" data-end="1187560">They also need other things to maintain their cellular processes and to survive.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1188360" data-end="1191780">And so they end up, instead of making them, they end up essentially like stealing them</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1191780" data-end="1192460">from the environment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1193120" data-end="1194740">So it ends up using less energy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1195020" data-end="1196140">You don&#8217;t have to make it from scratch.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1196560" data-end="1198320">You essentially borrow it from somebody else.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1198700" data-end="1202760">Meaning that the cancer cells are stealing the glucose from the other healthy cells in</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1202760" data-end="1204920">the brain that need it to carry out their functions.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1205520" data-end="1210100">Al-Hallou and the team found that the tumor uses the sugar to create an amino acid called</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1210100" data-end="1212320">serine, which fuels its rapid growth.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1212680" data-end="1216380">That was an important discovery in our patient tumor samples.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1216980" data-end="1221220">And then the follow-up question was, now that we&#8217;ve discovered that these tumors require</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1221220" data-end="1225500">specific amino acids but don&#8217;t make it, can we starve them?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1225660" data-end="1228600">Can we starve these tumors of this essential nutrient?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1229020" data-end="1233660">The second part of that question is, even if you are able to starve the cancer, will</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1233660" data-end="1234080">it matter?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1234740" data-end="1236560">Will it impact the tumor&#8217;s function?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1237200" data-end="1238000">And the answer was yes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1238100" data-end="1244140">At least in our animal models, the answer is, if you starve these mouse models of serine</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1244640" data-end="1247120">specifically, the tumors don&#8217;t grow as fast.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1247660" data-end="1249600">So how do we restrict serine?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1249720" data-end="1250860">That&#8217;s a difficult question.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1250980" data-end="1255080">It&#8217;s not something that you can easily go to the grocery store and not buy the product</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1255080" data-end="1255660">that has serine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1255780" data-end="1257800">Serine unfortunately is in lots of things.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1258020" data-end="1260060">So it&#8217;s not easy to do that on your own.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1260480" data-end="1265300">The group is now collaborating with a company that&#8217;s manufacturing specific dietary products</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1265300" data-end="1267220">that don&#8217;t have any serine in them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1267760" data-end="1271780">Another option the team is looking at is developing a drug that can block the serine</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1271780" data-end="1273320">from ever getting to the cancer cell.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1273860" data-end="1277480">Restricting diet in patients is challenging because you&#8217;re talking about a patient who</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1277480" data-end="1278620">has a very bad tumor.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1279200" data-end="1282980">You&#8217;re asking them to completely change their lifestyle and their diet to help prevent the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1282980" data-end="1283640">tumor from growing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1283840" data-end="1285980">And I&#8217;m sure a lot of patients want to do it, but it&#8217;s not easy to do.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1286330" data-end="1290220">It&#8217;s something that we worry may be hard to adhere to in every patient.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1290640" data-end="1295480">But if we can find better ways to block the use of serine in the cells or the transport</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1295480" data-end="1298300">of serine to the cells, it may actually be more effective.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1299100" data-end="1301600">Which gives the team a lot more work to do moving forward.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1301860" data-end="1308500">Even though this is a huge, huge accomplishment to find how these brain tumors consume energy,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1308660" data-end="1313040">what they use glucose for, that serine is a potential vulnerable target.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1313540" data-end="1314120">It&#8217;s not the end.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1314120" data-end="1316220">The next step is the easy step.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1316400" data-end="1318300">Can we restrict serine and glycine?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1318640" data-end="1320340">Can we block serine and glycine?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1320820" data-end="1321620">Our work continues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1321720" data-end="1325480">We&#8217;re trying to find other amino acids, other nutrients that these tumors need.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1325920" data-end="1326980">So these studies continue.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1327100" data-end="1328980">We&#8217;re trying to find the next thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1329400" data-end="1334300">And the ultimate goal is we are not going to rest until we find something that is effective</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1334300" data-end="1334900">in these patients.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1335440" data-end="1339540">You can find more information about Dr. Wajid Al-Hallou and all of our guests on our website,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1340120" data-end="1341080">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1341440" data-end="1343140">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play 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story.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1389730" data-end="1397510">Dear love of my life, we were on the 12B bus this morning when I caught a whiff, a scent</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1397510" data-end="1401370">so fresh, so life-changing, I had to find its source.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1401910" data-end="1405710">Alas, I didn&#8217;t know if you were the woman in the pink freshly washed cardigan or the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1405710" data-end="1410270">retired mailman next to me, but I knew one of you was my soulmate.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1410990" data-end="1413550">Ah, the scent of Gain Fling&#8217;s.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1413870" data-end="1416470">Try Gain Fling&#8217;s with OxiBoost and Febreze.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416810" data-end="1419050">You know that expression, put a little spring in your step?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1419410" data-end="1423350">Well, whoever said it must have been talking about GlideStep hands-free sketcher slip-ins.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1423630" data-end="1428350">Because with GlideStep, you get a pillow-like soft landing, then an explosive takeoff.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1428510" data-end="1432250">It makes walking feel effortless, so springy it&#8217;s almost like you&#8217;re floating.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1432250" data-end="1436610">And speaking of effortless, have you tried hands-free sketcher slip-ins technology?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1437030" data-end="1440130">Well, GlideStep sketcher slip-ins has got it, and you need it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1440390" data-end="1444310">Just step in, no hands necessary, and instantly your shoes are on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1444530" data-end="1449030">No bending down, no touching, it takes putting on your shoes to a new level of convenience.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1449490" data-end="1453670">Whether you&#8217;re running errands, walking the dog, or on your feet all day at work, GlideStep</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1453670" data-end="1457270">keeps you comfortable from morning to night, all with the ease of slip-ins.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1457550" data-end="1461430">Plus, GlideStep sketcher slip-ins are available in styles for men, women, and kids.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1461430" data-end="1466350">From casual to athletic to work footwear, even sandals, so you can get the comfort of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1466350" data-end="1468450">GlideStep anywhere, anytime.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1468810" data-end="1473390">Put some major spring in your step with GlideStep hands-free sketcher slip-ins at a Skechers</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1473390" data-end="1476550">store, skechers.com, or wherever stylish footwear is sold.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1479410" data-end="1481070">Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1481510" data-end="1484890">You may soon be able to detect skin cancer at home.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1485350" data-end="1490110">The ExoPatch is a silicone product that uses microneedles to pick up DNA information from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1490110" data-end="1490610">our cells.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1490950" data-end="1493970">It uses this data to detect cancerous fragments.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1494610" data-end="1499550">When tested on mice, the ExoPatch was able to specifically locate the cancerous DNA.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1500310" data-end="1504790">The scientists are now looking to do a pilot study in humans before moving into clinical</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1504790" data-end="1505390">trials.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1505930" data-end="1509590">The research is published in the journal Biosensors and Bioelectronics.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1510450" data-end="1513790">A healthy childhood may be more important than you think.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1514490" data-end="1519270">Research in the European Journal of Pediatrics reveals that your habits as a kid impact your</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1519270" data-end="1520770">physical health later in life.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1521130" data-end="1526250">Fitness habits are hard to break, so being unhealthy and inactive in early life is most</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1526250" data-end="1527710">likely how you&#8217;ll be as an adult.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1528110" data-end="1532270">The researchers are also looking into how this impacts obesity and heart disease.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1532950" data-end="1535050">We need better ALS detection.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1535730" data-end="1540910">The degenerative nervous system disease is estimated to affect 400,000 people across</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1540910" data-end="1542130">the globe by 2040.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1542690" data-end="1547430">Sadly, there&#8217;s not currently a diagnostic test, but researchers have been working on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1547430" data-end="1551450">identifying a marker that can catch ALS years before symptoms appear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1551910" data-end="1556490">The research, published in Nature Medicine, shows that specific proteins in blood can</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1556490" data-end="1558650">detect the disease with significant accuracy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1559250" data-end="1564310">This would give researchers time to find effective treatments before ALS becomes debilitating.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1565150" data-end="1568990">And finally, is binge-watching TV good for your mental recall?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1569570" data-end="1573530">Binge-watching has become a popular way to consume your favorite show, and researchers</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1573530" data-end="1575030">say it may have some benefits.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1575410" data-end="1579990">A new study in Acta Psychologica reveals that people who engage in marathon viewing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1579990" data-end="1584510">are more likely to remember stories and engage with the content even after watching it through</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1584510" data-end="1585070">imagination.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1585850" data-end="1587670">And that&#8217;s Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1588050" data-end="1589630">I&#8217;m Maayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1589950" data-end="1590590">You hear that?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1592570" data-end="1596070">That&#8217;s Mike sleeping soundly on a Sunday night.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1597470" data-end="1599350">That&#8217;s because Mike was smart this time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1599350" data-end="1605010">He took Zequel Ultra to fall asleep fast, stay asleep longer, and get the deeply restorative</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1605010" data-end="1605770">sleep he needs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1606030" data-end="1609010">So now he wakes up refreshed and ready to conquer Mondays.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1609750" data-end="1611310">Let&#8217;s do this, Monday.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1611770" data-end="1612590">Zequel Ultra.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1613010" data-end="1614970">Not for colds, just for sleep.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1615310" data-end="1617130">Really great sleep.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1617410" data-end="1618010">Use as directed.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1618190" data-end="1619110">Keep out of reach of children.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1619790" data-end="1622430">Oh, could this vintage store be any cuter?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1622570" data-end="1622890">Right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1623090" data-end="1623910">And the best part?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1624050" data-end="1625050">They accept Discover.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1625450" data-end="1626150">Accept Discover?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1626330" data-end="1627890">In a little place like this?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1627890" data-end="1629350">I don&#8217;t think so, Jennifer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1629630" data-end="1630430">Oh, yeah, huh.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1630770" data-end="1632630">Discover&#8217;s accepted where I like to shop.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1632790" data-end="1634650">Come on, baby, get with the times.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1635330" data-end="1635850">Right.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1636110" data-end="1638230">So we shouldn&#8217;t get the parachute pants?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1638630" data-end="1639870">These are making a comeback.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1641170" data-end="1642210">I think.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1642810" data-end="1646310">Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1646830" data-end="1649290">Based on the February 2025 Nielsen Report.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1652050" data-end="1656370">Thank you for joining us this week, and every week, as we break down the science stories</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1656370" data-end="1657170">you need to know.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1657480" data-end="1662070">You can find all of our past segments and guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1662270" data-end="1664110">or wherever you listen to podcasts.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1664470" 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									<p> </p><h3 data-start="669" data-end="696"><strong data-start="673" data-end="694">Major Takeaways</strong></h3><ul data-start="697" data-end="1107"><li data-start="697" data-end="838"><p data-start="699" data-end="838">HIV survivors still face stigma despite medical progress, with stories like Keith Green’s highlighting resilience and ongoing challenges.</p></li><li data-start="839" data-end="967"><p data-start="841" data-end="967">Immigrant doctors play a critical role in U.S. healthcare but struggle against racism, visa restrictions, and systemic bias.</p></li><li data-start="968" data-end="1107"><p data-start="970" data-end="1107">The healthcare system remains deeply influenced by social inequities, showing that progress in medicine doesn’t always erase prejudice.</p></li></ul><h2 class="entry-title">Everyone Has A Status: The Fight To End HIV | Do Americans Have A Prejudice Against Immigrant Doctors?</h2><p>You&#8217;re listening to Radio Health Journal, the trusted news source for medicine, science and<br />technology. I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield. I&#8217;m Mayan Vasta Betancourt.<br />And I&#8217;m Greg Johnson. This week, immigrant doctors are crucial to U.S. health care, but they&#8217;re<br />frequently disrespected. If they were working with white patients, often the white patient would<br />not respect their authority and would ask them to go find the real doctor.<br />But first, if we have so many effective tools to fight HIV, why is it still an epidemic? And I just<br />remember taking that train ride all the way back home and feeling like my life was over. My<br />very young 17-year-old life was already coming to an end. All that and more this week on Radio<br />Health Journal.<br />Shop the Sherwin-Williams Super Sale and get 40% off paints and stains September 19th<br />through the 24th. With prices starting at $29.39, it&#8217;s the perfect time to transform your space<br />with color. 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In 1994, Keith Green was in his<br />last year of high school, excited for whatever surprises the future had in store.<br />Maybe he&#8217;d go to college or move to a new city where he could make an impact. Green was<br />already an active member of his community and had been spending the last few months of his<br />high school career helping set up an annual blood drive. Initially wasn&#8217;t planning to donate<br />blood because I was a little scared of passing out.<br />Kind of a cool kid, I didn&#8217;t want people to see that, didn&#8217;t want to ruin my reputation. So I wasn&#8217;t<br />going to donate. However, my girlfriend at the time sort of convinced me that I had to.<br />You have to lead by example, that sort of thing. And so I did. A couple of weeks later, I got a<br />letter from LifeSource, who was the company who had done the blood drive for us, pretty much<br />suggesting that I don&#8217;t donate any more blood and that I make an appointment to come into<br />their offices.<br />It was a vague letter that left way too much room for Green&#8217;s imagination to run wild. He knew<br />sickle cell anemia runs in his family. Had they detected it in his blood? After they refused to give<br />Green any more information over the phone, he set up an appointment and hopped on the<br />train after school.<br />The woman sat me down and she basically just said, did you know that you were HIV positive?<br />And of course I didn&#8217;t know. I was in complete shock. I don&#8217;t remember a whole lot about the<br />rest of that interaction.<br />It was very like a blur, still a blur. I don&#8217;t remember a whole lot of it. But I do remember that she<br />gave me some information, some pamphlets, stuff like that to read and review.<br />And I just remember taking that train ride all the way back home and feeling like my life was<br />over. My very young 17-year-old life was already coming to an end. Human immunodeficiency<br />virus, or HIV, is an infection that weakens the immune system until patients are unable to fight<br />off any illness.<br />There&#8217;s no cure. And though we now have various treatments to help patients keep their<br />infection under control, that wasn&#8217;t the case in 1994. Average lifespan for people living with HIV<br />at that time was 8 to 10 years.<br />We didn&#8217;t have all of the medications that we have now. The Lazarus effect, if you will, wasn&#8217;t a<br />thing at that time. Protease inhibitors didn&#8217;t exist.<br />So I had no real reason to believe that I&#8217;d live longer than 8 to 10 years. Though there weren&#8217;t<br />many options, Green was able to go on three different drugs that he was prescribed to take a<br />couple times a day. And I remember that one of them was this sort of big, white, quarter-sized,<br />chalky pill that you had to take on an empty stomach.<br />And it tasted horrible. It was just absolutely disgusting. And I also remember just feeling<br />lethargic, nauseous, you know, not well.<br />And I started taking medications around the same time that I started my first semester of<br />college. I actually started at <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/trey-reed-21-found-hanging-at-delta-state-fbi-monitoring-ben-crump-demands-answers-and-community-pushes-for-a-full-independent-investigation/">Columbia College</a>. And it was just so dreadful that I just stopped.<br />It was a decision between Green&#8217;s mental health or his medication, a choice that stretched for<br />eight years before his doctor made sure Green knew it was becoming a choice between life and<br />death. When they drew my labs, I had a T-cell count of 30, and my viral load was well into the<br />hundreds of thousands. And so I was told at that time that, you know, if I didn&#8217;t get on<br />medications, it was likely I wouldn&#8217;t survive.<br />I had some friends who lived here and then moved to Charlotte, North Carolina. I moved to<br />Charlotte really because I didn&#8217;t want my family to witness what I was going through. I started<br />to lose a great deal of weight, was really sick for a period of time.<br />So I literally went there to die. Though he desperately needed medical care, Green says<br />accessing it was nearly impossible without insurance. To access the public health system there,<br />there was a phone number that you had to call between eight and nine in the morning.<br />That&#8217;s the only time you could call to get an appointment. And generally, those appointments<br />were, the available appointments for that day were gone before you got to nine o&#8217;clock. So I<br />had to go through several days of making an appointment.<br />And I remember when I finally was able to get an appointment, we were a couple of months<br />out. So it was just a nightmare trying to access health care in Charlotte, North Carolina.<br />Thankfully, a friend was able to help Green out, and he found a specialist who immediately put<br />Green back on a treatment plan.<br />But by this time, he had let the disease progress so far, there was still a chance he wouldn&#8217;t<br />make it. I was hospitalized for several weeks. You know, I&#8217;m 6&#8217;4&#8243;, average weight was at that<br />time about 190, 195 pounds.<br />I withered away to about 144 pounds and was literally at one point given six months to a year<br />to live. Against all odds, Green&#8217;s numbers began to turn around. Instead of a sure death<br />sentence, he once again began imagining a possible future.<br />The doctor handed him a copy of a magazine called Positively Aware&#8217;s 2002 HIV Drug Guide.<br />And Green began to map out his next steps. And I kind of made a pact with myself in that<br />moment that if I got back to Chicago, I would seek out this place because obviously there had<br />been all of these advances in medications that I didn&#8217;t know a whole lot about.<br />And people were living and I needed to, they had information that I needed to get. So I needed<br />to get there. Green did eventually end up back in Chicago and worked his way up the ranks at<br />the magazine, becoming an associate editor.<br />He went on to become a co-founder of the Chicago Black Gay Men&#8217;s Caucus, of which he is now<br />the executive director. The organization aims to end HIV by increasing health equity and<br />developing innovative programs. And though HIV.gov reports that cases dropped 12 percent<br />between 2018 and 2022, there&#8217;s still a lot of obstacles that prevention programs face.<br />Green says a main issue is stigma. It keeps people from ever having these important<br />conversations with their doctors. There&#8217;s still many medical professionals who don&#8217;t believe in<br />PrEP and stigmatize or shame folks for asking for it or using it.<br />I think that there&#8217;s a great deal of what we call slut shaming, where, you know, if folks are on<br />PrEP, they&#8217;re assumed to be promiscuous. And so then that also leads to the like, I&#8217;m not<br />promiscuous. I don&#8217;t need that.<br />Right. But any encounter could potentially put you at risk. And so it doesn&#8217;t matter whether<br />you&#8217;re promiscuous or not.<br />If you are sexually active, PrEP is something that is for you. One of the things we know is that<br />stigma is a big driver of why we haven&#8217;t gone to where we need to be. There&#8217;s a lot of stigma.<br />And until we end stigma, we can&#8217;t end HIV. That&#8217;s Dr. Toyin Nwafor, executive director of U.S.<br />HIV Medical Affairs at Gilead Sciences. She says that stigma can drastically reduce the number<br />of people getting tested and their willingness to continue care.<br />If they&#8217;re going into spaces where they don&#8217;t feel affirmed, they feel judged, they feel like<br />somebody sees me going to that clinic. Right. So then people stop taking their meds.<br />Stigma impacts somebody&#8217;s mental health and ability to stay on therapy. If you just keep<br />feeling like every time you take that pill, it reminds you of just how you felt the first time you<br />got that diagnosis. So stigma is such a big part.<br />So initiatives that normalize conversation, that normalize that we&#8217;re all HIV possible, that if<br />you&#8217;re sexually active, there are ways to prevent HIV, and that nobody cares about how you&#8217;re<br />having sex and who you&#8217;re having sex with. That&#8217;s your personal life and that&#8217;s your personal<br />choice. And that routinizing that conversation is what needs to happen.<br />If you&#8217;ve never gotten tested for HIV, you&#8217;re part of the majority in America. Despite the CDC<br />issuing guidelines in 2006 that everyone over age 13 should be tested at least once, only about<br />36 percent of adults have. Nwafor says part of the hesitancy has to do with how HIV testing<br />began.<br />Initially, right, with the first few cases of people living with HIV diagnosed, it was thought to be<br />only in certain risk groups, right, men who have sex with men or injection drug use. So some of<br />those initial tests and how health care providers thought was very located in certain<br />populations. That has changed clearly over the last three and a half decades.<br />But it&#8217;s taking people a long time to catch on, not just community, but also health care<br />providers. Nwafor says that the test has become more mainstream in certain cases. It&#8217;s become<br />a routine part of prenatal testing panels for pregnant women and for anyone wanting to take<br />HIV preventative medication.<br />But there&#8217;s still a big discrepancy between recommendations on what&#8217;s actually happening. And<br />there are many times when people who have been engaging in health care assume they&#8217;ve<br />actually had an HIV test. When they go in and say test me for everything, they assume that their<br />health care provider did it already.<br />So there&#8217;s still a lot of work to be done about why it&#8217;s not happening. And some of it has to do<br />with health care provider bias, comfort or discomfort in having the conversation where they&#8217;re<br />practicing. And that&#8217;s why the CDC took out risk based testing and just said if people are<br />sexually active, they should have an HIV test.<br />And that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going to happen. That&#8217;s the only way we&#8217;re going to kind of move forward<br />with getting it done. Which is why Nwafor believes that many of the HIV prevention initiatives<br />that focus on community outreach must also include the broader scope of health care<br />professionals.<br />For her and Green, the most effective message will educate the patients, doctors and<br />pharmaceutical companies. You have these innovative technologies that literally could prevent<br />someone from contracting HIV that just in 2025 still remain out of reach. With Gilead Sciences,<br />there&#8217;s been a commitment for, you know, 35 years now, right, to innovation in medication<br />discovery, right, not just in HIV, but also in viral hepatitis, right, a lot of curative therapy for<br />hepatitis, in oncology, right, in oncology, in liver disease.<br />But what&#8217;s clear is that medications and products don&#8217;t end epidemics. Programs do, right,<br />because a medicine is only as good as getting to the right person at the right time when they<br />need it, how they need to use it. Nwafor believes that public-private partnerships between HIV<br />advocacy groups and health care companies are the bridge between innovation and real life<br />impact.<br />The health care system and partnerships within the patient community and pharma and<br />academia and public health needs to come into play so that we can actually take interventions<br />and actually make them tangible and real for people who need them the most. You can find<br />more information about Dr. Toyin Nwafor, Keith Green and all of our guests on our website,<br />RadioHealthJournal.org. For more behind the scenes, follow Radio Health Journal on Facebook,<br />Instagram and Twitter at RadioHealthJournal. And I&#8217;m Kristin Ferra.<br />And I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield. And I&#8217;m Kristin Ferra. And I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.<br />Coming up, how will current immigration policies impact America&#8217;s health care workforce?<br />When Radio Health Journal returns. I&#8217;m still going for it, even with higher stroke risk from atrial<br />fibrillation and a regular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. Over a three year<br />study, Eloquus apixopan tablets reduced stroke risk better than warfarin.<br />And over 97 percent of Eloquus patients did not experience a stroke. A first stroke occurred in<br />2.9 percent of warfarin patients versus 2.3 percent of Eloquus patients. Don&#8217;t stop prescription<br />Eloquus without asking your doctor.<br />Stroke risk may increase. Eloquus can cause serious and potentially fatal bleeding. Don&#8217;t take if<br />you have an artificial heart valve, abnormal bleeding or antiphospholipid syndrome.<br />While taking, you may bruise more easily or bleed longer. A spinal injection increases blood clot<br />risk, which may cause paralysis. Get medical help right away for unexpected bleeding or<br />bruising or back pain, tingling, numbness, muscle weakness or incontinence.<br />Aspirin products, NSAIDs, SSRIs, SNRIs and blood thinners increase bleeding risk. Tell your<br />doctor about planned medical or dental procedures. Learn more at Eloquus.com or call 1-855<br />ELOQUUS.<br />Immigrant doctors play a crucial role in the U.S. health care system, serving patients in parts of<br />the country where there&#8217;s a shortage of doctors. These highly qualified medical professionals<br />from Southeast Asia and elsewhere have the same amount of training as American doctors, if<br />not more. They take the same exams as U.S.-trained professionals in order to receive their<br />accreditation or licensing to practice in the U.S. And yet many still are victims of racism and<br />other prejudices from their patients who question their skill and expertise.<br />If they were working with white patients, often the white patient would not respect their<br />authority and would ask them to go find the real doctor. There was another example of a<br />physician who was working with black patients and the black patients were judging his level of<br />medical knowledge and saying, oh, you&#8217;re from this land of snake charmers. And do you<br />actually know what you&#8217;re doing? And so I think that these physicians often from all sides would<br />experience these questions around their competence and their ability to do the work, which is,<br />you know, competence is coded for it&#8217;s a very racist kind of idea here.<br />That&#8217;s Iram Alam, associate professor of history of science at Harvard University and author of<br />The Care of Foreigners, How Immigrant Physicians Changed U.S. Healthcare. The number of<br />immigrant doctors in the U.S. is one in four. However, the ratio can be much higher in areas of<br />the country where there are physician shortages.<br />In rural hospitals, for example, it&#8217;s possible for 100 percent of physicians to be immigrants. But<br />regardless of the biases they face, these professionals work around it to give their patients the<br />best care possible. Some of that meant just kind of absorbing it.<br />Other times it meant figuring out different strategies for how they would speak to people or<br />address the patients. And often what it meant was just that over time there was a recognition<br />that this was the only physician that was available to people. And so there was almost a what<br />are you going to do? It&#8217;s either this or nothing.<br />Although some patients may choose to do nothing, Alam says more often than not, most<br />choose to see the foreign specialist. It&#8217;s a really complicated dynamic, especially because having<br />an encounter with a physician is such an intimate encounter. It&#8217;s such a vulnerable kind of<br />encounter.<br />So in some ways, I think that that I&#8217;m not sure if it makes it worse or if it makes it less bad in<br />that way. Like you&#8217;re coming from a place of actually really requiring this care and being<br />vulnerable to it as well. So I think it takes time.<br />I think it&#8217;s taken persistence on the part of immigrant physicians and their presence and having<br />to prove themselves and having to prove their competence often. But, you know, on their part,<br />it feels like it&#8217;s a well, a the conditions of their legal entry in the United States and also, I think, a<br />commitment to the profession and a commitment to providing care. The U.S. government has a<br />long history of recruiting foreign doctors to staff what are called health professional shortage<br />areas or HPSAs.<br />The practice started at the end of World War II and has continued ever since. Health profession<br />shortage areas are these designations that the federal government makes where there are<br />fewer than one physician for 3,500 people who live in those areas. And these designations can<br />be all over.<br />So they can be in rural communities, they can be in urban centers. But it just means that there<br />is an inadequate number of physicians to the populations. So these often are areas that are<br />impoverished, under-resourced, and they&#8217;re not attractive places that U.S.-trained physicians<br />would like to go and work because the conditions are, they&#8217;re difficult to work in.<br />Immigrant doctors who are here on a J-1 visa have to return to their home country for at least<br />two years after completing their training. To bypass this requirement, they can choose to work<br />full-time in an HPSA, medically underserved area, or medically underserved population for at<br />least three years. However, Allam believes that this practice of recruiting foreign doctors is<br />simply putting a bandage on a bigger problem.<br />She believes medical students should be cultivated from rural or underserved areas in the<br />hopes that they&#8217;ll return to serve their home communities. Otherwise, there&#8217;s no incentive for<br />doctors to want to practice there. Allam says another factor in these shortage areas is the cost<br />of medical school.<br />One of the reasons why I chose not to go to medical school and to go to Ph.D. school was I<br />didn&#8217;t come from a wealthy family. And the idea of taking on that much debt was too<br />overwhelming. And so what happens then is you end up getting these shortages.<br />Also, it&#8217;s shortage of specialties. So things like internal medicine, family medicine, pediatrics,<br />the specialties that are not as lucrative are the ones that immigrant physicians are often trained<br />in or are sent to go and receive training. And because U.S.-trained physicians, they want to<br />work in specialties where they can get paid more so they can also pay off their debt faster and<br />not be in these excruciating kinds of cycles of educational debt.<br />Allam believes the health care systems in Canada and the United Kingdom provide a more<br />judicial model that tends to limit doctor shortages to some degree. Physicians are salaried<br />government employees, part of the national health care system. And so the ways that they are<br />asked to move and work and that work is organized, of course, they still have shortages and are<br />dealing with similar kinds of issues.<br />But the distribution of how people are organized is different than it is in the United States,<br />where it&#8217;s really based on a much more, I mean, it&#8217;s a free market logic. And the ways that<br />people are compensated is based on their geographic proximity to other practitioners. That&#8217;s<br />how insurance allocates reimbursements.<br />This is not going to incentivize people to go and work in rural areas or under-resourced<br />hospitals in urban areas at all. For U.S.-trained physicians, for immigrant physicians, that&#8217;s<br />what&#8217;s available to them. And so they end up going there.<br />And though these physicians are working where no one else is willing to, they still face blatant<br />prejudice. Thankfully, Allum says celebrity doctors such as Abraham Verghese have helped to<br />dispel some of the implicit biases some American patients have toward immigrant doctors.<br />However, it&#8217;s possible that these physicians won&#8217;t be able to continue this custom.<br />The current immigration policies have created pretty big obstacles for international medical<br />graduates. Visa delays could drastically impact America&#8217;s workforce and, in turn, worsen many<br />Americans&#8217; access to health care. These physicians and immigrant nurses and other kinds of<br />care workers in long-term care facilities are so vitally important to the functioning of the U.S.<br />health care system.<br />And the kinds of erratic and xenophobic immigration policies that are being enacted right now<br />are going to have a very adverse effect on the health of the U.S. population. Allum&#8217;s book, The<br />Care of Foreigners, How Immigrant Physicians Changed U.S. Health Care, is available now for<br />preorder. You can find more information about Iram Allum and all of our guests on our<br />website, RadioHealthJournal.org. For more behind the scenes, follow Radio Health Journal on<br />Facebook, Instagram and X. Our writer producer this week is Polly Hanson.<br />Our lead producer is Kristen Farrah. Our production manager is Jason Dickey. I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.<br />Radio Health Journal returns in just a moment. Oh, could this vintage store be any cuter? Right.<br />And the best part, they accept Discover.<br />Accept Discover? In a little place like this? I don&#8217;t think so, Jennifer. Oh, yeah, huh. Discover&#8217;s<br />accepted where I like to shop.<br />Come on, baby. Get with the times. Right.<br />So we shouldn&#8217;t get the parachute pants? These are making a comeback. I think we&#8217;re going to<br />have to wait a little bit longer. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards<br />nationwide.<br />Based on the February 2025 Nielsen report. At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about<br />going to the bathroom in public. So we decided to sing about it.<br />Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear has the same softness you love. Now with wavy edges that tear<br />better than the leading one-ply brand. Enjoy the go with Charmin.<br />Progressive knows if you have to choose between everyday life and your RV, RV wins. What are<br />you going to take the RV to the mountains or go pick up your dry cleaning? RV wins! Are we<br />cleaning the gutters or taking the RV camping? RV wins! Are we getting a new passport or<br />cruising up the coast? RV wins! Don&#8217;t forget, you got that trip to Sweden coming up. Oh, yeah.<br />Passport, then RV. With Progressive, you can bundle your RV with your home or auto and save<br />with a discount and spend more time enjoying those savings in your RV. Progressive Casualty<br />Insurance Company affiliates other insurers not available in all states and situations.<br />Oh, how&#8217;s that flu, babe? Did you take Dayquil Intense Flu yet? Nah, I got this. Okay, I don&#8217;t got<br />this. You stay on the couch and I&#8217;ll grab the Dayquil.<br />Undo your flu symptoms with Dayquil Intense Flu. Dayquil Intense Flu provides powerful relief<br />of your flu symptoms. I&#8217;m ready for that to-do list.<br />Wow, you do got this. Dayquil Intense Flu. The daytime coughing, aching, aching, fever, undo<br />your flu medicine.<br />Use as directed. Keep out of reach of children. Medical Notes this week.<br />Are you taking too many medications? In a review of nearly 2,000 older adults, about one in<br />three took five or more prescription drugs. These people had worse balance, weaker grip<br />strength and walked slower than their peers. Researchers believe it&#8217;s not necessarily the type of<br />drugs that are contributing to this difference, but simply the sheer number of them.<br />The research, published in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, supports the need for<br />physicians to consider a patient&#8217;s functional health when prescribing. Your blood may soon<br />have tiny robots flowing through it. Drugs administered through IVs aren&#8217;t often as precise as<br />they need to be, so researchers have found a solution.<br />Robots. These micro-devices are injected and then moved to a specific target area using<br />magnets. The scientists hope this will help patients get the most out of their medications.<br />The study is published in the journal Science Advances. We can detect more cases of<br />Alzheimer&#8217;s disease, so why aren&#8217;t we? New research shows that a majority of older Americans<br />understand why early detection is important, but only one in five have had a recent cognitive<br />screening. The numbers are even lower for Hispanic and Asian Americans.<br />These early screenings are important to help slow the disease as early as possible. The research<br />is published in Alzheimer&#8217;s and Dementia, Diagnosis, Assessment and Disease Monitoring. And<br />finally, a new fix for carbon monoxide poisoning.<br />Just over 1,000 Americans die from CO poisoning each year. Thankfully, a new protein-based<br />therapy helps the body rapidly get rid of the carbon monoxide through urine. The research is<br />published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.<br />And that&#8217;s Medical Notes this week. I&#8217;m Maayan Vastabetancourt. Do Crohn&#8217;s disease or<br />ulcerative colitis symptoms keep coming back? Tremphaya, gaselkomab, may help, with rapid<br />remission achieved at 12 weeks and lasting clinical remission at one year.<br />Some even saw visible improvement of their intestinal lining at 12 weeks and one year.<br />Tremphaya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active<br />Crohn&#8217;s disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis. Serious allergic<br />reactions and increased risk of infections and liver problems may occur.<br />Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor<br />if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or if you need a vaccine. Healing is possible with<br />Tremphaya.<br />Approximately 3 out of 10 patients were in endoscopic remission at one year, based on areas<br />visualized on colonoscopy, which may not represent the deeper bowel layer or entire GI tract.<br />Individual results may vary. Ask your doctor about Tremphaya today.<br />Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tremphayaradio.com. Thank you for joining us this<br />week and every week as we break down the science stories you need to know. You can find all<br />of our past segments and guests on our website, radiohealthjournal.org, or wherever you listen<br />to podcasts. Follow us on Instagram, Facebook, and X for daily content.<br />And tune in next week for another edition of Radio Health Journal.</p>								</div>
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									<p> </p><p class="ds-markdown-paragraph"><strong>Major Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li><p class="ds-markdown-paragraph">The notion that <strong>all suicides are preventable</strong> is a damaging myth that can increase guilt and shame for loss survivors, as some individuals do not show clear warning signs.</p></li><li><p class="ds-markdown-paragraph"><strong>Suicide is often an impulsive act</strong>, and one of the most effective prevention strategies is creating time and space between a person in crisis and lethal means.</p></li><li><p class="ds-markdown-paragraph"><strong>Listening without judgment</strong> is one of the most powerful tools for helping someone experiencing suicidal thoughts, as it provides connection and can de-escalate a crisis.</p></li></ul><h2>Are All Suicides Preventable? Debunking Myths and Understanding the Complex Reality</h2><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="2410" data-end="6950">You&#8217;re listening to Radio Health Journal, the trusted news source for medicine, science</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="6950" data-end="7750">and technology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="8330" data-end="9790">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="10170" data-end="11830">I&#8217;m Mayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="12070" data-end="12970">And I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="13370" data-end="17150">This week, why do older drugs have so many more quality issues?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="17450" data-end="20670">If you think of most industries, you would think companies would get better, you know,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="20710" data-end="21410">through the learning curve.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="21450" data-end="24210">They would get better and better at making the products that they&#8217;re making.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="24390" data-end="27970">But in this industry, the older drugs are the drugs that have kind of run the race to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="27970" data-end="28290">the bottom.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="28290" data-end="31670">But first, are all suicides truly preventable?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="31970" data-end="35130">Not every person with thoughts of suicide shows us a sign.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="35430" data-end="38130">They might protect their loved ones and family from that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="38310" data-end="40010">They might be showing someone else a sign.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="40190" data-end="42210">And it&#8217;s quite possible there are no signs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="42670" data-end="45090">All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="48570" data-end="51190">My perfect day has sand, salt, water and friends.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="51490" data-end="54730">But my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis can take me out of the moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="55130" data-end="60430">Now I&#8217;m all in with clearer skin thanks to Sky Rizzi, Rizin Kizumab Rizza, a prescription-only</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="60430" data-end="65210">150 mg injection for adults who are candidates for systemic or phototherapy.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting 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rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="80710" data-end="82290">lower ability to fight them may occur.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="82290" data-end="84930">Before treatment, get checked for infections and tuberculosis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="85330" data-end="87650">Tell your doctor about any flu-like symptoms or vaccines.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="88470" data-end="92510">Thanks to Sky Rizzi, there&#8217;s nothing on my skin and that means everything.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="96360" data-end="101060">Ask your doctor about Sky Rizzi, the number one dermatologist-prescribed biologic in psoriasis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="101260" data-end="105140">Visit SkyRizzi.com or call 1-866-SKYRIZZI to learn more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="115540" data-end="118820">Fall is here and signs of transition are everywhere.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="119300" data-end="122220">It&#8217;s a time when most of us feel renewed and optimistic.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="122900" data-end="125920">But September is also National Suicide Prevention Month.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="126380" data-end="128639">Unfortunately, it&#8217;s a year-round issue.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="129259" data-end="133140">During the month of April, more people take their own lives than any other time of year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="133680" data-end="138480">The myth that suicide rates reach their peak during the holidays is just that, a myth.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="138880" data-end="139800">Here&#8217;s another one.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="140180" data-end="142080">Every suicide death is preventable.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="142440" data-end="147980">In fact, no matter how well-intentioned, alert, and diligent people&#8217;s efforts may be, there&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="147980" data-end="152840">no way of preventing all suicides from occurring, as stated by the Nevada Division of Public</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="152840" data-end="155380">and Behavioral Health Office of Suicide Prevention.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="156000" data-end="163160">We strive for 100% suicide prevention, but people are complex, hence suicide prevention</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="163160" data-end="164520">is equally complex.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="165180" data-end="167980">We don&#8217;t know always those signs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="168200" data-end="172940">We aren&#8217;t always aware of those signs, but also not every person with thoughts of suicide</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="172940" data-end="174580">shows us a sign.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="174580" data-end="177720">They might protect their loved ones and family from that.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="177880" data-end="182320">They might be showing someone else a sign, and it&#8217;s quite possible there are no signs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="182600" data-end="184100">I do believe that is rare.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="184960" data-end="190500">Most people do show some indication that they&#8217;re struggling and having thoughts of suicide</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="191140" data-end="193900">or struggling with other mental health concerns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="194320" data-end="198460">That&#8217;s Misty Vaughn-Allen, Suicide Prevention Coordinator with the state of Nevada in the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="198460" data-end="200280">Division of Public and Behavioral Health.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="200760" data-end="205340">She says the notion that all suicides can be prevented is hurtful and inaccurate.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="206120" data-end="211980">In 2022, the CDC recorded almost 50,000 deaths by suicide in the U.S., so it&#8217;s an important</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="211980" data-end="215240">distinction to make, especially for suicide loss survivors.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="215840" data-end="221200">Yes, suicide prevention is a great thing, and I&#8217;m glad to see the new hotline number</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="221200" data-end="227640">and all of the good work that American Foundation for Suicide Prevention is doing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="228060" data-end="235260">I would argue that not all suicides are preventable, and perhaps I say that because my daughter&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="235260" data-end="236960">wasn&#8217;t and I wasn&#8217;t able to.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="237280" data-end="242740">So maybe I&#8217;m being defensive about it, but I&#8217;ve talked to many other parents who bristle</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="242740" data-end="243680">at the idea.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="244320" data-end="249900">That&#8217;s Eileen Vorbach-Collins, author of Love in the Archives, a patchwork of true stories</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="249900" data-end="251200">about suicide loss.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="251680" data-end="255180">Her daughter, Lydia, took her own life 24 years ago.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="255740" data-end="257459">Lydia was 15 years old.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="257920" data-end="264600">Certainly, my daughter had mental health issues and had her own clinical diagnoses and was</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="264600" data-end="270340">hospitalized. And it wasn&#8217;t that I didn&#8217;t see what we like to call the signs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="271060" data-end="275860">And that&#8217;s one of the issues I have with the whole idea of getting on the prevention</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="275860" data-end="281740">bandwagon.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="275860" data-end="281740">Certainly, we all want to see suicide prevention, and I&#8217;m certain that it does</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="281740" data-end="282700">work to a degree.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="283320" data-end="289460">It&#8217;s when I hear that all suicides are preventable that it makes me bristle because they</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="289460" data-end="291800">are not. You know, I worked in mental health.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="292140" data-end="293480">I knew the signs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="293680" data-end="300640">My daughter exhibited many of them, was hospitalized, had a therapist, was medicated for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="300640" data-end="306660">a while. But at some point, you cannot watch a child 24 hours a day.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="306960" data-end="311820">As a parent, Collins suffered the common stigma of shame and guilt after Lydia&#8217;s death.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="311820" data-end="314140">Had she done enough to protect her daughter?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="314700" data-end="316720">Could she have prevented Lydia&#8217;s suicide?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="317340" data-end="321540">Collins sought help from other suicide loss survivors through various support groups.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="321840" data-end="328660">If it hadn&#8217;t been for some of these survivor groups, I don&#8217;t know how I would have</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="328660" data-end="333920">managed.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="328660" data-end="333920">I absolutely needed to find other people who had gone through this.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="334450" data-end="342480">I have so many people in my life because of these support groups who have felt the same</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="342480" data-end="346660">and I&#8217;m able to look at them and say, no, this wasn&#8217;t your fault.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="346960" data-end="348500">You know, you did what you could do.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="349120" data-end="352260">And then finally being able to tell myself that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="352740" data-end="356940">In addition to the myth of prevention, Collins says another misleading idea is that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="356940" data-end="358840">suicide is always a selfish act.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="359060" data-end="360960">I never thought of it that way.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="360960" data-end="364840">I thought of it as she tried so hard.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="365520" data-end="371680">And when I read her journals, when I read her journals, she fought it for a long time, as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="371680" data-end="372720">young as she was.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="372960" data-end="375760">And I hear this from many other parents.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="376300" data-end="378540">It&#8217;s not like they did this to hurt us.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="378840" data-end="382200">They did it because they couldn&#8217;t take the pain anymore.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="382740" data-end="386980">Rick Strait is the Substance Use Division Director and Suicide Prevention Coordinator for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="386980" data-end="389420">the Community Counseling Center in Southeast Missouri.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="389880" data-end="392160">He&#8217;s also a suicide attempt survivor.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="392540" data-end="394700">I struggled with depression my whole life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="395220" data-end="398360">Growing up as a child, didn&#8217;t know it was depression at the time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="398680" data-end="400880">And then I lost my brother in a car accident.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="401460" data-end="406560">And that took that grief, that spiraled the depression to the point that I felt completely</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="406560" data-end="409440">alone. In retrospect, I know I wasn&#8217;t alone.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="409560" data-end="414900">I had parents that were also hurting, but I felt like I had to not let them know I was</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="414900" data-end="416580">hurting. That way I could be supportive of them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="417080" data-end="419180">I had a wife at the time and I had a newborn baby.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="419180" data-end="421140">And I was in the military at the time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="421240" data-end="426280">So I had a lot of friends that are my squadron that I, you know, so I knew like looking</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="426280" data-end="431120">back, I had so many people in my corner, but I just felt like I wasn&#8217;t.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="431180" data-end="432320">I felt like it was just me.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="432980" data-end="435460">Fortunately, Strait&#8217;s mom interrupted his attempt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="436140" data-end="440760">Though he was initially angry, Strait quickly realized how grateful he was to be alive.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="441220" data-end="442180">Yes, I was glad.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="442520" data-end="446400">But I still struggle with depression and suicidal thoughts for many, many more years.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="446400" data-end="450680">But after the attempt, though, I kind of made a promise myself that I wouldn&#8217;t attempt</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="450680" data-end="454420">again because I realized how it was going to impact my wife at the time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="455100" data-end="458440">And so I tried to make that promise myself that it would never happen again.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="459060" data-end="462720">Strait says he eventually learned how to talk about his feelings, though it took a long</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="462720" data-end="463940">time to be comfortable with.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="464420" data-end="468120">And when he met with other suicide attempt survivors, he realized that so many more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="468120" data-end="470340">people struggle with these thoughts than just him.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="470800" data-end="474980">Because that was one of the worst feelings about when I was having thoughts of suicide</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="474980" data-end="479320">is I really thought that nobody else would ever understand that there&#8217;s nobody else has</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="479320" data-end="480480">ever been through this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="481060" data-end="484980">And so as I learned over the years that there are so many people have been through this.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="485320" data-end="487180">So many people have lost people to suicide.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="487380" data-end="489300">So many people have made attempts and lived.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="489680" data-end="493180">And then so many people are struggling with those thoughts and never act on them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="493660" data-end="499140">And so even though I&#8217;m not glad that they struggled also, it was kind of a lightning</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="499140" data-end="501760">effect for me when I realized, OK, I&#8217;m not alone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="501860" data-end="504660">This isn&#8217;t some just messed up brick thing.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="504660" data-end="506440">This is this happens.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="506980" data-end="510800">And, you know, the more I learn and how often it happens, it has helped me feel kind of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="510800" data-end="514100">normal. And then eventually I got some counseling and some help to get through the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="514100" data-end="518039">depression.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="514100" data-end="518039">Today, Strait is doing well, but he still has bad days.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="518500" data-end="521840">The difference is that he talks about his feelings with his family and friends to let</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="521840" data-end="522919">them know when he&#8217;s struggling.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="523440" data-end="527180">We don&#8217;t have to spend much time dwelling on it, but it keeps those thoughts from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="527180" data-end="529060">festering and becoming more intense.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="529520" data-end="533420">Von Allen says many people live with ongoing thoughts of suicide on a daily basis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="534020" data-end="537340">Thankfully, a lot of them have found successful coping strategies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="537860" data-end="542200">There are many people with persistent thoughts of suicide, and they live and work with</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="542200" data-end="544540">us and keep themselves safe.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="544880" data-end="549660">When their thoughts start to escalate towards suicide, they have a safety plan that they</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="549660" data-end="552780">need to work. And that could be reaching out to a hotline.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="552860" data-end="554660">It could be walking the dog.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="554740" data-end="556460">It could be talking to your support system.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="556980" data-end="559980">Research shows that suicide attempts are often impulsive.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="560500" data-end="564920">A person might deliberate for five minutes or less after having suicidal thoughts before</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="564920" data-end="568400">taking action.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="564920" data-end="568400">It is one of the most preventable forms of death.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="568640" data-end="574880">It is. But again, we aren&#8217;t always given the gift of time and those signs within that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="574880" data-end="580200">time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="574880" data-end="580200">There are certain people who might have an event occur that activates thoughts of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="580200" data-end="583780">suicide and lethal means are readily accessible.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="584320" data-end="588920">One of the most proven prevention strategies we can implement is giving that person</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="588920" data-end="593900">with thoughts of suicide space and time away from that lethal means, be it medication,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="594180" data-end="595020">be it a firearm.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="595420" data-end="596680">We give them space and time.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="596960" data-end="598040">Often they can deescalate.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="598440" data-end="601420">They can reach out for help or someone can intervene.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="602180" data-end="604400">So that&#8217;s really a crucial element here.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604780" data-end="606700">But we don&#8217;t always get that opportunity.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="607480" data-end="611700">And as suicide rates continue to rise, Von Allen says that prevention is crucial.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="612420" data-end="615600">However, there&#8217;s always more to learn, especially from people like Strait.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="615600" data-end="621780">Those who survive their own attempts of suicide teach us how to be better at the work we do</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="621780" data-end="627260">with prevention. Under our best efforts and our most diligent work, we can still lose</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="627260" data-end="628800">someone that we&#8217;re trying to help.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="629300" data-end="632280">But the better we get, the stronger our safety net will become.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="632720" data-end="637180">If anyone listening to this program is feeling depressed or having suicidal thoughts, you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="637180" data-end="640940">can dial or text 988 from anywhere in the country.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="641460" data-end="645580">Sometimes just talking to somebody that you know that cares and can help listen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="645740" data-end="649240">And sometimes it can be enough on its own and they get a trained person.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="649540" data-end="652480">They can ask them some questions and just be there for a conversation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="653260" data-end="657080">And then most states also have, you know, walk in mental health clinics as well.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="657480" data-end="662340">I know in Missouri, every county has a Department of Mental Health funded place where</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="662340" data-end="665900">they people can walk in and they can talk to somebody every day, any day.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="666240" data-end="669840">And if someone you know is depressed or has shared that they&#8217;ve been having suicidal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="669840" data-end="673620">thoughts, STRAIGHT says it&#8217;s important to be a listening ear for them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="673940" data-end="677740">If we can have compassion and listening and ask them questions and then just be present,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="678080" data-end="680360">even if we know it&#8217;s a suicidal crisis or not.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="680440" data-end="682880">So let&#8217;s say there is a teenager that brings that to them.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="683240" data-end="688380">Just being there and being in that moment and tell me what&#8217;s going on and then truly</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="688380" data-end="693360">listening. And as a parent myself, it&#8217;s hard not to try to fix right away.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="693680" data-end="696480">We want to go into problem solving and tell all things are going right.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="696480" data-end="700560">Just listen and kind of shut that parent mode off for a second and just, you know, the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="700560" data-end="701860">writing reflex and just listen.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="702400" data-end="705560">I think that&#8217;s one of the most powerful things we can do, whether it be any type of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="705560" data-end="709840">mental health thing, whether it be just a bad day and no suicidal crisis or somebody</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="709840" data-end="710980">that&#8217;s having suicidal thoughts.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="711160" data-end="714560">If we can just take a few minutes and just truly listen to what they&#8217;re saying and not</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="714560" data-end="715320">jump to conclusions.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="716020" data-end="720600">Collins book Love in the Archives, a patchwork of true stories about suicide loss is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="720600" data-end="723460">available now online and wherever books are sold.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="723920" data-end="728020">You can learn more about suicide prevention and all of our guests on our website,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="728880" data-end="730080">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="730660" data-end="735240">For more behind the scenes, follow Radio Health Journal on Facebook, Instagram and X.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="735680" data-end="740360">The segment originally aired in April of 2024 and was written and produced by Polly</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="740360" data-end="743100">Hanson. Our lead producer is Kristen Farah.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="743240" data-end="745280">Our executive producer is Amir Zaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="745740" data-end="746800">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="753100" data-end="755940">Coming up, are your prescription drugs safe?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="756400" data-end="757820">When Radio Health Journal returns.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="761520" data-end="765300">Hey, mom, I&#8217;ve been meaning to talk to you about some new COVID information I saw</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="765300" data-end="770420">online. I read that black folks like us with certain conditions like diabetes, heart</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="770420" data-end="775040">disease, mental health conditions or being 50 and older like you are at high risk.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="775200" data-end="776720">Boy, you sound like a commercial.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="777000" data-end="780420">I&#8217;m just saying. I know you love your ginger teas and essential oils.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780660" data-end="782960">But remember, there are treatment options for COVID-19.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="782960" data-end="787300">I promise if I get sick again, I&#8217;ll call my doctor to ask about my options.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="787540" data-end="790200">Visit WeTalkWeRise.com to learn more.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="790440" data-end="791320">Brought to you by Pfizer.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="791780" data-end="795660">Moms and dads, do you wish you could know where your kids shoes are at all times?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="795920" data-end="800940">Now you can with Skechers&#8217; newest Apple AirTag compatible sneakers, Find My Skechers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="801160" data-end="804440">There&#8217;s a clever hidden AirTag compartment under the shoes insole.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="804680" data-end="807660">It&#8217;s sleek, secure and your child can&#8217;t feel or see it.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="807920" data-end="811040">Then you can check where your kids shoes are on the Find My app.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="811040" data-end="813320">Plus, they&#8217;re available for boys and girls.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="813760" data-end="818500">Get Find My Skechers at Skechers.com, a Skechers store near you or wherever kids</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="818500" data-end="821080">shoes are sold.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="818500" data-end="821080">Apple AirTag sold separately.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="828230" data-end="832490">Whether you have a chronic condition or periodic headaches, the quality of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="832490" data-end="834510">pharmaceuticals affects every American.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="835190" data-end="839390">To ensure a stellar end product, every step of the process must be held to a high</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="839390" data-end="841650">standard from ingredient sourcing to labeling.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="842210" data-end="845950">These guidelines are called the Current Good Manufacturing Practice Regulations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="846710" data-end="851110">The FDA uses them to guarantee accurate design, monitoring and control of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="851110" data-end="855490">manufacturing processes and facilities so that every product is safe and reliable.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="855910" data-end="860110">The good manufacturing practices, the GMPs, as the FDA calls them, were written</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="860110" data-end="865850">explicitly to ensure consistently high quality drugs leaving facilities.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="866010" data-end="871170">So the FDA chose to, a long time ago, to manage quality through the process versus</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="871170" data-end="873350">the products. They don&#8217;t do a lot of product testing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="873830" data-end="878030">Instead, they go and inspect the process both before they approve a facility to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="878030" data-end="881110">produce a drug and then ongoing, supposed to be about every two years.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="881570" data-end="885330">That&#8217;s John Gray, a Dean&#8217;s Distinguished Professor of Operations and Business</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="885330" data-end="887350">Analytics at The Ohio State University.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="887930" data-end="892750">Despite the FDA&#8217;s oversight, there&#8217;s been various reports of GMP violations at</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="892750" data-end="893790">facilities in India.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="894490" data-end="899650">In fact, a 2019 book by Catherine Ebon exposed Indian generic drug companies for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="899650" data-end="903490">purposefully deceiving and defrauding customers with low quality products.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="904090" data-end="908530">However, Gray says many of the violations aren&#8217;t officially recorded, partly</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="908530" data-end="911310">because it&#8217;s extremely difficult to access the data.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="911890" data-end="915730">The pharmaceutical industry is notoriously private when it comes to where their</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="915730" data-end="919370">drugs are produced, and they&#8217;re not required to disclose that information to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="919370" data-end="925690">consumers. I believe that it does serve some in the industry well to have a lack</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="925690" data-end="932930">of transparency and to have all consumers and providers believe that there is</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="932930" data-end="937250">absolutely no difference between all of the possible generic drugs they might take</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="937250" data-end="938230">for a given condition.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="938350" data-end="942030">There&#8217;s not supposed to be a difference, but just like with any other industry,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="942370" data-end="943670">things fall through the cracks.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="944190" data-end="948570">But when quality drops in this business, it can be life or death for consumers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="949330" data-end="953170">Gray and his team stumbled across a goldmine of information that helped them piece</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="953170" data-end="956110">together data that&#8217;s often kept hidden from researchers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="956470" data-end="961510">We were actually working on a grant with the FDA at that time and kind of got a hint</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="961510" data-end="966490">that, hey, there&#8217;s a California law that requires drug companies to put the facility</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="966490" data-end="968710">in their label. Go kind of look that way.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="968930" data-end="973050">And we found the law, but still that didn&#8217;t make it obvious as to how to go about to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="973050" data-end="977510">do this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="973050" data-end="977510">Thankfully, Gray&#8217;s PhD student was able to dig through a bunch of labels on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="977510" data-end="981810">DailyMed, the National Library of Medicine&#8217;s database of the most recent labeling.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="982410" data-end="986510">But unlike the nutrition information on the side of a cereal box, the labeling for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="986510" data-end="991610">prescription drugs are each 20, 30, even 40 pages long for one product.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="992210" data-end="995910">Gray says many of them identify their manufacturers through a Dunn&#8217;s number, which</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="995910" data-end="999510">is a unique business tag created by the credit bureau Dunn and Bradstreet.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="999670" data-end="1002730">It&#8217;s a number that if you subscribe or your library subscribes to the database, you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1002730" data-end="1005090">can type it in and then it will give you the facility information.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1005810" data-end="1010850">And that was structured in a way that he was able to automatically extract more than</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1010850" data-end="1012550">half of the drugs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1012630" data-end="1016010">He was able to find where the production was located and then through a little more</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1016010" data-end="1017770">manual effort was able to get a higher percentage.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1018330" data-end="1022910">It wasn&#8217;t 100 percent, but this novel source of data gave them much more than other</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1022910" data-end="1024430">researchers have had access to.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1025250" data-end="1029450">Gray and his team used this information to compare the number of serious adverse events</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1029450" data-end="1032670">caused by generic prescription drugs made in different locations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1033630" data-end="1038349">While various American facilities have had issues with GMP compliance, Gray&#8217;s analysis</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1038349" data-end="1043050">published in the journal Production and Operations Management reveals that the same</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1043050" data-end="1046450">drugs coming out of India seem to be much riskier for consumers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1046990" data-end="1048550">The adverse events data is messy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1049130" data-end="1053370">And so we&#8217;re and then this is a model predicted number.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1053510" data-end="1057650">But the number we quote in the paper is about a 50 percent higher incidence of adverse</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1057650" data-end="1062670">events than if it coming from the same drug from India, controlling for volume, most</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1062670" data-end="1067890">importantly, but also controlling for other facility and drug characteristics compared</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1067890" data-end="1071790">to, again, the exact same active ingredient dosage form and route of administration from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1071790" data-end="1072950">a domestically produced drug.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1073010" data-end="1077270">So that&#8217;s kind of the kind of valid number, most carefully constructed numbers, about</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1077270" data-end="1078290">that 50 percent higher.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1079010" data-end="1081750">We if you read the paper closely, we put a lot of cautions around that because, again,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1081770" data-end="1083270">the adverse events database is messy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1083410" data-end="1088370">The FDA cautions against using its adverse events reporting system as a sole indicator</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1088370" data-end="1091510">of drug quality because the reports haven&#8217;t been medically verified.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1092350" data-end="1097150">However, the FDA does use this same database as a tool for postmarket surveillance to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1097150" data-end="1098770">identify drug safety issues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1099390" data-end="1102430">Interestingly, this data was able to reveal an interesting pattern.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1102910" data-end="1106870">Most of the serious adverse events could be linked back to older drugs.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1107330" data-end="1110530">If you look at the drugs, the newer generic drugs, there actually wasn&#8217;t a statistically</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1110530" data-end="1113970">significant difference, whereas for the drugs that were older than the median, which was</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1113970" data-end="1117550">about eight years, that was really where the result was coming from.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1117910" data-end="1121390">And that&#8217;s kind of interesting, because if you think of most industries, you would think</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1121390" data-end="1123450">companies would get better through the learning curve.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1123510" data-end="1126690">They would get better and better at making the products that they&#8217;re making.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1127150" data-end="1130930">But in this industry, the older drugs, the drugs that have kind of run the race to the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1130930" data-end="1135590">bottom. With so much secrecy within the industry, Gray says the buyers purchasing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1135590" data-end="1138750">decisions are limited mostly to which product is cheapest.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1139450" data-end="1143950">And since all generic drug manufacturers are required to use the same active ingredients,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1144290" data-end="1148890">dosage form and route of administration as the name brand, it seems like a win-win.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1149450" data-end="1153250">That is, until manufacturers stop adhering to the GMP regulations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1153930" data-end="1158650">Gray&#8217;s best guess as to why the pharmaceutical industry&#8217;s trends drastically differ from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1158650" data-end="1159570">others is simple.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1160210" data-end="1165730">Money.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1160210" data-end="1165730">It&#8217;s cheaper to not fully comply with GMPs, which means more competitive pricing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1165730" data-end="1167070">and higher profit margins.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1167650" data-end="1171550">The FDA does have inspections to make sure all facilities are up to code.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1171790" data-end="1176330">But while domestic inspections are unannounced, they&#8217;ve historically given advance notice</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1176330" data-end="1177250">to foreign facilities.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1177590" data-end="1179130">That&#8217;s quite a different environment, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1179150" data-end="1182550">If you&#8217;re going to get a few months notice that the FDA might be coming or is going to be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1182550" data-end="1188290">coming, say, in three months from now, you have time to kind of clean things up a little</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1188290" data-end="1192030">bit. And if you know the exact date they&#8217;re coming, you have time to even have the right</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1192030" data-end="1195990">employees at the facility that will answer the questions well and the best trained</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1195990" data-end="1197150">employees and things like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1197190" data-end="1198410">Because the FDA inspections are quite thorough.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1198530" data-end="1200550">I mean, the FDA comes in and talks to employees on the floor.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1200990" data-end="1204950">They look at records, they get into the computer systems, but you have time to clean that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1204950" data-end="1208630">up. Whereas if they just show up unannounced and then they have the right to enter the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1208630" data-end="1211350">facility immediately, you&#8217;re just caught in your normal state.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1212050" data-end="1217050">And so these pre-announced inspections allow the normal state maybe to be a little less</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217050" data-end="1221710">than ideal. And then when the inspector arrives for you to be a little above your normal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1221710" data-end="1225050">state and maybe not be forced then to fix problems because maybe they&#8217;re not detected.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1225430" data-end="1230450">Earlier this year, the FDA recently announced plans to expand its surprise inspections to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230450" data-end="1234830">foreign facilities that produce food, drugs and medical products for American consumers.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1235530" data-end="1239890">Additionally, investigators will no longer be able to accept travel accommodations from</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1239890" data-end="1241410">regulated industry members.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1241950" data-end="1246070">While it&#8217;s unclear when this plan will go into effect, it&#8217;s a big step towards solving</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1246070" data-end="1247350">these drug quality issues.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1247910" data-end="1251770">Gray says another important shift would be increasing the transparency so that buyers</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1251770" data-end="1253810">know where their products are being made.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1254050" data-end="1259390">We prefer location and quality transparency because we don&#8217;t want, if we just do</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1259390" data-end="1264470">location transparency, there would be a bias or tendency toward domestic manufacturing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1264970" data-end="1267630">and maybe a bias against India and China specifically.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1267630" data-end="1270430">But there are good manufacturers in India and China.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1270750" data-end="1275290">And so if we do location and quality transparency, now a valid and reliable quality</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1275290" data-end="1276450">metric needs to be created.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1277050" data-end="1280610">The FDA probably has a reasonable one, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re going to release it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1281150" data-end="1285050">And then a high quality Indian manufacturer could still compete and a low quality</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1285050" data-end="1286890">domestic manufacturer would be challenged.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1287110" data-end="1291770">And so we could still have this global supply chain, which I think is necessary and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1291770" data-end="1298870">appropriate, but we would not have this cost only buying practice and this race to the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1298870" data-end="1299750">bottom being run.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1299970" data-end="1304610">However, Gray mentions that it&#8217;ll be hard to create true change without some reform on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1304610" data-end="1305610">the buyer side.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1306290" data-end="1309110">In pharmaceuticals, the buyers aren&#8217;t the consumers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1309730" data-end="1314430">They&#8217;re often pharmacy benefit managers or PBMs who are negotiating and purchasing on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1314430" data-end="1316510">behalf of pharmacies and insurance companies.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1316870" data-end="1321170">The consumers or the doctors might notice where the drugs are located or that they&#8217;re a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1321170" data-end="1324310">four star rated drug instead of a five star rated drug or something like that.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1324890" data-end="1329410">But it&#8217;ll be difficult for them to do anything if their insurance company only covers these</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1329410" data-end="1331550">two NDCs for this treatment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1332570" data-end="1335610">And so a bigger thing is some and it&#8217;s a harder thing.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1335790" data-end="1337190">You know, transparency is relatively easy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1337510" data-end="1340610">It would be easy to write down the mandate for transparency.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1340630" data-end="1342510">I&#8217;m not saying be easy to implement, but it&#8217;s easy to imagine.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1342590" data-end="1344870">Right. It&#8217;s easy to imagine doing on and out inspections.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345010" data-end="1346550">We&#8217;ve already done pilots.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1345010" data-end="1346550">We know how to do it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1346550" data-end="1351710">But fixing the middle of the pharmaceutical supply chain between the manufacturers and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1351710" data-end="1353830">the consumers is pretty hard.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1354030" data-end="1356470">There&#8217;s really powerful entities in the middle there.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1356950" data-end="1360850">He&#8217;s not saying it&#8217;s impossible, but it&#8217;ll require some elbow grease to get to the real</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1360850" data-end="1362870">change that&#8217;ll help American consumers.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1363470" data-end="1367370">You can find more information about John Gray and all of our guests on our website,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1367670" data-end="1368990">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1369530" data-end="1373630">For more behind the scenes, follow Radio Health Journal on Facebook, Instagram and X.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1374070" data-end="1375910">Our writer producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1376190" data-end="1377910">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1378370" data-end="1379090">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1384170" data-end="1386930">Radio Health Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1388490" data-end="1392030">You know, that big bargain detergent jug is 80 percent water, right?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1392170" data-end="1393310">It doesn&#8217;t clean as well.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1393590" data-end="1394570">80 percent water?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1394790" data-end="1397550">I thought I was getting a better deal because it&#8217;s so big.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1397750" data-end="1400910">If you want a better clean, Tide Pods are only 12 percent water.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1401110" data-end="1403670">The rest is pure, concentrated cleaning ingredients.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1403670" data-end="1405590">Oh, let me make an announcement.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1406670" data-end="1410530">Attention shoppers, if you want a real deal, try Tide Pods.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1410650" data-end="1412570">Stop paying for watered down detergents.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1412790" data-end="1413410">Pay for clean.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1413690" data-end="1416110">If it&#8217;s got to be clean, it&#8217;s got to be Tide Pods.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1416350" data-end="1418310">Water content based on the leading bargain liquid detergent.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1418970" data-end="1424110">Switching to Progressive is a game winning call, and that reminds us of other game</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1424110" data-end="1425930">winning calls in the history of sports.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1426330" data-end="1429710">It was a doubleheader in August and really hot inside the concession stand.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1430090" data-end="1433070">So instead of waiting for people to come to me, I figured I&#8217;d walk around yelling,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1433070" data-end="1434210">hot dogs here.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1434670" data-end="1437330">And that&#8217;s how I became the first hot dog vendor in sports.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1438050" data-end="1441470">OK, not really a game winning call, but it was a good call.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1441810" data-end="1444910">You can make one to switch to Progressive and you could save hundreds.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1445810" data-end="1448370">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates not available in all states.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1448590" data-end="1452330">Do Crohn&#8217;s disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms keep coming back?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1453430" data-end="1457850">Tremphaya, gaselkomab may help with rapid remission achieved at 12 weeks and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1457850" data-end="1459910">lasting clinical remission at one year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1460510" data-end="1464950">Some even saw visible improvement of their intestinal lining at 12 weeks and one year.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1465410" data-end="1468670">Tremphaya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1468670" data-end="1472370">severely active Crohn&#8217;s disease and adults with moderately to severely active</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1472370" data-end="1473310">ulcerative colitis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1473730" data-end="1477210">Serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections and liver problems may</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1477210" data-end="1480190">occur. Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480190" data-end="1484090">tuberculosis.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480190" data-end="1484090">Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu like symptoms, or if</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484090" data-end="1487230">you need a vaccine. Healing is possible with Tremphaya.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1487750" data-end="1491270">Approximately three out of 10 patients were in endoscopic remission at one year</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1491270" data-end="1495250">based on areas visualized on colonoscopy, which may not represent the deeper bowel</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1495250" data-end="1496790">layer or entire GI tract.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1497090" data-end="1498390">Individual results may vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1498670" data-end="1500350">Ask your doctor about Tremphaya today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1500950" data-end="1506990">Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit TremphayaRadio.com.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1511210" data-end="1512830">Medical Notes this week.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1513450" data-end="1516670">Why are weight loss drugs so difficult to take long term?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1517290" data-end="1521750">GLP-1 medications help suppress a person&#8217;s appetite, but the various side effects</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1521750" data-end="1525830">like vomiting and nausea cause a majority of patients to stop using the drugs</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1525830" data-end="1530550">within a year. Now, a research team has found a new brain region to target that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1530550" data-end="1533070">won&#8217;t cause these gastrointestinal symptoms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1533650" data-end="1537470">When tested in mice, the injection helped the animals lose weight without negative</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1537470" data-end="1541130">side effects.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1537470" data-end="1541130">The study is published in the journal Science Translational</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1541130" data-end="1544970">Medicine. Alcoholism doesn&#8217;t just affect one person.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1545390" data-end="1549590">New research in the journal Aging and Disease shows that paternal drinking habits</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1549590" data-end="1552990">before conception can negatively affect fetal development.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1553710" data-end="1558290">It can also cause symptoms of early aging in kids, even when consuming the legal</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1558290" data-end="1562410">limit. And the effects continue to worsen if both parents drink.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1563090" data-end="1566910">And finally, fix your bad knees without surgery.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1567670" data-end="1571670">Osteoarthritis is a leading cause of adult disability, and there&#8217;s no way to reverse</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1571670" data-end="1576390">the damage. However, scientists have found that making a small adjustment to how</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1576390" data-end="1579810">someone walks can cause the same amount of relief as medication.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1580350" data-end="1582990">It also reduces cartilage damage in the knee.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1583410" data-end="1585790">The study is published in The Lancet Rheumatology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1586510" data-end="1588270">And that&#8217;s medical notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1588630" data-end="1590190">I&#8217;m Maayan Vastabetancourt.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1590530" data-end="1594230">I can&#8217;t believe how spotless my floors look after using the Swiffer Power Mop.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1594530" data-end="1596990">No more dragging around a heavy mop and messy bucket.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1597370" data-end="1599750">Now I get the same deep clean without all the work.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1599750" data-end="1604230">Thanks to the powerful solution and scrubbing pad of the Swiffer Power Mop, dirt and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1604230" data-end="1606750">grime don&#8217;t stand a chance and I don&#8217;t break a sweat.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1607250" data-end="1610090">Mic drop. I mean mop drop.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1614330" data-end="1617210">A smarter way to mop. Try it or your money back.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1618550" data-end="1620110">Oh, how&#8217;s that flu, babe?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1620350" data-end="1622050">Did you take Dayquil Intense Flu yet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1622590" data-end="1624290">Nah, I got this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1625410" data-end="1627150">OK, I don&#8217;t got this.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1627830" data-end="1630570">You stay on the couch and I&#8217;ll grab the Dayquil.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1630990" data-end="1633490">Undo your flu symptoms with Dayquil Intense Flu.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1633710" data-end="1636930">Dayquil Intense Flu provides powerful relief of your flu symptoms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1637270" data-end="1638930">I&#8217;m ready for that to-do list.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1639090" data-end="1640490">Wow, you do got this.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1640970" data-end="1642030">Dayquil Intense Flu.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1642270" data-end="1645350">The daytime coughing, aching, aching fever under your flu medicine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1645750" data-end="1647070">Use as directed.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1645750" data-end="1647070">Keep out of reach of children.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1649930" data-end="1654130">Thank you for joining us this week and every week as we break down the science stories you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1654130" data-end="1657130">need to know. You can find all of our past segments and guests on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1657130" data-end="1661610">our website, RadioHealthJournal.org or wherever you listen to <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/articulation-radio-show203-your-kidney-can-save-lives-interview-w-phillip-marley/">podcasts</a>.</span></span></p><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1661970" data-end="1666330">Follow us on Instagram, Facebook and X for daily content and tune in next week for</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1666330" data-end="1668390">another edition of Radio Health Journal.</span></span></p>								</div>
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									<p data-start="491" data-end="515"><strong data-start="491" data-end="513">Major Takeaways:</strong></p><ul data-start="516" data-end="946"><li data-start="516" data-end="654"><p data-start="518" data-end="654">Accurate ADHD diagnosis requires collaboration between psychiatrists, teachers, and parents, as symptoms often mimic other conditions.</p></li><li data-start="655" data-end="790"><p data-start="657" data-end="790">Medications remain the most effective ADHD treatment, but therapy and parent support can further help children navigate challenges.</p></li><li data-start="791" data-end="946"><p data-start="793" data-end="946">Core childhood wounds, or “primal wounds,” can be reframed into strengths, helping individuals turn trauma into resilience and healthier communication.</p></li></ul><h2>Turning Trauma Into Strength: ADHD Treatment and the Power of Primal Wounds</h2><p>You&#8217;re listening to <a href="https://www.urbancitypodcast.com/radio-health-journal-8-29-2025-short-kids-are-being-given-growth-hormones-is-it-safe/">Radio Health Journal</a>, the trusted news source for medicine, science and technology. I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield. I&#8217;m Mayan Vasta Betancourt.</p><p>And I&#8217;m Greg Johnson. This week, how to turn your trauma into your biggest asset. Your past is not your problem.</p><p>It actually becomes your superpower. My framework actually flips the script entirely and says, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with you. Let&#8217;s embrace it and take it and do something with it.</p><p>But first, why ADHD treatment needs a team-based approach. Even if it&#8217;s the best medicine and it&#8217;s really helpful for this kid, if that medicine doesn&#8217;t get into that kid&#8217;s mouth and into the body, it&#8217;s not going to be helpful. All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</p><p>Do Crohn&#8217;s disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms keep coming back? Tremphaya, gaselkomab, may help, with rapid remission achieved at 12 weeks and lasting clinical remission at one year. Some even saw visible improvement of their intestinal lining at 12 weeks and one year. Tremphaya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active Crohn&#8217;s disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis.</p><p>Serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections and liver problems may occur. Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or if you need a vaccine.</p><p>Healing is possible with Tremphaya. Approximately 3 out of 10 patients were in endoscopic remission at one year, based on areas visualized on colonoscopy, which may not represent the deeper bowel layer or entire GI tract. Individual results may vary.</p><p>Ask your doctor about Tremphaya today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tremphayaradio.com. Though many of us are familiar with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD, the journey through treatment isn&#8217;t as straightforward as you may assume. Dr. Bradley Peterson, a child and adolescent psychiatrist, says the very first obstacle families face is getting an accurate diagnosis.</p><p>He says that there are various other conditions that mimic similar symptoms, which can lead patients down a rabbit hole of misdiagnoses. Maybe the most common thing is kids who are very anxious. They can be quite fidgety because they&#8217;re anxious.</p><p>And when you&#8217;re anxious about things, like in a classroom, whether the kids are looking at you or thinking badly of you, or the teacher&#8217;s thinking badly about you, that can absorb your attention and distract you from paying attention to what you need to pay attention to in class, what the teacher&#8217;s saying. Most psychiatric and mental health and behavioral problems, in fact, have some impact on our ability to pay attention and stay focused. It&#8217;s a pretty nonspecific symptom, and so a lot of things can look like ADHD or be confused with it.</p><p>Peterson is chief of the Division of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and co-director of the Behavioral Health Institute at Children&#8217;s Hospital Los Angeles. There are three core symptoms of ADHD, hyperactivity, inattention, and impulsivity. When people think about ADHD, their first image is that really hyperactive type.</p><p>And it&#8217;s usually the stereotype of a little boy who&#8217;s sort of all over the place physically. What&#8217;s happened over the years is it&#8217;s gotten really convoluted. And when people have inattention and they&#8217;re more subtle, like we often see with women and girls who have ADHD, they tend to be under identified and less likely to be seen by others.</p><p>That&#8217;s Dr. Andrew Kahn, associate director of expertise and strategic design at Understood, a nonprofit for learning and thinking differences. Their new interactive tool called Through My Eyes offers users the ability to understand how neurodivergent kids think. And as you navigate through the simulation, what you commonly see is that kids who are going through their day-to-day lives are experiencing things that we don&#8217;t always see.</p><p>So as the simulation goes on, it is narrated by the kids themselves. We also see through Through My Eyes videos where we have nine different kids talking about their life experiences with learning and thinking differences and being neurodivergent. And I think that what you see in that situation is that the experiences as they&#8217;re narrated to you by the kids themselves gives you insight into things that you wouldn&#8217;t have seen otherwise.</p><p>Kahn says the program&#8217;s goal is to help neurotypical people truly understand the obstacles kids with ADHD face. Many of the tasks are ones that may seem easy to others, like brushing your teeth or tying your shoes. People get lost in the behavior that they see.</p><p>So if a child has, let&#8217;s say, ADHD as our example, and they&#8217;re feeling really challenged by an activity, what you&#8217;re likely to see is behavior. So people are going to say, oh, that child&#8217;s out of their seat, or they&#8217;re refusing to do a task. And in turn, people draw assumptions that that kid is lazy or defiant or unmotivated.</p><p>And what they can&#8217;t see is that that child is trying to filter out all of that stimulation, trying to focus their attention or navigate their energies. And those kind of misunderstandings can really lead to a lot of difficulty. Like being reprimanded or taken out of the classroom without having their struggles ever addressed.</p><p>However, the necessary support can only come after a kid has gotten an accurate diagnosis. The ideal medical professional for this is a child psychiatrist, but they can be hard to find and even harder to access. Thankfully, Peterson says teachers are a valuable resource in this journey.</p><p>Teachers can compare this child&#8217;s behavior and their ability to stay focused on a task with all the other kids in the class, all the other kids that they&#8217;ve experienced in their teaching careers. Teachers are very, very good sources of information. Once that diagnosis is made, the next hurdle is finding the right treatment.</p><p>Every case is different, but Peterson says there are generally two major categories of treatment, medication and therapy. And it can be hard to access either one or both of those. I would say that typically, in general, accessing really good psychotherapy and behavioral therapy is much harder, much harder.</p><p>And even when you can access it, it&#8217;s very difficult to gauge the skill set of the therapist and the care provider. Someone who calls themselves a therapist, not all of them are the same. Calling yourself a therapist doesn&#8217;t make you one and it doesn&#8217;t make you a good one.</p><p>So discerning who&#8217;s good and really qualified is really difficult and important. Which is where having a referral from a trusted medical professional can be extremely helpful. On the other hand, medications can be a bit easier to get right because Peterson says many pediatricians know how to prescribe the most common ones for ADHD.</p><p>That&#8217;s especially good news since his 2024 paper shows that drugs tend to be the best treatment for this condition. About 80% of kids will benefit from that first trial of medicine. And it helps not only with the core symptoms of ADHD, but with other problems as well.</p><p>So just global impressions of how the child&#8217;s doing clinically, it helps with that pretty dramatically. It also helps with other problems like disruptive behaviors. You know, some kids with ADHD, because they&#8217;re impulsive, they can be more aggressive than other kids.</p><p>They can have trouble following rules and those sorts of things. And medicines generally help with those problems as well. So they&#8217;re helpful not only for the core symptoms of ADHD, but the other kinds of problems that often come along with ADHD.</p><p>So the benefits are substantial and most kids will benefit pretty dramatically from medicine. Peterson&#8217;s systematic review, published in the journal Pediatrics, looked at how effective various interventions are on the symptoms of ADHD. And though drugs are at the top of that list, they do still have side effects that can deter some patients.</p><p>They can cause appetite suppression, sleep issues and irritability. But Peterson says it&#8217;s worth taking the time to find the one that works the best for each person. There are two major classes of drugs to choose from, stimulant and non-stimulant.</p><p>Peterson says stimulants are the most common and are widely helpful. But there are many reasons why parents choose to give their kids one type over the other. I would say some families and parents in particular have a conceptual, ethical, even moral bias against stimulant medications.</p><p>They&#8217;re afraid that they&#8217;re addictive, which when used appropriately and when prescribed by an experienced clinician, they are not addicting. But parents fear that they could be. They think that somehow those medicines will change brain structure and function when in fact, our studies suggest that they don&#8217;t.</p><p>And if they do, it actually improves brain structure and function. So there are a lot of biases, especially parents will come in with. Sometimes prescribers will.</p><p>I would say most commonly it might be some pediatricians are reluctant to prescribe stimulants based on misinformation and some of the same biases that misinformed parents can have. That&#8217;s not to say that every patient will respond better to stimulants. It&#8217;s truly a case by case basis.</p><p>There&#8217;s no right course of treatment, only that medication is an important part of that journey. Peterson&#8217;s paper also revealed that supporting the parents of kids with ADHD can be very helpful. There are various types of interventions his review looked at, and many of them turned out to be worthwhile.</p><p>The intervention that most clinicians in the field believe help kids with ADHD, especially kids with ADHD who also have disruptive behaviors, trouble following rules. Maybe they&#8217;re aggressive, so disruptive behaviors. Most people feel that something called parent management training.</p><p>That&#8217;s what I refer to it as. It has it goes by a number of other names, but what it involves descriptively is helping parents learn the principles of behavioral management for their child to help with consequences for behaviors that you want to reinforce, like following rules and doing homework and that sort of thing. And discouraging behaviors that you would prefer not to be there, like aggression, verbal or physical aggression and how to deal with that.</p><p>So you help the parents become really the best behavioral therapist for their kid that you can possibly find because no one knows their child better than a parent. Since no two studies involved exactly the same parent intervention, Peterson&#8217;s team lumped them into one category and ran a bunch of statistics to see if as a group, parent support was effective for helping ADHD symptoms in kids. And regardless of which intervention was used, they found that this support can be a major benefit.</p><p>What came as a big surprise for the research team was what they found when they paired multiple of these helpful interventions together. Most people, most clinicians and most parents believe instinctively that if medications help and psychotherapies or parent support helps, well, one plus one will equal two. And so if medications help some, but you need more help, well, let&#8217;s add parent support to it or psychotherapy for the child.</p><p>And a number of studies have tested this, whether combination treatment like that is better than a single intervention alone. And what is surprising is we didn&#8217;t find evidence of the case. So one plus one here doesn&#8217;t necessarily equal two.</p><p>That doesn&#8217;t mean that combining therapies will never be effective. It just means that on average, when looking at an overall group, there&#8217;s no evidence that it&#8217;s beneficial. Individual kids still may find a combination of therapies helpful.</p><p>And Peterson says that a good clinician will be able to see which are best for their specific patient. And possibly the most important part of this journey, regardless of which type of therapy is used, is that the choices are made in partnership with the medical professionals, parents and child. They have to buy in, know why this is helpful, and the parents need to buy in.</p><p>It all needs to be a team-based approach. Otherwise, it&#8217;s not going to work. Because even if it&#8217;s the best medicine and it&#8217;s really helpful for this kid, if that medicine doesn&#8217;t get into that kid&#8217;s mouth and into the body, it&#8217;s not going to be helpful.</p><p>You can find more information about Dr. Bradley Peterson, Dr. Andrew Kahn, and all of our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org. Our writer-producer is Kristen Farah. Our executive producer is Amir Zaveri. I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</p><p>Coming up, rewiring your brain for healthier communication, when RadioHealth Journal returns. As we get older, we may feel strong and healthy, but no matter how healthy you feel, your immune system weakens with age. That&#8217;s where vaccines come in.</p><p>Vaccines help train and strengthen your immune response to fight off certain respiratory illnesses. And that&#8217;s why the CDC recommends eligible adults 50 or older or those with certain health conditions get vaccinated. 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Dr. Michaela Renee Johnson believes these patterns stem from our core beliefs she calls primal wounds that begin in childhood.</p><p>And it doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that we had a bad childhood or some major traumatic event. It&#8217;s just simple, small, little things that can lead us to formulate these things. And there are seven of them.</p><p>And I&#8217;ll give you an example. So it might be I&#8217;m not good enough. Perhaps you&#8217;re just not doing well in school as a young person.</p><p>And so you start to tell yourself, I&#8217;m not good enough. As a teenager, it becomes I&#8217;m never going to be good enough. I&#8217;m never going to make the basketball team.</p><p>I&#8217;m never going to achieve what I want to achieve or get that job that I want. And then as an adult, you paradoxically pick out people and situations that affirm that belief. And the reason is because it&#8217;s actually comfortable.</p><p>It&#8217;s actually safer to choose someone that is going to invite that situation into your life than it is to do something different because we&#8217;ve dealt with it and lived it our whole lives. Johnson is a psychotherapist and author of Seven Primal Wounds. The seven wounds include feeling insignificant, inadequate, damaged, powerless, incapable, undeserving and like an outsider.</p><p>And though these seem to be negative emotions, Johnson says having these innate feelings is very normal. It&#8217;s essentially your mind&#8217;s version of touching a hot stove and then making sure that never happens again. So instead of trying to get rid of this protective mechanism, Johnson argues that we need to embrace it and learn how to make it our own personal superpower.</p><p>We inherently know when we&#8217;re walking into relationships, they could hurt us. And so we&#8217;re always looking for the potential threat. That&#8217;s not a bad thing.</p><p>That means we&#8217;re working very well. It means our brain is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. But just like the hot stove situation, it doesn&#8217;t mean we stop cooking.</p><p>Right. Like it doesn&#8217;t mean we can never use the stove because we&#8217;ve gotten burned once. So this is what the book&#8217;s about.</p><p>It&#8217;s really exciting. It&#8217;s actually teaching people that you&#8217;re not broken. You&#8217;re doing great, but you probably could benefit from learning about your activations and what&#8217;s causing them so that you can disempower it and have healthy relationships moving forward.</p><p>Johnson says each wound comes with its own unique triggers and characteristics. So, for example, if my friends don&#8217;t invite me to go out on Friday night because I don&#8217;t have the I am an outsider wound, I probably don&#8217;t care. I&#8217;m like, cool, I&#8217;m going to go do I&#8217;m going to go for a hike.</p><p>I&#8217;m going to go whatever. Like, it&#8217;s not going to bother me. But if I feel unchosen for something, then that might have a much deeper impact.</p><p>Which is why understanding which wound you have is crucial to controlling how you want to respond in certain situations. What&#8217;s interesting is that Johnson says in many cases, whatever your core belief is will be what drives you later in life. So the powerless wound is going to go out to do something that they might choose something where they&#8217;re very empowered, right, where they&#8217;re in a position of power or they&#8217;ve they might choose something because of their bleeding heart nature, where they&#8217;re, you know, working in a role that they&#8217;re helping others.</p><p>However, they might also pick a relationship with a very needy partner and that&#8217;s going to quickly build resentment and frustration. Like, why are they so needy? Why are they constantly needing me? Even though they actually sought that out because it&#8217;s their wound and what they know and what they want to attach to. And this does play a lot into attachment theory.</p><p>But in our work and in our decision making processes, sometimes we&#8217;ll say yes to things from the wounded lens that we should be saying no to. Johnson says if someone&#8217;s unaware of how their primal wound is causing them to react, it can draw them into a harmful cycle. However, her research has found that when used with intention, these core beliefs can still act as a protection without impeding on the rest of your life.</p><p>We can actually rewire our brain. There is tons of research that is coming out, including my own, that is showing you can actually rewire these primal pathways. You can choose different.</p><p>And this is the hot stove analogy. You can touch the hot stove, go, dang, that was hot and still cook on the stove because you can learn how to embrace it with a different mindset, embrace it with a different set of plans for how you&#8217;re going to navigate if it&#8217;s hot. Right.</p><p>And once you know that, you can actually use your best skill set ever as your superpower. Your past is not your problem. It actually becomes your superpower.</p><p>And so that&#8217;s the beautiful part of primal wounds. It&#8217;s not negative at all. It&#8217;s actually really positive focused.</p><p>It&#8217;s taking what is your human emotional survival that a lot of work has not been exposing and turning it into something that you can actually look at and call out and have a conversation with. These conversations will probably look different depending on which part of yourself becomes activated. Johnson says that the issue she sees most in couples she works with is that they&#8217;re constantly triggering each other without resolving any of the problems.</p><p>We can&#8217;t be constantly wounding one another without repairing it. Otherwise, we&#8217;re walking around with a shield. So that&#8217;s when people say we don&#8217;t talk anymore.</p><p>You know, we stonewall, we disengage, all that kind of stuff. So instead of automatically reacting like you normally would in a tense situation, Johnson says you should pause. Give yourself a breath to realize how you want to naturally respond and ask yourself if that reaction will be helpful to your end goal.</p><p>It&#8217;s very easy to become defensive in arguments and want to blame the other person. In fact, you can know all the mental health tools for positive communication, but without mindfulness and intention, those tools can easily become ammunition. A hammer is a weapon or it&#8217;s a tool, depending on how you&#8217;re using it.</p><p>So I really teach them like we need to think about tools a little differently because if you&#8217;re swinging a hammer when you&#8217;re ticked off, it&#8217;s probably not an effective tool. It&#8217;s a weapon. Right.</p><p>So that&#8217;s kind of the thing is really recognizing what&#8217;s going to work for your wound, how to disempower it by calling it out. And frankly, what I see more often than not is we really like to put expectations on our partner. And I heard a great phrase from somebody just yesterday.</p><p>They said expectations are premeditated resentments and the partner is never going to deliver on the repair because they don&#8217;t know how to do it. They&#8217;re not you. They&#8217;re not in your body.</p><p>And so the biggest fatal mistake I see is expecting our partner to do the next right thing. We have to do the next right thing to fix ourselves, to help ourselves, to improve and stop the pattern. There are a few ways that Johnson recommends getting familiar with your primal wound.</p><p>For some people, the scariest part of this work happens when they have to start putting each exercise into practice. The undeservers, right, they love to be yes people. They will say yes, even if they are completely expended and exhausted and don&#8217;t have a yes in them.</p><p>They will say yes, they will take it on. So the undeservers, what they might work on is, for example, saying, while I would love to pick up your kids from school for you, I actually can&#8217;t do that. Thank you for understanding.</p><p>So this is a rewire, right? What my undeservers love to do is they love to say either they&#8217;ll say, no, I&#8217;m so sorry. I can&#8217;t do that. I&#8217;m so sorry.</p><p>I would love to. But I just really I&#8217;m so sorry. Right.</p><p>And they&#8217;re just completely living in that. I am not deserving of having my own time or being able to say no. Right.</p><p>So for that example, what we might say is I appreciate that you&#8217;ve asked me and I can&#8217;t do that today. Thank you for understanding. No apologies, no undeserver narrative, just going to take time for myself because I deserve it.</p><p>I deserve to have this time. Each exercise is custom to every wound and how it manifests in each individual&#8217;s life. If you&#8217;re wondering where to start, Johnson offers a free quiz on our website, 7primalwounds.com. You can find more information about Dr. Michaela Johnson and all of our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org. Our writer-producer is Kristen Farah.</p><p>Our production manager is Jason Dickey. I&#8217;m Greg Johnson. And I&#8217;m Kristen Farah.</p><p>Radio Health Journal returns in just a moment. Progressive&#8217;s teen driver discount could lower the cost of insurance for your teenager and save you some money. And then you can still spend money on them, because just when you think you have a grasp on spending new sneakers and then it&#8217;s money for a school field trip and, of course, spending money.</p><p>Oh, yeah. And a new phone to replace the one they dropped in the toilet. Oh, don&#8217;t remind me.</p><p>So just get Progressive&#8217;s teen driver discount and then you can continue to spend money on them endlessly. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates. Discount not available in all states and subject to terms and conditions.</p><p>Downy Rinse and Refresh. Break up with stinky clothes. Delivers.</p><p>One wash, it smells so clean. Downy Rinse and Refresh. It&#8217;s a dream.</p><p>Downy Rinse and Refresh. Fights odor in just one wash. 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									<h2><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="2310" data-end="6910">You&#8217;re listening to Radio Health Journal, the trusted news source for medicine, science</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="6910" data-end="7750">and technology.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="8350" data-end="9770">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="10130" data-end="11810">I&#8217;m Mayan Vasta Betancourt.</span></span></h2><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="12170" data-end="13010">And I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="13470" data-end="16310">This week, the history behind breast cancer awareness.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="16690" data-end="17930">We have to stop being polite.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="18170" data-end="19490">We can&#8217;t be polite anymore.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="19950" data-end="25290">We need to shout and demand that our disease be looked at and funded as well.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="25630" data-end="29030">But first, should parents be able to give their kids growth hormones?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="29030" data-end="34250">You&#8217;re just not going to get your child to be 5 feet 10, 6 feet, if they were destined</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="34250" data-end="35790">to be 5 feet 5 inches.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="36090" data-end="38870">All that and more this week on Radio Health Journal.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="46020" data-end="49780">Do Crohn&#8217;s disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms keep coming back?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="50720" data-end="55720">Tremphaya, gaselkomab, may help, with rapid remission achieved at 12 weeks and lasting</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="55720" data-end="57340">clinical remission at one year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 0:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="57940" data-end="62360">Some even saw visible improvement of their intestinal lining at 12 weeks and one year.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="62360" data-end="66420">Tremphaya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="66420" data-end="70760">active Crohn&#8217;s disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="71220" data-end="74980">Serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections and liver problems may occur.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="75300" data-end="78280">Before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="78840" data-end="82280">Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or if you need a vaccine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="82860" data-end="84680">Healing is possible with Tremphaya.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="85220" data-end="89320">Approximately 3 out of 10 patients were in endoscopic remission at one year, based on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="89320" data-end="93600">areas visualized on colonoscopy, which may not represent the deeper bowel layer or entire</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="93600" data-end="94240">GI tract.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="94520" data-end="95860">Individual results may vary.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="96120" data-end="97800">Ask your doctor about Tremphaya today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="98420" data-end="104120">Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tremphayaradio.com.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 1:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="117430" data-end="121110">Growing up, there&#8217;s always one kid who&#8217;s the shortest in their class.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="121230" data-end="125150">In first grade, second grade, all the way through to junior high.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="125670" data-end="130370">It may well be that they&#8217;ll grow up to be normal height, or close to it, but parents</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="130370" data-end="132370">often worry that they&#8217;ll never catch up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="132790" data-end="137710">And with height being a commodity today, especially for boys, mom and dad are taking more kids</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="137710" data-end="139910">to the doctor to do something about it.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="140250" data-end="144910">I&#8217;d say there&#8217;s been a shift from seeing patients who aren&#8217;t growing well, of course</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="144910" data-end="149690">we still see those, to children who are short or whose parents perceive them to be short.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="149970" data-end="155450">For whatever the reason, people have become much more concerned about their child&#8217;s height</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="155450" data-end="157570">than there seems to have been in the past.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="158250" data-end="162770">So we see a lot of kids coming in now who really don&#8217;t carry the medical definition</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="162770" data-end="167950">for being short, but are shorter or relatively shorter than other children their age.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="168330" data-end="173430">That&#8217;s Dr. Lori Cohen, Chief of Pediatric Endocrinology and Diabetes and Professor of</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="173430" data-end="176090">Pediatrics at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 2:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="176670" data-end="181190">She says even before doctors take a history and check for what might be making a kid short,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="181670" data-end="185210">parents and even kids have already set expectations for the visit.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="185550" data-end="189850">One of the things that I&#8217;ve noticed that has changed over the past even several years,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="190550" data-end="194770">I always ask children when they come in their office why they&#8217;re here.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="195110" data-end="199110">And I&#8217;m surprised by the number of them who say, I&#8217;m here to see if I can have growth</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="199110" data-end="199430">hormone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="200070" data-end="204010">I think that they&#8217;re being exposed to children who are receiving growth hormone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="204750" data-end="206050">And that was never the case.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="206150" data-end="213510">If you&#8217;ve got a disease, growth hormone deficiency, and it&#8217;s relatively rare, when I was growing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="213510" data-end="216750">up, people didn&#8217;t know anybody who was receiving growth hormone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="217390" data-end="221710">Now they go off to summer camp and their friends go off to the nurse&#8217;s office at night to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="221710" data-end="222970">get their growth hormone injections.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="223390" data-end="227870">However often, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with a child at all, and growth hormone will make</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="227870" data-end="229990">little difference in how tall they end up.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="230330" data-end="233290">The problem is that growth hormone is not a solution.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 3:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="234010" data-end="240150">The average gain of height in growth hormone is about a centimeter, that&#8217;s a third of an</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="240150" data-end="241750">inch for every year of treatment.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="242470" data-end="245030">It&#8217;s not going to make somebody tall.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="245910" data-end="252290">And while there is a spectrum between being shorter and being taller, studies that equate</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="252290" data-end="256930">being taller to being more successful, you&#8217;re just not going to get your child to be 5 feet</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="256930" data-end="261550">10, 6 feet, if they were destined to be 5 feet 5 inches or similar.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="262210" data-end="269310">So I think that there&#8217;s this perception that we can give this expensive medication and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="269310" data-end="273850">add several inches of height, and that&#8217;s just not the case.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="274030" data-end="278110">And the response is quite variable, depending on the patient and presumably depending on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="278110" data-end="278990">why they&#8217;re short.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="279190" data-end="284510">Why they&#8217;re short is often that the parents themselves are short, though doctors like</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="284510" data-end="286130">Cohen take a look at everything.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="286630" data-end="289310">We look at the growth charts to assess the growth pattern.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="289910" data-end="294850">We need to take a good medical history, that&#8217;s going to include looking for medications that</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 4:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="294850" data-end="301070">affect growth, birth size, poor diet, signs and symptoms of other illnesses or endocrine</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="301070" data-end="301730">conditions.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="302430" data-end="306670">Family history is really important, parents&#8217; heights, but also siblings and grandparents.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="307250" data-end="309750">About 80% of the difference in height is heritable.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="310650" data-end="313850">We&#8217;re also going to take a family history of pubertal patterns, that&#8217;s heritable as</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="313850" data-end="314210">well.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="314430" data-end="318910">Both height and puberty are likely affected by hundreds of common gene variants that each</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="318910" data-end="319790">have tiny effects.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="319950" data-end="322250">So just we need to look at the whole child.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="322250" data-end="325170">And then after that, we do a physical examination.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="325810" data-end="327690">That&#8217;s going to include an accurate height and weight.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="327830" data-end="331110">I can tell you that I&#8217;ve had patients come in for falling off their growth charts and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="331110" data-end="332890">when we remeasured them, their height is fine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="333190" data-end="338930">Children who lack growth hormone and who are very, very short certainly exist, but Cohen</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="338930" data-end="344490">says they&#8217;re much rarer than people think, between 1 in 4,000 and 1 in 10,000 children.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="345170" data-end="349390">Many of the rest are simply late bloomers who will end up more or less normal if given</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="349390" data-end="350170">enough time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="350510" data-end="353310">But sometimes parents don&#8217;t have the patience.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 5:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="353570" data-end="359590">The stereotypes that we, the beliefs and assumptions that we have about short stature are very</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="359590" data-end="360110">powerful.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="360990" data-end="367510">Even the doctors themselves, the general pediatrician or the pediatric endocrinologist who would</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="367510" data-end="368590">prescribe growth hormone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="369130" data-end="376770">Many of them believe without strong evidence or even weak evidence that to be substantially</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="376770" data-end="381770">shorter than average is going to interfere with a person&#8217;s quality of life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="381890" data-end="387230">That&#8217;s Dr. David Sandberg, pediatric psychologist and professor of pediatrics at the University</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="387230" data-end="388470">of Michigan Medical School.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="388850" data-end="393770">He spent nearly 20 years examining the psychosocial impact of short stature.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="394150" data-end="400530">I&#8217;m swimming against the current, so to speak, by pointing out that the research does not</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="400530" data-end="407910">support many of the assumptions and beliefs we have about being taller than average or</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="407910" data-end="409110">shorter than average.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="409630" data-end="413790">But are there scars along the way for the child who&#8217;s a lot shorter than their classmates?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="414370" data-end="418370">They&#8217;re an easy target for name-calling, but the research is mixed.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 6:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="418710" data-end="422850">There are many studies of psychological well-being in short children.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="423310" data-end="425510">A lot of them were sponsored by drug companies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="426050" data-end="427170">Many of them have biases.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="427170" data-end="434630">And while some studies do indicate that childhood short stature affects psychological well-being,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="435070" data-end="436210">many others don&#8217;t.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="437030" data-end="441930">And also, if psychological problems are present, they&#8217;re usually not due to short stature.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="442490" data-end="448390">Studies that have looked at quality of life in short adults, it&#8217;s usually normal, and</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="448390" data-end="451450">growth hormone therapy doesn&#8217;t predictably improve it.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="451930" data-end="456450">Short children may feel conspicuously small, and their classmates&#8217; taunts of being a</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="456450" data-end="458430">squirt may make them feel disrespected.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="459050" data-end="463230">But Sandberg&#8217;s research, designed to look like a study on something else to get honest</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="463230" data-end="467390">answers, show that big kids accept short kids as well as anyone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="467790" data-end="474650">Regardless of your height, whether you were significantly above average, average height,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 7:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="475110" data-end="482190">or substantially shorter, including those at the first percentile for the general population,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="482190" data-end="485830">they had the same number of close friends.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="486370" data-end="491390">Whether they were boys or girls and they were very short, they had the same number of close</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="491390" data-end="491770">friends.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="491930" data-end="498250">Their friends were just as likely to be very tall as being very short.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="498410" data-end="503630">So there&#8217;s a stereotype that we have, you might expect, that somebody who&#8217;s very short</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="503630" data-end="507310">would hang out with other people of a similar height.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="507370" data-end="508430">That was not the case.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="508430" data-end="511230">As I said, they had the same number of friendships.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="511870" data-end="517990">They were considered as likable as anyone else, regardless of their height.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="518669" data-end="523510">As far as reputation, Sandberg admits that classmates sometimes see shorter kids as younger</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="523510" data-end="525190">than their chronological age.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="525490" data-end="530510">But they&#8217;re not seen as any less athletic than others, and are no more likely to be</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="530510" data-end="531050">picked on.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="531530" data-end="533550">However, there&#8217;s one big caveat to that.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="533930" data-end="535570">That&#8217;s the opinion of others.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="535900" data-end="538170">Short children may view themselves differently.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 8:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="538730" data-end="545490">Perceiving yourself as different from others, even if others do not recognize you as being</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="545490" data-end="550310">different, but you yourself may feel different, that is not a good experience.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="550890" data-end="558290">So in my line of work, one goal is to help the person to differentiate between what they</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="558290" data-end="566810">might believe is a disadvantage versus challenges that they might experience people making comments.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="566990" data-end="570430">The approach towards addressing those are really quite different.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="570930" data-end="575370">Sandberg says that a lack of stature may seem so defining to a child that whenever they</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="575370" data-end="578010">get teased or picked on, that must be the reason.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="578450" data-end="582110">So where does all this leave a parent&#8217;s pleas for growth hormone for their child?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="582470" data-end="589490">The FDA says synthetic growth hormone, available since 1985, can be prescribed for idiopathic</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="589490" data-end="592190">short stature, meaning cause not known.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="592890" data-end="596030">But Cohen says it&#8217;s not meant for kids on the fringe of normal.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 9:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="596590" data-end="599670">Only the smallest 1 or 2 percent should even be considered.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="600270" data-end="604930">So as is often the case, the biggest problem for short children isn&#8217;t what&#8217;s wrong with</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="604930" data-end="606890">them, it&#8217;s our societal norms.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="607070" data-end="608770">What&#8217;s wrong with the rest of us?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="609210" data-end="611130">Short stature is not a disease.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="611620" data-end="616630">It can indicate a medical condition for which evaluation is indicated, and I do urge people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="616630" data-end="621310">who have children who are short or shorter than expected for family or certainly children</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="621310" data-end="624830">who aren&#8217;t growing well to have an evaluation.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="625810" data-end="630930">But whether to treat or not treat a short child with growth hormone is a complicated</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="630930" data-end="631670">decision.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="632290" data-end="634850">Not all short children should receive growth hormone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="635670" data-end="640830">It doesn&#8217;t mean that all children with idiopathic short stature won&#8217;t benefit from growth</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="640830" data-end="646150">hormone, but really risk-benefit ratio needs to be taken into consideration.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="647190" data-end="652030">And really, children who are of normal height, who are expected to be within normal population</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="652030" data-end="657690">range, even if that&#8217;s going to be on the shorter side for society, really shouldn&#8217;t be receiving</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="657690" data-end="658250">growth hormone.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 10:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="658390" data-end="663870">They&#8217;re healthy, and giving them a diagnosis telling them that they&#8217;re not going to function</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="663870" data-end="666130">well, that&#8217;s not a good thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="666130" data-end="670850">You can find more about all of our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="671230" data-end="675510">For more behind-the-scenes, follow Radio Health Journal on Facebook, Instagram, and X.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="675970" data-end="680770">This segment originally aired in June 2021 and was written and produced by Reed Pence.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="681250" data-end="682910">Our lead producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="683170" data-end="685210">Our executive producer is Amir Zaveri.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="685590" data-end="686550">I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="697210" data-end="702230">Coming up, how Shirley Temple led the charge for breast cancer awareness when Radio Health</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="702230" data-end="702930">Journal returns.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="708210" data-end="710770">Ah, that&#8217;s the sound of someone who&#8217;s misplaced&#8230;</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="710770" data-end="711650">My debit card.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="711770" data-end="712490">&#8230;their debit card.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="712610" data-end="713690">Where did I leave that thing?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 11:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="713790" data-end="718450">Not at the gas pump, or the checkout counter, or the roof of your car.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="719530" data-end="722670">Now, if he has the Chase mobile app, he can use card lock.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="723050" data-end="724510">Wait, I could just lock my card.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="724730" data-end="727350">Yep, just a few tippy-taps on his phone, and&#8230;</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="728210" data-end="729010">That sound?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="729330" data-end="730910">That&#8217;s peace of mind from Chase.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="731210" data-end="733070">Chase mobile app is available for select mobile devices.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="733210" data-end="734110">Message and data rates may apply.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="734230" data-end="735750">JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A., member FDIC.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="735750" data-end="740030">At Charmin, we heard you shouldn&#8217;t talk about going to the bathroom in public, so we decided</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="740030" data-end="740890">to sing about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="740970" data-end="743150">Light a candle, pour some wine.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="743390" data-end="746350">Grab a roll, the soft kind for a little me time.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="746490" data-end="748350">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="748970" data-end="750610">Wavy edges for my rear.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="751130" data-end="753610">So let the softness caress your soul.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="754130" data-end="756190">Just relax, you&#8217;re on a roll.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="756670" data-end="757230">Let her rip.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="757590" data-end="759370">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="759410" data-end="762010">Charmin Ultra Soft Smooth Tear has the same softness you love.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="762070" data-end="764510">Now, with wavy edges that tear better than the leading one-ply brand.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="764510" data-end="765790">Enjoy the go with Charmin.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="773280" data-end="774940">2011 was a big year.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 12:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="775420" data-end="780460">Looking at a global scale, NASA ended its space shuttle program just a few months after the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="780460" data-end="783820">world tuned in to the royal wedding between Prince William and Kate Middleton.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="784500" data-end="789600">For Judy Pearson, 2011&#8217;s the year she was a newlywed and about to watch her oldest son</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="789600" data-end="790720">deploy to Afghanistan.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="791480" data-end="796020">But these events were quickly overshadowed that April, when Pearson was diagnosed with</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="796020" data-end="796700">breast cancer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="796700" data-end="801800">It was triple negative breast cancer, which is a highly aggressive and, for lucky me,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="801980" data-end="803820">rare kind of cancer.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="804120" data-end="809160">But I went through 18 rounds of chemotherapy after a mastectomy, 18 rounds of pretty gnarly</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="809160" data-end="809720">chemotherapy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="810480" data-end="816900">It was kind of cool because my son and I exchanged a lot of emails, which I saved, talking about</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="816900" data-end="818600">fighting our respective enemies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="818900" data-end="823870">The diagnosis was a shock, especially since Pearson had recently had her routine mammogram</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="824220" data-end="825660">come up completely clean.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="825660" data-end="830380">It was pure chance that she happened to feel a lump and was brave enough to double check</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="830380" data-end="831500">the mammogram&#8217;s results.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="831860" data-end="838620">I was living my happy life and literally scratched my chest and found this lump almost in my</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="838620" data-end="839100">cleavage.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 13:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="839420" data-end="846440">When they took off the breast, not only was that lump there, but there were other tumors</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="846440" data-end="849440">within my breast so deeply buried I couldn&#8217;t feel them.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="849980" data-end="855460">But by the time my next mammogram would have happened, my cancer would have spread.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="855460" data-end="857140">No question about it.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="857180" data-end="859980">Even by the time I might have felt something, it would have spread.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="860320" data-end="864200">So I just figured, okay, I was spared for a reason.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="864660" data-end="865240">What is that?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="865380" data-end="869640">It&#8217;s a question that took Pearson down a rabbit hole of research, which led to her new</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="869640" data-end="875060">book Radical Sisters, Shirley Temple Black, Rose Kushner, Evelyn Lauder, and the Dawn</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:35"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="875060" data-end="876220">of the Breast Cancer Movement.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="876800" data-end="880780">It highlights the stories of these three activists and how they pushed for women&#8217;s health to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="880780" data-end="881740">be taken seriously.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="881740" data-end="889840">So when I discovered in researching each woman&#8217;s younger life that all three of them almost</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="889840" data-end="897500">died and weren&#8217;t spared randomly, and what a different world it would have been for all</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 14:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="897500" data-end="902320">of us truly if they hadn&#8217;t been spared from what almost happened to them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="902680" data-end="904520">I think it&#8217;s really important.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="904900" data-end="910980">There&#8217;s a quote that I use in the book, but I had used that quote so many times in public</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="910980" data-end="917800">speaking and magazine articles about, it was said to a survivor of the sinking of the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="917800" data-end="923060">Lusitania, if you survived, it&#8217;s because there&#8217;s something else in the world for you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="923060" data-end="923600">to do.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="924020" data-end="928200">For Shirley Temple, her first near-death experience came at age 11.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="928840" data-end="933760">She was performing live on stage when a woman in the audience stood up and pointed a handgun</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="933760" data-end="934760">directly at her.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="935580" data-end="939880">Years later, the actress would fall under another attack, this time from inside her</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="939880" data-end="940240">body.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="940920" data-end="945720">In the 1970s, when Temple was diagnosed with breast cancer, it was common for women to</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="945720" data-end="951460">go into surgery for a biopsy and then wake up with both breasts amputated without ever</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:51"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="951460" data-end="952540">giving their consent.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="953020" data-end="954660">It was called the one-step procedure.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 15:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="955480" data-end="959960">A woman was anesthetized, taken into the operating room.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="959960" data-end="966320">Her lump was removed and analyzed in the lab while she&#8217;s still unconscious, and then they</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="966320" data-end="968160">would come back and amputate her breast.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="968360" data-end="975020">Or better still, the doctor, almost always a man, would go out to the husband or the</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="975020" data-end="978180">father in the waiting room and say, yeah, it&#8217;s cancer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="978280" data-end="978740">What do you think?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="978780" data-end="979720">Should we take her breast?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="979840" data-end="981180">Okay, fine, we&#8217;ll do that.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="981560" data-end="987180">I interviewed an oncologist for a previous book about the cancer survivorship movement,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="987180" data-end="995240">and he said it was ridiculous to force women to go through that kind of a trauma where</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="996400" data-end="1002980">you are told by your doctor almost routinely, it&#8217;s fine, I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s going to be fine.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1003320" data-end="1006800">And then they would wake up pawing at their chest to see if they still had breasts.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1007100" data-end="1009300">And he said it&#8217;s barbaric.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1009660" data-end="1013940">After learning about these horror stories, Temple made sure her surgeon knew that she</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1013940" data-end="1016680">would be making all the decisions about her own body.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 16:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1016680" data-end="1022360">She cemented this radical request by saying the doctor can make the incision, but I&#8217;ll</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1022360" data-end="1023160">make the decision.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1023579" data-end="1027800">The biopsy showed that there was a cancerous part of the tumor and her breast would need</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1027800" data-end="1028500">to be removed.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1029180" data-end="1033339">Luckily, her doctor was positive it hadn&#8217;t yet spread and she didn&#8217;t have to undergo</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1033339" data-end="1034740">a radical mastectomy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1035300" data-end="1039660">It was the standard procedure at that time where doctors would surgically remove a woman&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1039660" data-end="1042980">breasts, pectoral muscles, and underarm lymph nodes.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1043359" data-end="1044440">You couldn&#8217;t work out.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1044440" data-end="1047380">You couldn&#8217;t raise your arm if you didn&#8217;t have pectoral muscles.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1047700" data-end="1053720">And then some doctors up until the late 80s were still taking some rib cage that was not</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1053720" data-end="1055560">cancerous or some clavicle.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1055840" data-end="1059320">These women were completely debilitated for life.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1059520" data-end="1063420">It was Rose Kushner&#8217;s work that helped guide medicine in a different direction.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1063760" data-end="1070360">Without Rose, the one-step procedure was still approved by the National Institutes of Health,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1070360" data-end="1075440">as was the radical mastectomy, even though there were ways to tell that the cancer hadn&#8217;t</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1075440" data-end="1075780">spread.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 17:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1076300" data-end="1082280">Those were still best practices at the National Institutes of Health up until 1980.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1082760" data-end="1091400">It was because of a meeting at NIH that Rose went to that she had the opportunity to persuade</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1091400" data-end="1095900">doctors who&#8217;d already decided at that meeting, okay, we&#8217;re not doing the radical anymore.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1095900" data-end="1102880">She had the opportunity to say, there are many reasons why women need a minute to figure</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1102880" data-end="1104280">out what their next steps are.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1104640" data-end="1108880">Kushner, a journalist, was one of America&#8217;s most vocal breast cancer activists.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1109480" data-end="1113280">She openly criticized the medical community in newspapers and on TV.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1113880" data-end="1118020">She advocated for women to be an active participant in their medical care.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1118340" data-end="1122700">And to understand that the one-step radical mastectomy their doctors may try to push on</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1122700" data-end="1127300">them was an outdated procedure that had been rejected by physicians outside of America.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1128160" data-end="1133640">During the 1979 NIH Conference on Breast Cancer Treatment, she convinced the panel of physicians</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1133640" data-end="1137940">to stop the one-step procedure and separate biopsy from operation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 18:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1138720" data-end="1142540">Soon after, President Carter appointed her to the National Cancer Advisory Board.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:03"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1142700" data-end="1149160">And then with regard to Evelyn, the Breast Center at Memorial Sloan Kettering that bears</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1149160" data-end="1150760">her name is terrific.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1151320" data-end="1157420">Breast Cancer Research Foundation is terrific because they were one of the first organizations</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1157420" data-end="1164140">to be willing to fund really out-of-the-box ideas in battling breast cancer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1164540" data-end="1170020">The Evelyn H. Lauder Breast Center is continually promoting new prevention and diagnostic technologies,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1170440" data-end="1172920">less invasive surgery, and more targeted treatments.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1173440" data-end="1177740">Despite the center&#8217;s contributions to breast cancer research, Pearson believes Lauder&#8217;s</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1177740" data-end="1181500">greatest contribution to this community is how she was able to raise awareness.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1182000" data-end="1184680">And we toss that word around a lot these days.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1184880" data-end="1189940">But in 1993, there wasn&#8217;t a lot of awareness of breast cancer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1190140" data-end="1196300">Women were still afraid if they felt a lump, they were afraid to go see what it was because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1196300" data-end="1197200">it might be bad.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 19:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1197360" data-end="1201320">And so therefore, you know, by the time they did get to the doctor, it was too far down the road.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1201320" data-end="1207360">And so early detection, getting mammograms, those kinds of things, educating yourself,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1207980" data-end="1210540">those kinds of things are really important.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:11"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1210840" data-end="1216020">Cancer in general was something no one wanted to talk about, and many still falsely believed</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1216020" data-end="1217120">that it was contagious.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1217940" data-end="1222000">In fact, Pearson says many people would go as far as to hide their diagnosis because</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:22"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1222000" data-end="1224280">they didn&#8217;t want to be ostracized from their community.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1224620" data-end="1225580">You could be fired.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1225880" data-end="1228000">If you had health insurance, you could lose it.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1228060" data-end="1229140">You couldn&#8217;t join the military.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1229340" data-end="1230460">You couldn&#8217;t adopt children.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1230460" data-end="1233260">Childhood survivors couldn&#8217;t get roommates at college.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1233580" data-end="1238700">And if you were invited to someone&#8217;s house for a cocktail party, you might be served</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1238700" data-end="1242800">on paper plates with plastic silverware so that it could be disposed of.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1242980" data-end="1248620">Because even through a washing cycle, your cancer germs could be passed on to people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1248620" data-end="1249480">in that household.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1249700" data-end="1252560">I mean, it was it sounds really ridiculous now.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1253080" data-end="1257380">But when you think about it, all those things went well into the 80s.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 20:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1257380" data-end="1261680">Then specifically with breast cancer, Pearson says there was a lot of shame around losing</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1261680" data-end="1264580">your breasts and fear that their husbands would leave them.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:05"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1265060" data-end="1269480">This absence of conversation played a part in the lack of funding and research for breast cancer.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1270240" data-end="1273980">But when the AIDS movement shot to the top of public interest, Pearson says it began</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:14"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1273980" data-end="1277560">to raise questions as to why the same attention wasn&#8217;t given to breast cancer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:18"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1277900" data-end="1284440">Congress was appropriating millions and millions of dollars to research, all of it very important</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1284440" data-end="1285260">and very good.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1285260" data-end="1290920">But if you were trying to survive breast cancer at the time and you looked at that and you</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1290920" data-end="1296160">saw that the number of diagnoses between the two diseases were, you know, breast cancer</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1296160" data-end="1300160">was 100 fold more often diagnosed.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1300840" data-end="1307220">And yet the money dedicated to research was almost 100 fold in the opposite direction.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1307700" data-end="1314800">And so these women, Evelyn and other women who were at the ground floor of the breast</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1314800" data-end="1318940">cancer movement, looked at the AIDS movement and said, we have to stop being polite.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 21:59"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1319200" data-end="1320500">We can&#8217;t be polite anymore.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1321100" data-end="1326440">We need to shout and demand that our disease be looked at and funded as well.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1326960" data-end="1331820">And so using some of the same grassroots activism techniques as the AIDS movement, the National</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1331820" data-end="1336460">Breast Cancer Coalition and other groups successfully pushed for an increase in federal funding.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:17"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1336740" data-end="1341300">They were also instrumental in getting legislation passed for health coverage of mammograms.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1341300" data-end="1346280">Pearson chose to focus on these three women to highlight how just a few motivated people</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:26"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1346280" data-end="1348740">can create impactful and lasting change.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:29"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1349320" data-end="1352060">Her book, Radical Women, is now available for presale.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1352640" data-end="1356240">You can find more information about Judy Pearson and all of our guests on our website,</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:36"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1356480" data-end="1357680">RadioHealthJournal.org.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1358140" data-end="1362260">For more behind the scenes, follow Radio Health Journal on Facebook, Instagram and X.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:43"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1362800" data-end="1364600">Our writer-producer is Kristen Farrah.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1364860" data-end="1366620">Our production manager is Jason Dickey.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1367080" data-end="1367720">I&#8217;m Greg Johnson.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 22:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1377720" data-end="1380580">Radio Health Journal returns in just a moment.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1383560" data-end="1385940">Presenting, again, Fling&#8217;s love story.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1386520" data-end="1387820">Dear love of my life.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1388100" data-end="1392500">We were on the 12B bus this morning when I caught a whiff.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1393360" data-end="1398060">A scent so fresh, so life changing, I had to find its source.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:19"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1398620" data-end="1404060">Alas, I didn&#8217;t know if you were the woman in the pink freshly washed cardigan or the retired mailman next to me.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:24"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1404060" data-end="1406980">But I knew one of you was my soulmate.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1407580" data-end="1410100">Ah, the scent of game flings.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:31"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1410560" data-end="1413200">Try game flings with OxyBoost and Febreze.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:33"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1413460" data-end="1417580">Progressive knows if you have to choose between everyday life and your RV, RV wins.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1417960" data-end="1421100">Are you going to take the RV to the mountains or go pick up your dry cleaning?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:41"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1421260" data-end="1422280">RV wins!</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1422400" data-end="1424800">Are we cleaning the gutters or taking the RV camping?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:45"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1425000" data-end="1425920">RV wins!</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1426020" data-end="1428200">Are we getting a new passport or cruising up the coast?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1428320" data-end="1429320">RV wins!</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:49"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1429460" data-end="1431400">Don&#8217;t forget, you got that trip to Sweden coming up.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:52"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1431520" data-end="1433240">Oh yeah, passport, then RV.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:54"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1434020" data-end="1437820">With Progressive, you can bundle your RV with your home or auto and save with a discount</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 23:58"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1437820" data-end="1440300">and spend more time enjoying those savings in your RV.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:01"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1440760" data-end="1443360">Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and other insurers not available in all states and situations.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:04"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1443600" data-end="1448200">Summer&#8217;s here, get ready for backyard barbecues, trips to the pool and COVID-19?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1448480" data-end="1452840">That&#8217;s right, COVID isn&#8217;t taken this summer off and can actually spread year round.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1453120" data-end="1459440">I am Dr. Simone Wiles and as an infectious disease expert, I know this fact surprises a lot of my patients.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1459640" data-end="1463060">The good news is options exist to help treat the COVID virus.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:23"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1463060" data-end="1467860">Talk to your doctor about whether prescription medication for COVID may be right for you.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1468080" data-end="1471920">Learn more at PfizerForAll.com slash COVID-19.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1472180" data-end="1473920">This message is sponsored by Pfizer.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1474280" data-end="1476740">Whoa, it&#8217;s you, the Capital One bank guy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:37"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1476880" data-end="1477920">That&#8217;s what they call me.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1478100" data-end="1479180">Mind if I get a selfie?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:39"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1479460" data-end="1480220">Yeah, sure thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1480400" data-end="1483580">Say no fees or minimums on your Capital One checking account.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1484180" data-end="1485240">Wow, that&#8217;s a keeper.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:46"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1485900" data-end="1487320">So, where are you heading?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1487500" data-end="1492720">I&#8217;m off to spread the good news that Capital One helps people keep more money in their wallet with no overdraft fees.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1492720" data-end="1494760">You&#8217;re the best Capital One bank guy.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:55"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1494900" data-end="1496240">Hey, mind if I get a selfie?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1496500" data-end="1496920">Sure.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 24:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1497280" data-end="1500040">Say, Capital One, what&#8217;s in your wallet?</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1500240" data-end="1503780">Terms apply. See CapitalOne.com slash bank for details. Capital One and a member FDIC.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:07"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1506960" data-end="1508620">Medical Notes this week.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:09"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1509220" data-end="1511900">Toothpaste may be the cause of your child&#8217;s allergies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1512620" data-end="1520100">An antimicrobial chemical called triclosan has been a staple ingredient in everyday products like mouthwash and clothing for decades.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:20"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1520100" data-end="1526340">While its purpose is to reduce bacterial growth, research suggests it may make matters worse.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:27"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1526880" data-end="1537140">In fact, a study in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives reveals that kids with more exposure to this chemical are more likely to develop eczema and other allergies.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1538180" data-end="1540900">A new player in the fight against forever chemicals.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1541740" data-end="1549600">New research in the journal Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology reveals that these substances may be able to be flushed from our system.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:50"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1549600" data-end="1555760">Scientists believe taking a fiber supplement with meals can reduce your levels of forever chemicals.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 25:57"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1556540" data-end="1561440">The supplement acts as a magnet and draws the chemicals out with it as it exits your body.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:02"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1562240" data-end="1565680">And finally, an apple a day may help you sleep better.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1566320" data-end="1569060">Sleep deprivation can be detrimental to your health.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:10"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1569640" data-end="1575740">Thankfully, eating more fruits and veggies during the day may be the easiest way to make sure you get your beauty rest.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:16"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1575740" data-end="1579980">Just five cups a day has been linked to a 16 percent improvement.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1580760" data-end="1584760">The research is published in Sleep Health, the journal of the National Sleep Foundation.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:25"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1585280" data-end="1587220">And that&#8217;s Medical Notes this week.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:28"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1587640" data-end="1589180">I&#8217;m Mayan Vos-Tibetancourt.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1589580" data-end="1590180">Febreze.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:30"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1590320" data-end="1594060">As a rideshare driver, I love keeping my car smelling fresh and clean.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:34"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1594340" data-end="1599680">So when I&#8217;m driving, I only trust Febreze Car Vent Clips, featuring three distinct intensity settings.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:40"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1599900" data-end="1601800">Because it&#8217;s that little touch that sets me apart.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:42"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1601800" data-end="1607180">I can turn the intensity down for subtle freshness, or I can turn it up for when I want lots of scent.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:47"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1607360" data-end="1612500">So whether it&#8217;s set to low, medium, or high, with Febreze Car, I know my car&#8217;s going to smell amazing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:53"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1613040" data-end="1615800">Which keeps my driver rating right where it belongs.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 26:56"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1616160" data-end="1617520">Picking up! Oscar!</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1619720" data-end="1625240">Hi, I&#8217;m Maria, salon owner.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:00"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1619720" data-end="1625240">You know the jingle.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:06"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1625520" data-end="1628160">Now discover the facts about Ozempic, a GLP-1.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:08"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1628160" data-end="1631660">There&#8217;s only one FDA-approved Ozempic, made by Novo Nordisk.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:12"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1631860" data-end="1633060">Learn about the real thing.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:13"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1633360" data-end="1635040">Talk to your healthcare professional today.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:15"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1635320" data-end="1640320">Call 1-833-OZEMPIC or visit ozempic.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about Ozempic.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:21"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1640680" data-end="1643720">Semaglutide injections 0.5, 1, and 2 milligrams.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:32"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1652010" data-end="1657090">Thank you for joining us this week, and every week, as we break down the science stories you need to know.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:38"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1657530" data-end="1664030">You can find all of our past segments and guests on our website, radiohealthjournal.org, or wherever you listen to podcasts.</span></span></p><div class="mt-4"> </div><p><span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:44"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1664030" data-end="1667250">Follow us on Instagram, Facebook, and X for daily content.</span></span> <span class="cursor-pointer group" title="Play starting at 27:48"><span class="group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5" data-start="1667650" data-end="1670810">And tune in next week for another edition of Radio Health Journal.</span></span></p>								</div>
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		<title>Radio Health Journal: Segment 1: Facing Dementia: Early Detection And Advancements In Treatment</title>
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									<h2>You&#8217;re listening to Radio Health Journal, the trusted news source for medicine, science and<br />technology. I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield. I&#8217;m Mayan Vastabetancourt.</h2><p><br />And I&#8217;m Greg Johnson. This week, how can we reduce severe injury in young athletes? Kiddos<br />are seeing injuries because of more repetitive actions and higher risk motions that they&#8217;re just<br />doing again and again and again, as opposed to having the opportunity to diversify. But first,<br />everything you need to know about dementia.<br />There are many, many studies that show correlations between more exercise, less dementia. I<br />would say doing crossword puzzles in Sudoku, probably not. All that and more this week on<br />Radio Health Journal.<br />Summer&#8217;s here. Get ready for backyard barbecues, trips to the pool and COVID-19? That&#8217;s right.<br />COVID isn&#8217;t taken this summer off and can actually spread year round.<br />I&#8217;m Dr. Simone Wiles, and as an infectious disease expert, I know my patients are often<br />surprised by this fact. They don&#8217;t expect COVID to strike in the summer and derail their plans,<br />but guess what? It can. COVID can be unpredictable and quickly turn serious, especially for<br />those who are 50 plus or have certain underlying medical conditions.<br />The good news is, is that if you start feeling sick or test positive, you don&#8217;t need to wait it out.<br />Prescription medications exist to treat COVID for certain people. If you catch COVID this<br />summer, don&#8217;t delay.<br />Ask your doctor if prescription medication is right for you. Learn more at PfizerForAll.com slash<br />COVID-19. This message is sponsored by Pfizer.<br />When we&#8217;re young, the idea of monsters under our beds is the biggest fear we can imagine.<br />But as many of us age, that fear begins to take a different shape. One that we can&#8217;t fight with<br />our fists.<br />One that&#8217;s wrapped up in deceptively calm words delivered by a white coat in a sterile room.<br />Dementia. It&#8217;s this fear that drives many people to keep their heads in the sand, pushing<br />forward with life as normal and ignoring their diagnosis.<br />Dr. Peter Rabins, Professor Emeritus in the Departments of Psychiatry and Medicine at the<br />Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, says since so many different diseases can cause dementia,<br />it&#8217;s important to parse out which one is the culprit to get the best treatment. Because there is<br />treatment. Somewhere around one or two percent of people who have dementia have a totally<br />treatable disease.<br />For example, low thyroid, very low vitamin B12. There are a number of medical treatable<br />diseases that have dementia as one of their symptoms, particularly if they go on long enough.<br />So having a thorough evaluation is important.<br />Rabins is the author of Is It Alzheimer&#8217;s? 101 Answers to Your Most Pressing Questions About<br />Memory Loss and Dementia, Second Edition. His mission is to inform and empower both<br />patients and caregivers to optimize their quality of life, no matter which state of the disease<br />progression they&#8217;re dealing with. Which is why Rabins believes it&#8217;s so important for patients to<br />fully understand their condition, even if they&#8217;re not part of the small percentage with a curable<br />condition.<br />When we get a more specific diagnosis, that tells us something about the here and now, what<br />are the problems the person&#8217;s having, but also what&#8217;s likely to happen in the future. And also<br />about what might help the person function better and have a better quality of life. I mean, I will<br />say that many of, if you put aside the biological treatments, many of the principles of care are<br />the same, whether it&#8217;s Alzheimer&#8217;s or Parkinson&#8217;s dementia or Lewy body dementia.<br />But having a specific diagnosis can help. While each disease provides its own challenges, Rabins<br />says the goal is always to maximize the person&#8217;s quality of life. This looks different as the<br />condition progresses, but big impacts can be made even when someone&#8217;s in the more<br />advanced stages.<br />Pain, for example, is hard to notice in dementia patients, so being aware of the signs can make<br />a world of difference for these people. Many people lose the ability to speak or to use language,<br />so they can&#8217;t say, I&#8217;m in pain. Now, they may be crying or when you touch them, they may<br />cringe.<br />So there are markers that somebody is in pain, but you have to be looking for it. And someone<br />who can&#8217;t tell you it hurts. And of course, if you have a memory problem, even if you can speak,<br />you may not remember that a half an hour ago you were in a lot of pain and for some reason<br />things are better now.<br />So that&#8217;s a big one. It does appear that treating depression when people are severely ill, that<br />can help some people. Keeping people maximally functional from a physical therapy point of<br />view seems to be associated with a better quality of life, even an advanced disease.<br />Learning what triggers someone to be upset can help avoid these unpleasant situations<br />altogether. And once you get to know somebody, even at the late stage of the disease, you<br />learn what triggers them, or you see that they&#8217;re starting to get upset, stop doing it, even if it&#8217;s<br />quote, to help them. So there are lots of care things like that, that you can do that also improve<br />quality of life, even at the end of the disease.<br />And we treat sick people somewhat differently than we do, whether it&#8217;s cancer or heart disease<br />or dementia. But understanding that the person has a disease that affects their thinking, I think<br />is important Because then you start using common sense and trial and error. So if there are<br />problems, how do you solve those? And when you do that, you make life better for everybody.<br />And though a majority of cases are not curable, Rabin says there are some exciting<br />advancements that have come out in the last few years. The first are blood tests that physicians<br />will be able to use to diagnose patients in addition to the brain scans that are currently used.<br />That&#8217;s a huge advance, partly because when doctors could only diagnose by symptoms, we<br />were wrong from 10 to 30 percent of the time.<br />And whether it was Alzheimer&#8217;s disease or some other cause of dementia. Though they are<br />currently made for people with Alzheimer&#8217;s disease, Rabin&#8217;s believes that the same strategies<br />will soon be able to diagnose other conditions as well. Along with the blood tests, there have<br />been two medications approved to treat the disease, but they aren&#8217;t yet able to make a<br />dramatic difference.<br />Currently, patients taking these drugs see about a 7 percent improvement. And though it&#8217;s a<br />modest change, Rabin says for these people and their families, it&#8217;s a noticeable difference. It&#8217;s<br />as if we&#8217;re at the dawn of a treatment era.<br />I like to think of it compared to cancer treatment. This is like 1960 when we were just starting to<br />have medicines that help people live a little bit longer. So we need to have lots of progress and<br />not better medicines, but probably different kinds of medicine.<br />In other words, medicines that work differently. And you know, it took a long time to figure out<br />in cancer. For many cancers, you need three or four medicines.<br />And somehow that combination is much better than any one alone. So it may be a combination<br />of these medicines and other new ones that target different aspects of the disease. So it&#8217;s a<br />start.<br />While we wait for these breakthroughs in drug development, there are other ways for people to<br />increase their quality of life when living with dementia. The first is getting an early diagnosis.<br />You may be wondering how to tell the difference between dementia and age-related memory<br />issues, but Rabin says it&#8217;s a much more clear drop-off than most assume.<br />For example, when given a list of words, a healthy young person can remember about one<br />extra word than a healthy 70-year-old. Not a huge difference, right? If you were to give that list<br />to somebody with mild Alzheimer&#8217;s disease, maybe they&#8217;d get three. So it&#8217;s a big difference.<br />And sort of related to that, let&#8217;s say there&#8217;s somebody who&#8217;s getting married this coming<br />weekend and I forget about it and I&#8217;m reminded, a normal aging person is most likely to<br />remember that. A person with Alzheimer&#8217;s disease is most likely not to remember it because it&#8217;s<br />learning new information that gets impaired first. So do you have a doctor&#8217;s appointment? Are<br />you going out to dinner tonight with somebody? Those are the kinds of things in people with<br />Alzheimer&#8217;s disease that become impaired.<br />And so it is pretty noticeable. When looking for the signs of dementia, either in yourself or a<br />loved one, it&#8217;s important to have a full picture of the risk factors. Unfortunately, the biggest one<br />is something none of us can outrun, age.<br />Still, that doesn&#8217;t mean that everyone will develop dementia as they get older. Let&#8217;s say at age<br />80, somewhere around 20% of people have dementia. 20, maybe 30.<br />Some people say 30. So that still means that at age 80, 70 or 80% of people are normal in their<br />thinking. So I think it&#8217;s important to keep that in mind, that it doesn&#8217;t appear to be inevitable<br />that you&#8217;ll develop it.<br />The second biggest risk factor is high blood pressure. And what&#8217;s really important is high blood<br />pressure in midlife. So people who are listening and who are 40, 50, maybe 60 and have high<br />blood pressure, it&#8217;s really important that you get that treated as well as you can.<br />Rabin says the connection between high blood pressure and dementia later in life isn&#8217;t well<br />understood. But the leading theory is that it damages blood vessels in the brain and increases<br />the risk of stroke. There are a number of other risk factors that aren&#8217;t anywhere near as<br />powerful, but it clear that there&#8217;s a good correlation between exercising more and being<br />socially more active and having a lower risk of developing Alzheimer&#8217;s disease.<br />It&#8217;s really hard to prove cause and effect. You&#8217;d have to tell a group of people, don&#8217;t exercise for<br />the next 20 years. And another group of people, you have to exercise.<br />Forget it. We&#8217;re never going to do that. But there are many, many studies that show<br />correlations between more exercise, less dementia, more social activity, less dementia.<br />I would say doing crossword puzzles in Sudoku, probably not. If that statement was a shock,<br />you&#8217;re not alone. Society has long held puzzle games as the gold standard for staying mentally<br />sharp.<br />And while Rabin&#8217;s agrees that these challenges can be helpful, there&#8217;s no magic injected into<br />these specific games. In fact, he says the best activity you can do for your brain is simply one<br />that you enjoy doing. It&#8217;s much better to find something else mentally stimulating that you<br />enjoy.<br />Reading or being in a discussion group or arguing with people or playing sports or, you know,<br />thinking about what&#8217;s new in football and different plays and all that. I think it&#8217;s finding<br />something that people find mentally engaging, whatever that is. And to think that, well, if I just<br />do crossword puzzles or just do Sudoku, that&#8217;s going to be it.<br />Again, you&#8217;re probably not going to continue because you have to do this for years if it&#8217;s going<br />to have a prevention. And as Rabin&#8217;s mentioned earlier, consistent physical activity like walking<br />has been shown to be protective against dementia. I think there&#8217;s strong agreement that more<br />exercise in general is protective.<br />And then there&#8217;s some other things just for prevention. I think we should say that there&#8217;s at<br />least a suggestion that if you have hearing impairment, getting that treated might help,<br />especially if you have other risk factors like heart disease might help prevent dementia. There&#8217;s<br />something about physical, about exercising that affects the brain.<br />Well, in a sense, hearing and comprehending what you&#8217;re hearing, that&#8217;s exercising that part of<br />the brain. Same thing with vision. So it&#8217;s a two-way street between the inside the body affecting<br />what&#8217;s outside and outside inside.<br />While many discussions around Alzheimer&#8217;s and dementia center around the patient, Rabin&#8217;s<br />book dedicates the last two chapters to caregivers. In fact, he argues that every chapter was<br />written with caregivers in mind. We wrote the first edition of the book in 1981.<br />So that was a time when most people had never heard of Alzheimer&#8217;s disease, and I include<br />doctors and nurses in that most people. But more importantly then was that even though we<br />don&#8217;t have biological treatments, there are lots of things that we can do to make life better,<br />both for the person and whoever is caring for them. And throughout the disease, most people<br />live at home with another person.<br />So we wanted to target caregivers and caregiving because we really believe that if people were<br />informed about what to do and how to do it, they had a better chance of helping the ill person.<br />This conversation has touched on the importance of increasing the patient&#8217;s quality of life,<br />however possible. And Rabin says the same is true for caregivers.<br />They often are giving so much of themselves that their own needs are neglected. It&#8217;s<br />distressing for most people to be a caregiver, not everybody, but for most people. And that<br />means don&#8217;t shut yourself off from your friends and family and other loved ones.<br />You need to keep active and busy and stimulated, even if you feel like you&#8217;re the best caregiver<br />for your loved one. And often that&#8217;s the truth. And don&#8217;t neglect your health.<br />Make sure that you keep up your medical appointments and whatever you need to do to keep<br />your own health up. I think it&#8217;s easy for that to get lost when you&#8217;re spending a lot of time<br />caring for somebody else. These are some of the things that people can do.<br />Rabin goes into even more detail in his book, Is It Alzheimer&#8217;s?, which is available now wherever<br />books are sold. You can find more information about Dr. Peter Rabin and all of our guests on<br />our website, RadioHealthJournal.org. For more behind the scenes, follow RadioHealth Journal<br />on Facebook, Instagram, and X. Our writer producer is Kristin Ferra. Our executive producer is<br />Amira Zaveri.<br />I&#8217;m Elizabeth Westfield. Coming up, have sports become too specialized? When RadioHealth<br />Journal returns. It&#8217;s a classic odor tale.<br />You fried fish for dinner, cleaned up, but the smell is still in the house. And the neighbors are<br />coming over for game night. They&#8217;re on their way.<br />And then you spray Febreze Air Mist. Febreze Air starts working instantly to fight even your<br />toughest odors. So you go from fish to fresh like that.<br />Now all you have to worry about is Pam cheating at charades. How many sports did you play<br />growing up? For many kids, it&#8217;s common to try as many as possible to figure out which ones<br />they like best. Often this looks like swimming in the summer, soccer in the fall, basketball in<br />winter, and track and field in the spring.<br />This type of varied routine exposes kids to many different activities, exercise and team<br />dynamics. However, as athletics have evolved into a lucrative opportunity for the top players,<br />more and more kids are choosing to put all their focus on one sport. And so I think definitely<br />over the last 10 or 15 years, as we&#8217;ve seen the growth of these mega clubs that are able to play<br />11 months out of the year and travel the country and compete and play against each other, that<br />it&#8217;s definitely grown.<br />And even some of the other institutions that allow kids to come and train for an extended<br />period of time. And so I would say definitely over the last 15 years, we&#8217;ve seen exponential<br />growth in that situation. That&#8217;s Nathan Fitton, a team physician for Michigan State University<br />Athletics and associate professor at Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine.<br />He and a team of researchers recently released a paper in the Clinical Journal of Sport Medicine.<br />Their investigation tracked how this shift into hyper specialization has impacted the health of<br />athletes. As someone who&#8217;s in his 40s growing up, you didn&#8217;t have the opportunity to play one<br />sport year round.<br />It just wasn&#8217;t there. And so by default, we ended up playing, you know, three seasons, three<br />sports. But as we&#8217;ve seen the evolution of club sports and year round sports, I would say from<br />an injury perspective, we&#8217;re seeing kind of what&#8217;s consistent with this study in the sense that<br />kiddos are seeing injuries because of more repetitive actions and higher risk motions that<br />they&#8217;re just doing again and again and again, as opposed to having the opportunity to diversify.<br />The research team surveyed more than 200 student athletes playing at the collegiate level. We<br />looked at division one, division two and division three athletes, and we asked them three simple<br />questions. Did they focus on one sport in high school? Did they quit other sports to do it? And<br />did they train in that sport greater than eight months out of the year? And based on their<br />answers, we grouped them into low, moderate and high specialization.<br />The more yes answers, the more specialized they were. And so what we found for the kiddos<br />that answered yes to all three of those is that there was a clear pattern between these highly<br />specialized athletes and increased injury risk that was not due to chance or other external<br />elements. We found that kiddos that were highly specialized were five times more likely to have<br />sustained an injury than the low specialization, and they had tripled the risk of needing surgery<br />to correct that injury.<br />Then when they looked at overall recovery times, the team found that the athletes who were<br />highly specialized reported needing 30 more days of recovery than the other groups. Despite<br />the longer downtime, these athletes were also at a higher risk of re-injury when they were<br />finally able to return to their sport. By analyzing the recovery time, the research team was able<br />to capture how the rate of serious injuries fluctuated between the three groups.<br />And so for the low and moderate specialization, the average recovery days was just over two<br />months. In the highly specialized, it was approaching almost four months. And so that would<br />tell you that the injuries that were brought up or that they were reported were more significant<br />and severe injuries.<br />So maybe they were, you know, a significant joint sprain or a significant muscle sprain or tear<br />or something that needed surgery. Each athlete&#8217;s recovery times were reported based on how<br />long it took before they were able to return to their sport. That may mean being a practice-only<br />player or being able to fully compete in matches.<br />But if focusing all your efforts on one sport dramatically increases your chances of serious<br />injury, why aren&#8217;t we seeing the same trends when we move the scope from high school to the<br />professional level? I can&#8217;t speak for certainty, but I definitely know that in that professional<br />level, they&#8217;re getting a variety of exposed experiences to help with this, right? And so it&#8217;s the<br />awareness that they need to diversify. But at the same time, they&#8217;re not growing anymore. And<br />so there&#8217;s that factor that comes into all of this as well, is that as in our adolescence, we&#8217;re still<br />growing.<br />There&#8217;s still, you know, bones are not as strong as muscles. So there&#8217;s that type of injury pattern<br />versus as we age and our growth is over with. So it&#8217;s a little bit of a different injury pattern and<br />injury risk we would potentially see.<br />Athletes going through puberty are more likely to develop growth-related overuse injuries. In<br />kids, bones grow faster than muscle, which makes them more vulnerable to muscle and tendon<br />damage. And sadly for some athletes, one injury may be the first of many.<br />A 2020 study published in the journal Sports Health assessed the risk of re-injury for athletes<br />under 20 years old. It found that of those returning to sport after ACL reconstruction, one in<br />five would suffer another tear in either knee. Fitton hopes that since these findings are out<br />there, athletes will be more intentional about diversifying their activities.<br />What we&#8217;re trying to get out there is that just one season off dramatically reduces injury risk<br />and surgical risk for those particular injuries. So our goal with this is just to bring forth that<br />highly specialization is dangerous to student athletes, but it is not far off or difficult to lower<br />your risk through a shift of just about three months. If you can get that three months to do<br />something different, to enhance other skills, to take a break, to take just a mental break, to<br />allow yourself to explore other things and then come back to your sport, you&#8217;re going to<br />dramatically reduce the risk of injury and potential need for surgery.<br />In fact, the group of athletes that had low specialization and were part of multiple activities<br />throughout the year showed such low rates of injury that a majority of the respondents had<br />never had an injury. Whereas in the highly specialized, over 75% of those kiddos had a<br />substantial injury. And so you can see how it escalates as you would imagine, but these are still<br />all college athletes, right? So what we&#8217;re trying to get away from is, well, they&#8217;re low specialized,<br />so they can&#8217;t work as hard.<br />They must not be as talented. No, we don&#8217;t see that. We don&#8217;t see hours spent in per week<br />training when they&#8217;re in season different from side to side, from high to low.<br />Rather, they all commit when they&#8217;re in that sport. It&#8217;s just the low specialization goes on to<br />different sports and does different things. And so I would say that the one sentence takeaway<br />from this is find a sport you&#8217;re passionate about.<br />That&#8217;s fine, but try to take one season off to see a significant reduction in your risk of injury and<br />potential need for surgery to correct that injury. High school and youth sports programs can<br />also use this information to inform their training protocols. You can find more information<br />about Nathan Fitton and all of our guests on our website, RadioHealthJournal.org. 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